Well techniclly one season. I think all the episodes for the first season are done shooting.GAME OF THRONES renewed for a second season.
The first episode did the job. They now have two seasons to iron out the problems and get things ticking along more strongly.
Yup, they finished filming in December. However, the show has from now until midway through Season 2 to keep up the ratings and for the writers to sort out whatever issues they have (and they probably did that during Season 1 anyway, just through experience and learning the character voices and the actor interpretations as they went), which is something they'd be doing anyway as part of the natural evolution of the show.
What base class would Eddard Stark be in Pathfinder? Jaime?
In the excellent d20 GoT RPG (don't have the newer Green Ronin one), Jaime Lannister is Level 14 (Man-at-Arms 1/Noble 3/Knight 3/Kingsguard 7), whilst Eddard is the same (Man-at-Arms 3/Noble 5/Commander 6). Obviously that's referring to the classes and prestige classes from the GoT game, though. What they'd be in Pathfinder I don't know.
Shoehorning fictional characters into a rules system not made for them is really off putting to some of us.
While some of us recognize that "adapting" any character to a rpg is just that, an adaptation. By the very nature of rpgs in general and the specific type of fantasy used in Pathfinder, it will be an imperfect adaptation.
Despite this, we gamers (including Paizo staff) seem to continually look for inspiration outside of the game itself, so it's going to happen.
I'm cool with taking it to another thread. However, if "shoehorning" is that off-putting to you, prepare to be disappointed. These are the forums of a RPG company frequented by fans of that company's RPG after all. Just sayin'.
Shoehorning fictional characters into a rules system not made for them is really off putting to some of us.While some of us recognize that "adapting" any character to a rpg is just that, an adaptation. By the very nature of rpgs in general and the specific type of fantasy used in Pathfinder, it will be an imperfect adaptation.
Despite this, we gamers (including Paizo staff) seem to continually look for inspiration outside of the game itself, so it's going to happen.
I'm cool with taking it to another thread. However, if "shoehorning" is that off-putting to you, prepare to be disappointed. These are the forums of a RPG company frequented by fans of that company's RPG after all. Just sayin'.
Not disappointed at all. I know it takes place and I even participate on rare occasions. My point was more that this thread isn't really the place for it.
Thanks.
Wewt just got HBO fer free.
I'll be watchin this...
I've begun an internal debate as to whether I should now go ahead and start reading the books, or perhaps wait to see if they ever get finished. I've heard that is one of the worries of some fans.
I'm not sure if it's 'a worry' or not. The way I think about it is that if GRRM got hit by a meteor tomorrow and the story never finished, would I regret having started reading the books? No, because what we have already is (mostly) awesome, and not having an ending wouldn't invalidate that (though, as people have occasionally said, getting an ending that sucks might very well invalidate it).
So I'd go for it. And bear in mind that Book 3 has a somewhat acceptable 'waiting room' ending. The story isn't finished, but there's also no major cliffhanger than needs immediate resolution. I actually know people who read Book 3 ten years ago and refused to pick up Book 4 because they heard about its cliffhangers and are now looking forward to reading Books 4 and 5 back-to-back. They have more patience than me :-)
I've begun an internal debate as to whether I should now go ahead and start reading the books, or perhaps wait to see if they ever get finished. I've heard that is one of the worries of some fans.I'm not sure if it's 'a worry' or not. The way I think about it is that if GRRM got hit by a meteor tomorrow and the story never finished, would I regret having started reading the books? No, because what we have already is (mostly) awesome, and not having an ending wouldn't invalidate that (though, as people have occasionally said, getting an ending that sucks might very well invalidate it).
Indeed. I'm looking forward to the next book, but the world would not come crashing down if all I ever got to enjoy is what has come before. They are good.
I've begun an internal debate as to whether I should now go ahead and start reading the books, or perhaps wait to see if they ever get finished. I've heard that is one of the worries of some fans.I'm not sure if it's 'a worry' or not. The way I think about it is that if GRRM got hit by a meteor tomorrow and the story never finished, would I regret having started reading the books? No, because what we have already is (mostly) awesome, and not having an ending wouldn't invalidate that (though, as people have occasionally said, getting an ending that sucks might very well invalidate it).
So I'd go for it. And bear in mind that Book 3 has a somewhat acceptable 'waiting room' ending. The story isn't finished, but there's also no major cliffhanger than needs immediate resolution. I actually know people who read Book 3 ten years ago and refused to pick up Book 4 because they heard about its cliffhangers and are now looking forward to reading Books 4 and 5 back-to-back. They have more patience than me :-)
I tried waiting...couldnt do it...damn...stupid...roof shingling writers.
