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The Oath (last weeks episode) was the most violent/action filled episode ever. You have hours to this evenings episode in which Felix Gaeta has control of the Galactica and Roslyn and Baltar (on the Baseship) are probably the only thing standing in his way.
With that level of slaughter and carnage, should the show have an R Rating?
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The Oath (last weeks episode) was the most violent/action filled episode ever. You have hours to this evenings episode in which Felix Gaeta has control of the Galactica and Roslyn and Baltar (on the Baseship) are probably the only thing standing in his way.
With that level of slaughter and carnage, should the show have an R Rating?
Depends on where you're from really.
on average, American shows have more of the violence than the Euro-shows, so it doesn't phase me.
OTOH, Look at how Skins and Torchwood have been edited for American audiences, then look at how much worse it would be were it on NBC/ABC/CBS/Fox.
Edit: Wasn't the pilot the deadliest ever? 5+ billion killed? Maybe Stalin had a point.
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The Oath (last weeks episode) was the most violent/action filled episode ever. You have hours to this evenings episode in which Felix Gaeta has control of the Galactica and Roslyn and Baltar (on the Baseship) are probably the only thing standing in his way.
With that level of slaughter and carnage, should the show have an R Rating?
The problem with your statement is that we see very little of the actual violence. We only actually see two on-screen deaths and one guy get shot through the shoulder. Most of the violence is implied, either through character statements or through the background noise where gunfire is constantly being heard. Adama is right, there will be a judgement and my guess is that Helo will be pissed.
The Oath (last weeks episode) was the most violent/action filled episode ever. You have hours to this evenings episode in which Felix Gaeta has control of the Galactica and Roslyn and Baltar (on the Baseship) are probably the only thing standing in his way.
With that level of slaughter and carnage, should the show have an R Rating?
WAAAAAH!!!!
Get over it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. And if you are a parent and don't want your snowflakes watching it, don't allow them to.
Take some responsibility.
So are all the eights raptor pilots? Or was the pilot the eight that downloaded all of Athena's memoies?
They've also shown sixes piloting raptors in the past, and some of the eights have stayed behind in the ship during combat before, so I think it's more that each model has a few that can do each thing. (And that they already had the pilot costume for the eight) :)
So are all the eights raptor pilots? Or was the pilot the eight that downloaded all of Athena's memoies?
That probably was the Athena-downloading eight.
I find it interesting that all the individuals of every model look exactly the same except the Sixes. There are the Natalie-sixes (brown hair), the caprica-sixes (blond) and there was even a black haired six back in the episodes with the cylon virus.
I'll also be interested in seeing (in the short time we have left) if Gaius was being honest about his revelation for 'his' cult needing him.
Also was that a six, or was it headsix he was in bed with?
Athena shot the headsix last season. Now that Deanna has stayed behind on Earth I don't think any one Cylon is in charge anymore. They seem to be run by Leoben, the Helo-massaging eight and whichever six that hasn't been killed recently.
As for Baltar...He seemed sincere but then again he is Baltar.
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I'll also be interested in seeing (in the short time we have left) if Gaius was being honest about his revelation for 'his' cult needing him.
Also was that a six, or was it headsix he was in bed with?
Athena shot the headsix last season. Now that Deanna has stayed behind on Earth I don't think any one Cylon is in charge anymore. They seem to be run by Leoben, the Helo-massaging eight and whichever six that hasn't been killed recently.
As for Baltar...He seemed sincere but then again he is Baltar.
Sorry, by headsix I meant 'six in his head' HeadSix and HeadGaius seem to have been forgotten this season. I hope it didn't come from 'we had a plan for them, but changed our minds and hope no one notices they aren't there anymore'.
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The Oath (last weeks episode) was the most violent/action filled episode ever. You have hours to this evenings episode in which Felix Gaeta has control of the Galactica and Roslyn and Baltar (on the Baseship) are probably the only thing standing in his way.
With that level of slaughter and carnage, should the show have an R Rating?
WAAAAAH!!!!
Get over it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. And if you are a parent and don't want your snowflakes watching it, don't allow them to.
Take some responsibility.
The OP made a comment that the episode was very violent, and that he wondered if it warranted an R rating. Without having seen the episode in question, it sounds like a reasonable opening for a discussion.
He wasn’t crying about it, he wasn’t saying he didn’t like it, and he wasn’t saying he was worried about children watching it. He didn’t show a lack of responsibility. So what problem exactly do you have with the post? People aren’t allowed to voice their opinions?
