Okay, had a look through a nice new shiney Pathfinder book for the answer but no joy.
Question: Bob the Fighter is fighting an ogre and the parties thief, sorry, rogue has taken up a flanking position. Now Mr Rogue has taken a few steps back and readied his bow and Bob II has taken up the flanking position with the rogue immediatly behind, ie. B O BII R.
Does the rogue still get the flanking bonus and sneak attack against the ogre?
Thanks in advance.
Can't flank with ranged weapons.
Other than that:
You must have a line through opposite sides of a monster in order to flank it, corner squares count on both sides.
Can't flank with ranged weapons.
Other than that:
You must have a line through opposite sides of a monster in order to flank it, corner squares count on both sides.
So no sneak attack then?
He has readied a bow... a bow is a ranged weapon so he doesn't flank, he hasn't surprised the enemy, and the enemy is not flat footed so no, no sneak attack.
If he had a reach weapon and he threatened the enemy then he would be flanking and would get sneak attack (with the understanding he had only moved back 5 feet, and is a medium or small creature).
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So no sneak attack then?Can't flank with ranged weapons.
Other than that:
You must have a line through opposite sides of a monster in order to flank it, corner squares count on both sides.
No sneak attack under these conditions; you *can* sneak attack with ranged weapons (within 30 ft. range), though, if the opponent loses his Dex bonus to AC.
He has the right of it. Currently there are three ways to sneak attack an opponent with a ranged weapon:
1. Act before him in the first round of combat (opponents are flat footed until the first time they act unless they have uncanny dodge).
2. Be undetected by the opponent (either by invisibility, stealth, or some similar means).
3. Cause the opponent to be flat footed during combat (either by paralysis, stunning, or other means of basically rendering him helpless).
Number 2 is the most common method to sneak attack with a ranged weapon, and is most frequently done with either Hide in Plain Sight for 1 sneak attack a round, or Greater Invisibility for a full attack each round (provided the enemy can't see invisible foes).
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I would ammend Master Spalding's 3rd option for gaining the ability to perform a Sneak Attack by inserting use of the Feint combat maneuver.
I would also say that either #1 of his list, or use of the Feint maneuver is the most common method I have seen.
Greater Invisibility is great, but few rogues I have seen make provisions for this spell to be used (sadly)
Heck, use of Feint is even a good way to get a Sneak Attack while in melee and in positions where flanking is not possible or with oblivious fellow adventurers.
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I would ammend Master Spalding's 3rd option for gaining the ability to perform a Sneak Attack by inserting use of the Feint combat maneuver.
I would also say that either #1 of his list, or use of the Feint maneuver is the most common method I have seen.
Greater Invisibility is great, but few rogues I have seen make provisions for this spell to be used (sadly)Heck, use of Feint is even a good way to get a Sneak Attack while in melee and in positions where flanking is not possible or with oblivious fellow adventurers.
Master Spalding list is for sneak attack with ranged weapons. Feinting can only be used with melee attacks.
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Threatened Squares: You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn.
Flanking: When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.
So, no. Bows/Missile Weapons do not threaten, therefore you cannot use some one using a bow to develop or utilize a "Flanking" situation (+2 to hit, possible SA), nor can a bow user take advantage of flanking.
As far as I remember, there were one or two Prestige Classes in 3.x that allowed flanking or threatening with a bow. Peerless Archer from the Forgotten Realms "Silver Marches" book comes to mind.
GNOME
Did that feat 'gang up' or some such allow you to 'flank' a creature as long as your allies had it flanked?Yeah, but you still aren't considered flanking with a ranged weapon. Its in the faq
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Flanking: When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.
This word, Melee, it keeps popping up. You cannot Flank with a Missile Weapon unless you have an explicit (class ability, DM fiat, Feat...) ability to do so.
I hope that helps clear up any further confusion.
GNOME