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I guess I could just buy the DVD set for Rome but whenever I loan my DVD collections out I never seem to get them back; where art thou Band of Brothers, Carnivàle, and season 3 of The Sopranos?
My box sets of Rome went on an extended tour of Rochester. When I went to get them back the person would say "Oh I passed them to XXX -- hope that's okay" and I would chase down XXX and they'd say the same thing about YYY.
It took a bit of pursuit but I finally got both boxes back though.
They did a great job with the first episode.. can't wait for more! The Stark direwolf sigil on the Winterfell soldiers' shields looked really cool, so I made a couple of wallpapers based on it. Here they are, if anyone is interested.
Wow.
Are the books as...adult...as the show is?
I've seen it referred to as "Game of Boobies"...now I know why.
It was a great show though!
Wow.
Are the books as...adult...as the show is?
I've seen it referred to as "Game of Boobies"...now I know why.
It was a great show though!
If anything, the t.v. version is a little tamer. Where those themes are addressed in the books, though, it's relevant to the story. It's not like there are porno interludes for the sake of vulgarity or something.
If anything, the t.v. version is a little tamer. Where those themes are addressed in the books, though, it's relevant to the story. It's not like there are porno interludes for the sake of vulgarity or something.Wow.
Are the books as...adult...as the show is?
I've seen it referred to as "Game of Boobies"...now I know why.
It was a great show though!
It's all good. I don't mind it. It just needs to contribute to the story, is all. Nudity 'just cause' shows me lack of imagination. That is apparently not the case here, if it's an important part of the story in the books.
I actually thought the TV show overdid the nudity. There's a fair amount of sex and nudity in the books but there's already been a hell of a lot more exposed boobies in the show than in the first several chapters of the book. Just look at Tyrion's first scene (which didn't happen in the book)! Not to mention the lingering examination of Dany's butt and nipple.
I actually thought the TV show overdid the nudity. There's a fair amount of sex and nudity in the books but there's already been a hell of a lot more exposed boobies in the show than in the first several chapters of the book. Just look at Tyrion's first scene (which didn't happen in the book)! Not to mention the lingering examination of Dany's butt and nipple.
I'm glad someone else pointed that out.
I'm glad someone else pointed that out.
I'm as fond of the female form as the next guy but it still struck me as gratuitously overdone particularly since it was not at all the same as the book.
They also have to establish characters MUCH more quickly on television. So, in his first scene they let viewers know in no uncertain terms that Tyrion is a quick-witted, drunken lecher. And are you certain that at least a similar scene didn't happen (although maybe not at Winterfell)? I haven't read the books in a while. At any rate, quite a bit of time in the books was spent establishing his drinking and whoring. On the tv show they don't have the luxury of time, and occasionally have to show instead of telling.
Similarly, in a single scene they were able to show Viserys as cold and ambitious and showed Dany as rightly terrified and completely dominated by her brother. I know she got into a scalding hot tub in the book as well, but I wonder if it might have also been visual foreshadowing of a certain resistance to heat...
All things considered, I don't think the compromises they made harmed the story's integrity.
It's all about first impressions. The first impression of Tyrion that we get in the tv show is of him guzzling beer and wenching like crazy. The first impression we get of him in the book is when he gives Jon incredibly wise and useful advice. Totally different and it sets up the character far more effectively than the tv show.
The TV show also presented Viserys as more of a slimy, fawning bastard with occasional moments of near fierceness. He strokes her bare skin. In the book his words are (mostly) kind and gentle but he immediately follows them up with a fierce pinch (through her clothes) and a harsh whisper. I didn't get the sense that he was either cold or fierce from the tv show.
The very hot tub scene followed after Viserys left; he didn't see her disrobe in that scene and Dany actually tells us that she likes the heat. In the tv show she was silent and looked shut down as if she didn't care about the heat or couldn't feel it (presumably because she's traumatized). Totally different and far less effective (IMHO).
I actually thought the TV show overdid the nudity. There's a fair amount of sex and nudity in the books but there's already been a hell of a lot more exposed boobies in the show than in the first several chapters of the book. Just look at Tyrion's first scene (which didn't happen in the book)! Not to mention the lingering examination of Dany's butt and nipple.
These are my thoughts as well. The book certainly has a lot of sex, but it's never gratuitous. Martin doesn't dwell on the details in the books except in a few notable cases (Dany and Drogo's first sexual encounter for instance). I assume, as others have pointed out, that part of this is to help establish characters (specifically Tyrion).
I think there is also a subtle difference between how Tyrion "whores" in the books. Tyrion "plays house" in the book, i.e. he has his woman treat him like he's her one true love and treats her the same, for a while. And he does so because he's sure he will never actually find a woman that loves him for himself.
