The races will receive the following adjustments:
Half-elves
- loose multi-talented ability
Humans
- gain multi-talented ability (varied / multi-talented -- this is supposed to be the benefit of being a human so it only seems appropriate that they have this ability. Half-elves are a little over stat'd already.)
Half-orcs
- gain +2 Str and -2 Cha. They also gain the +2 to one ability score of their choice, however this can not be to Str. (It can be to Cha).
biased half orc luvers nerfing half elves.... for shame.
give the half orc +2 STR -2 CHA and a free toughness feat (goblins are an overall stat bonus of +0 so why not half orcs)
Actually I was about to post this pretty much word for word, so ... I agree.
There is another suggestion floating around for Half-orcs made by a Mr. Morris. It goes +2 STR, -2 INT, and a floating +2 that cannot go into STR.
Just my 2 cp.
There is another suggestion floating around for Half-orcs made by a Mr. Morris. It goes +2 STR, -2 INT, and a floating +2 that cannot go into STR.
Just my 2 cp.
Yeah, I find the penalty to intelligence far more appropriate than the penalty to charisma. Charisma is your force of personality, and intelligence is your comprehension level. Half-Orcs might be on the ugly side, but they strike me as REALLY forceful if they choose to be.
I really wish people would stop associating charisma with comeliness. I mean, jeez, Hags have ridiculous charisma scores, and they're even described as ugly beyond reason.
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There is another suggestion floating around for Half-orcs made by a Mr. Morris. It goes +2 STR, -2 INT, and a floating +2 that cannot go into STR.
Just my 2 cp.
Actually my idea can put it into strength but that's because I find INT has more value. Even for barbarians, that -2 INT is partially balanced out by favoured class, but still hurts for the skill starved.
Let me crunch math.
15 point Pathfinder half orc barbarian. Also works as My 'Takes after mommy' barbarian
S:15(17) D:13 C:14 I:12 W:10 Ch: 8
15 point silverhair barbarian.
S:15(17) D:13(15) C:14 I:12(10) W:10 Ch:8 Hits as hard, but a skill or HP short. Also harder to hit.
15 point Matthew's 'takes after daddy' barbarian
S:15(19) D:13 C:14 I:12(10) W:10 Ch:8 Hits a lot harder, but gets hit more often.
In fact, if you swap Wisdom for Intelligence you get a +1 on will saves but lose another skill point. I don't see it as too unbalanced.
I can't weigh in much on the Half-Orc, but I will say that the "Multi Taleted" ability should be scrapped. Perhaps allow it as a feat.
Otherwise, it seems to take the half-elf over the top.
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I can't weigh in much on the Half-Orc, but I will say that the "Multi Taleted" ability should be scrapped. Perhaps allow it as a feat.
Otherwise, it seems to take the half-elf over the top.
Kinda one of those deals where any one who multi-classes will be hard pressed to go with anything BUT Half-elf.
Kinda one of those deals where any one who multi-classes will be hard pressed to go with anything BUT Half-elf.
Precisely.
Kinda one of those deals where any one who multi-classes will be hard pressed to go with anything BUT Half-elf.I can't weigh in much on the Half-Orc, but I will say that the "Multi Taleted" ability should be scrapped. Perhaps allow it as a feat.
Otherwise, it seems to take the half-elf over the top.
Yep, I'm still confused why they didn't give it to the human in the very least. I am certain though that there will be more players playing half-elves than humans now.
I'm planning on doing the +2 STR, -2 INT, +2 any stat other than STR for the half-orcs in my campaign, too, actually.
As for half elves, I think I may just drop Multitalented, if only because I'm planning on giving them the Naturally Psionic trait to go with the Pathfinder flavor for them. Probably a more limited version than what I give to my campaign setting's gnomes, but still...
Hi all :)
Having read another thread about the "underpowered human" i was thinking about a little bit of race tweaking. I'm thinking to houserule back the favoured class feature.
Dwarf, elf, gnome and halfling will get a choice between the two classes from beta, the half elf will retain the Multitalented feature (I really like the 2Ed flavour about this) while the human will gain the Ambitious* trait (+1 Hp and Sp for one class). For the half orc, I have no idea.
Do you think it's unbalancing/broken somehow? Advice is gladly accepted.
(Sorry if my english is not good, it's not my first language)
*credit to Peter Stewart
Hi all :)
Having read another thread about the "underpowered human" i was thinking about a little bit of race tweaking. I'm thinking to houserule back the favoured class feature.
Dwarf, elf, gnome and halfling will get a choice between the two classes from beta, the half elf will retain the Multitalented feature (I really like the 2Ed flavour about this) while the human will gain the Ambitious* trait (+1 Hp and Sp for one class). For the half orc, I have no idea.
Do you think it's unbalancing/broken somehow? Advice is gladly accepted.
(Sorry if my english is not good, it's not my first language)*credit to Peter Stewart
I will also be house-ruling favored class back to Beta. I thought Paizo did a good job with giving each race 2 favored classes -- and the choices were all quite logical.