Sorry, by headsix I meant 'six in his head' HeadSix and HeadGaius seem to have been forgotten this season. I hope it didn't come from 'we had a plan for them, but changed our minds and hope no one notices they aren't there anymore'.
They do seem to have dropped that storyline. I didn't really notice it. Maybe all the sex with his followers and random cylons have him too distracted to be insane for the moment.
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Here is the pure violence that was THE OATH
Starbuck Goes on a Killing Spree offing the dirty little traitors (Its a Starbuck killfest from one end of the ship to the other)
Lee is taken by surprise when Zarek shows up at Quarom, runs home to the Galactica because Gaeta wont put his call through to Admiral Adama.
THe Agathons are rounded up and dumped in a holding cell with the other cylons. They begin an escape.
Starbuck rescues Lee from Rebels in the Landing bay, and they go on killing/kissing spree.
Roslyn scuttles off to Baltar's Cult HQ to use his Pirate Radio and get the message out. Gaeta jams the broadcast.
Admiral Adama catches on and confronts Gaeta. Gaeta Orders the Marines to cage the old man. He is now in charge. Saul Tigh and Adama kill their Marine Guards and go on a Killing Spree trying to get everyone loyal (10 people out of 2000) off the ship.
Baltar and Roslyn are fleeing the Ship in a Raptor with Admiral Adama and Saul Tigh holding off the Rebels while Roslyn and Baltar escape to the Base Star. Rebels throw grenades at Saul Tigh and Adama and...to be continued.
Here is the post uprising wrapup (aka friday night last). A weak ending to a strong story arc.
Frankly Gaeta was right and had he the will to kill Adama and jump the BSG into a Star to free the fleet of its "Leadership" we would be talking about something different.
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So are all the eights raptor pilots? Or was the pilot the eight that downloaded all of Athena's memoies?They've also shown sixes piloting raptors in the past, and some of the eights have stayed behind in the ship during combat before, so I think it's more that each model has a few that can do each thing. (And that they already had the pilot costume for the eight) :)
In a way you could think of it as being a similar situation as the clones in Star Wars. They all started out with identical skill sets, but as they lived their respective lives, they began to develop unique talents among each individual. After all, even among the same model, individuals have completely different personalities.
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Did anyone catch Felix's statement at the end about how one day he hoped people would realize who he really is? Then Baltar says that he knows who Felix really is. This seemingly innocent statement is really actually quite cryptic and plays into my theory that Felix may actually be another Cylon, maybe even from Earth.
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Did anyone catch Felix's statement at the end about how one day he hoped people would realize who he really is? Then Baltar says that he knows who Felix really is. This seemingly innocent statement is really actually quite cryptic and plays into my theory that Felix may actually be another Cylon, maybe even from Earth.
I was looking at it as part of the 'Dumbledore moment' on the webisodes. That Felix served with disticntion and honour, and his choice of bedmates had nothing to do with it. It also made me wonder if Gaius is more pansexual than we've seen.
I'm assuming since Boomer/Tyrol was a breaking of regulations, the Colonial Military has some kind of DADT policy as well.
Edit: I also think it was a reference to Felix being a 'hero' doing the tough choices etc. I think that's why he was at peace when they pulled the trigger.
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I agree that it could be just what you say, although I don't really see how Felix's choice of bedmates ever played into the mutiny and referencing that in the context of the episode really seems out of place at that moment. It's true he could be refering to the fact that he sees himself as a hero and is referencing that, but if I was the script writer I would have phrased it more like "One day I hope people understand what I did," rather then "one day I hope people know who I was." I personally think the line was intended to create some abiguity for the purpose of leaving some twinge of doubt in the viewers mind.
He wasn’t crying about it, he wasn’t saying he didn’t like it, and he wasn’t saying he was worried about children watching it. He didn’t show a lack of responsibility.
Shush you! It is more fun to make wild assumptions and judge people on internet forums.
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I agree that it could be just what you say, although I don't really see how Felix's choice of bedmates ever played into the mutiny and referencing that in the context of the episode really seems out of place at that moment. It's true he could be refering to the fact that he sees himself as a hero and is referencing that, but if I was the script writer I would have phrased it more like "One day I hope people understand what I did," rather then "one day I hope people know who I was." I personally think the line was intended to create some abiguity for the purpose of leaving some twinge of doubt in the viewers mind.
I -like- ambiguity. One thing I liked about both parts was Gaeta's motivations weren't clear. He seemed to honestly think that Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders were a threat and something had to be done, but it spiraled out of what he was expecting. I honestly don't think Gaeta had a plan beyond 'Relieve Admiral Adama, lock up the cylons, take it to the Quorum.' Which made him a perfect stooge for Zarek. Also I think the timestamps given throughout the two parter were there to show how quick this was. The scene of the crew/mob behind Adama as they retook the bridge was a way of showing, I think, that the majority of the crew still looked to Adama as their leader. The 'fire' from Pt 1 had kept them isolated.