A lot of Tyrion's development as a character is that he's actually one of the better Lannisters around, but no one sees it because of their assumptions of him being a monster. Even his scene with Jon was less "sympathetic outsider comforting another outsider" and more adversarial and snarky.
It also felt a little wrong to me to have Jaime procure more women for him, given the chip Tyrion still has on his shoulder over past events.
I've actually been re-reading over the last week, and have changed my opinion somewhat from earlier in the thread. I agree that Tyrion is not being characterized quite as accurately as I had thought before, and neither is Dany or Vicerys for that matter.
But then again, the episodic television format really doesn't have the luxury of incredibly nuanced characterization that the novels do. TV has to basically present the viewers (most of whom will not have read the books) with somewhat familiar archetypes to start.
Then, as things go on, contrary character quirks can be introduced and will be taken note of more easily by the viewer. It would be much worse if movies had been made, and I don't think movies could have been successful in even approximating the books.
The Lord of the Rings was able to pull it off because the standard archetypes applied...hell, it's what the standard archetypes were based on.
Given the limitations of the format, I'm still pleased with the show so far, and I'm looking forward to tomorrow's episode!
Ep 1 spoiler:
hey, is that little kid dead? and, who's the guy who was bopping the queen there?
Thanx. That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.
If you have not read the books, don't read the spoiler.
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My thoughts:
As for Hodor, I'm pretty sure we got a glimpse of him when the family and servants were waiting for the arrival of the royal party. Really big dullard looking fellow with peppery hair. Could be wrong though.
I'm really happy with the series. I have a few nitpicks, but pleased over all.
And I'd almost suggest to anybody to wait and read the first book after the first season. Some may disagree, but those are my thoughts.
Once again, despite having not yet read the books, I was impressed with the series. Good acting, excellent characters, and a very interesting story. So far, my favorite character is Tyrion.
Absolutely.. Peter Dinklage has done an awesome job so far.. I've always admired his ability to, despite his smaller physical stature, command a scene and even intimidate when it's called for. Gotta love this classic scene from Elf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02572EyOIzQ
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Once again, despite having not yet read the books, I was impressed with the series. Good acting, excellent characters, and a very interesting story. So far, my favorite character is Tyrion.Absolutely.. Peter Dinklage has done an awesome job so far.. I've always admired his ability to, despite his smaller physical stature, command a scene and even intimidate when it's called for. Gotta love this classic scene from Elf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02572EyOIzQ
I just loved it when...
I was really satisfied with the Book to TV scenes of
Lojakz, they may have already done what you said. Look at the way the last part of last nights episode was.
I think you might be right actually. I wish I could re-watch the episode (I'm watching it at my brother and sis-in-laws house as I don't have HBO myself and she insisted they get it for this series) but don't have access to the HBO online stuff. The more I think about it, the more indicative it is to what I suggested.
I find myself craving more... and sadly there aren't many other series available to satisfy that itch. I may have to start watching Rome again during the week while waiting for the next episode.
The second episode surprised me a bit, I read the first book 12 years ago, it was a great experience to relive it all again. The difference is, I did not like Tyrion at first in the book, imagine how awesome he'll be later.
I did not expect such beauty, the opening scene, the Wall, Dany, the Hound's helmet ...
Lojakz, they may have already done what you said. Look at the way the last part of last nights episode was.I think you might be right actually. I wish I could re-watch the episode (I'm watching it at my brother and sis-in-laws house as I don't have HBO myself and she insisted they get it for this series) but don't have access to the HBO online stuff. The more I think about it, the more indicative it is to what I suggested.
I find myself craving more... and sadly there aren't many other series available to satisfy that itch. I may have to start watching Rome again during the week while waiting for the next episode.
Camelot has been pretty good but it's also on a pay channel (Starz)
I did not expect such beauty, the opening scene, the Wall, Dany, the Hound's helmet ...
Yeah, the matte painting is really wonderful. The lead on it is Damien Mace, who has worked on things like Avatar, Sherlock Holmes, Prince of Persia, etc. [url]http://damienmace.blogspot.com/[/url]
This is not his work, but a reel showing the extent to which virtual sets can be used now on projects with budgets a fraction of the size that would have been necessary a few years ago.
They're doing significant matte painting and compositing on weekly network shows these days (as shown in the links below), so when something like Game of Thrones comes along where 1)they have even more money and time and 2)many of the artists are probably big fans of the book series, you better bet they're gonna knock it out of the park visually.
Stargate Studios Set Extension
I'm really enjoying the series, but it seems strange that it makes such huge leaps forward. The actors are all doing a great job of showing the characters emotions and attitudes, but without a lot of the 'filler'(?) background stuff it's hard to see the relationships as they should be.
The biggest one I've noticed, is between Robb Stark and Jon Snow. When they were leaving Winterfell, you could see that they cared for each other, but you never see how close they really are.
Another gap is in the different faiths. You know that Caitlin prays to seven gods and you have seen the godswood, but no indication that these are very different beliefs.
It's still a great show. I'm still loving it. I guess I just wish they had time to include a bit more back story.
Wow.
Are the books as...adult...as the show is?
I've seen it referred to as "Game of Boobies"...now I know why.
It was a great show though!
The TV show has thrown a few more scenes in than the books, and that's apparently going to continue. The books don't hold back, but there's generally a reason for why a sex scene is depicted on the page. In the series it feels like they may be going more for the sesationalist angle (though hopefully they don't go as far down that road as TRUE BLOOD).
Spoiler:Wonder if they are going to Introduce Hodor,
I've been finding it interesting how much effort they're going to in making Cersei more sympathetic and Jaime less so. I really wonder how far they're going to go with that.
Arya's thread, thus far, has been my most enjoyable in the TV series. Tyrion's great (and Dinklage bloody wonderful) but they keep messing with his lines and cutting out parts that I really enjoy.
And I found the direwolves to be even more effective on the screen than in the book. It was awesome when Bran's pup came to save him (but where's the naming scene?). And heartbreaking when Arya had to drive Nymeria off and Ned had to deal with Lady. Ouch.
Wander, there are a few spoilers in that you might want to put in a spoiler. Not everyone has seen the show yet. :(
Whoops. I would if I could edit it still at this point. Sorry about that. Usually I'm a lot more careful about such things.
If moderators want to get rid of the post or something for me, that'd be fine. I hate it when I make a stupid mistake like that.
I am definately enjoying the series thus far. It is really interesting to see something you have so long imagined come to life through another's eye.
I am enjoying the show so far, despite the direction HBO is taking things with regards to the "Hey look, we're HBO, we can throw in even MORE T and A!" In the books, G.R.R.M. nailed the perfect amount of sexual content and depravity in order to give the story the requisite gritty, adult feel.
I think the screenwriting is good, and the acting is excellent, but Peter Dinklage is really standing out with his portrayal of Tyrion. I've never seen a man so short of stature cause everyone else on screen to appear so much smaller than himself.
Is it just me, or is Rob's accent a bit off when compared to other northerner's?
Also, I am enjoying the work of Harry Lloyd. While he doesn't get much screen time, I think his creepy and venomous Viserys is great work. I eagerly await the scene of
I think the screenwriting is good, and the acting is excellent, but Peter Dinklage is really standing out with his portrayal of Tyrion. I've never seen a man so short of stature cause everyone else on screen to appear so much smaller than himself.
Is it just me, or is Rob's accent a bit off when compared to other northerner's?
Richard Madden, who plays Robb, is Scottish and has a fairly noticeable accent, so he's having to work hard to keep that out of his voice and also adopt a Northern English accent, so it's not surprising it's slipping a little. Practice should improve it as the series goes on. OTOH, Kit Harington and Alfie Allen (who play Jon and Theon) are southerners with much less pre-existing accents, so they can switch up to Northern more easily.
It's an interesting point, actually. Michelle Fairly (Catelyn) has adopted a fairly neutral Middle-English accent, which seems to be the norm for the Riverlands (which are much further south than Winterfell). Her daughters both have the same accent, a nod that Cat and her septa (also southron) would have been more influential on their upbringing whilst Robb and Jon were raised more by the castle staff and the master of arms once getting past say Bran's age (that's also presumably why Bran doesn't have the Northern accent, at least yet).
It's a nice little touch, actually. Which kind of gets a bit weird when Mark Addy slips into a Yorkshire accent for no discernible reason here and here, but he's doing such a great job as Robert (a sort of Henry VIII via Brian Blessed thing) that it can be safely ignored.
I am definately enjoying the series thus far. It is really interesting to see something you have so long imagined come to life through another's eye.
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(I've also been trying to avoid giving away spoilers. One fellow asked me if Ned would still be the Hand of the King by the 2nd season. I answered truthfully no and left it at that.)
I am definately enjoying the series thus far. It is really interesting to see something you have so long imagined come to life through another's eye.
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In regards to your spoiler which was in regards to his spoiler :)
Viserys is being played so perfectly...I hate him so much lol. That actor might get punched walking down the street from someone's subconscious memory that he's a slimeball. Can't wait to see him get "crowned"
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Viserys is absolutely one of the most face-punch-worthy douchebag creep characters I've read in a novel in a long time. You just want him to get his comeuppance SO badly!!!
I haven't been able to watch the show, but I'm glad to hear they captured that essence of his utter creepitude.