I just felt what was missing was what drove Gaeta? His missing leg? The fact that he was the last person who saw Dee alive, and he couldn't stop her? I'd liked to have seen more character development.
I think some of the writing has been very heavy handed of late. The revelation of Cally's lying to Galen about the baby seemed more of a 'let's diminish Cally, and make it so the audience dislikes her for lying to the Chief'. Dee's suicide, while a shocking development and emphasizing the loss of hope, seemed more of a 'lets kill off Lee's wife, to get her out of Starbuck's way' thing. Plus, I liked Dee's character and the actress was the hottest non-toaster on the series.
I disagree with you because of the ambiguity. Gaeta was a great villain because I could empathize with him. He was not just some power hungry dictator. He resigned himself once he realized his cause was lost. He showed real leadership in that he did not spill more blood.
I do not think Cally was diminished at all. I think she was finally shown to be a flawed person and not just an innocent redshirt.
Dee’s suicide was delicious despite the fact I saw it coming. I agree she was a great character and attractive. For me, killing her shows that no one is safe. This is not going to be a Hollywood, the good guys win and the bad guys loose story.
Hope is powerful and when you take it away, it can destroy people.
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I just felt what was missing was what drove Gaeta? His missing leg? The fact that he was the last person who saw Dee alive, and he couldn't stop her? I'd liked to have seen more character development.
Well, I can see his motivation personally. The Cylons have taken away everything that meant anything to him. Now they are getting a free pass without any kind of payment of any sort. They are getting away with destroying the human race without any kind of a reckoning taking place. On top of that, the discovery of a ruined Earth left the fleet without a clear goal anymore. It's possible that had Adama not come forward with the idea of Earth at the end of the miniseries that this is the type of situation that would have developed much earlier in the fleet.
As for the story with Hotdog and Callie, I found her to be a much more sympathetic character for it. I mean, think about it. The way they skipped forward we go straight fro Galen beating the crap out of her on the flight deck to them being married and having Nicky. This revelation shows that they actually took some time, worked through the issues and had other relationships before getting married.
He wasn’t crying about it, he wasn’t saying he didn’t like it, and he wasn’t saying he was worried about children watching it. He didn’t show a lack of responsibility. So what problem exactly do you have with the post? People aren’t allowed to voice their opinions?
He asked when it was going to be made Rated R. That means he was wondering when someone was going to come along and make a sweeping decision for everyone. Frankly, given the context of the statment, I could only come to the conclusion that he felt this was a good thing and that it needed to be done.
Perhaps you should read up on the latest research into herd mentalities, and reflect.
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I started to add spoiler tags to the posts in this thread, but quickly gave up and decided to add "(Spoilers)" to the thread title instead.
Then you'll have seen the Caprica Prequel Series :)
Big Freakin
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I started to add spoiler tags to the posts in this thread, but quickly gave up and decided to add "(Spoilers)" to the thread title instead.
Then you'll have seen the Caprica Prequel Series :)
Big Freakin ** spoiler omitted **
You forgot
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I just felt what was missing was what drove Gaeta? His missing leg? The fact that he was the last person who saw Dee alive, and he couldn't stop her? I'd liked to have seen more character development.
Well, I can see his motivation personally. The Cylons have taken away everything that meant anything to him. Now they are getting a free pass without any kind of payment of any sort. They are getting away with destroying the human race without any kind of a reckoning taking place. On top of that, the discovery of a ruined Earth left the fleet without a clear goal anymore. It's possible that had Adama not come forward with the idea of Earth at the end of the miniseries that this is the type of situation that would have developed much earlier in the fleet.
In retrospect, I can't say that if I were in Gatea's position I would not have done the same thing he did.
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In retrospect, I can't say that if I were in Gatea's position I would not have done the same thing he did.
I just felt what was missing was what drove Gaeta? His missing leg? The fact that he was the last person who saw Dee alive, and he couldn't stop her? I'd liked to have seen more character development.
Well, I can see his motivation personally. The Cylons have taken away everything that meant anything to him. Now they are getting a free pass without any kind of payment of any sort. They are getting away with destroying the human race without any kind of a reckoning taking place. On top of that, the discovery of a ruined Earth left the fleet without a clear goal anymore. It's possible that had Adama not come forward with the idea of Earth at the end of the miniseries that this is the type of situation that would have developed much earlier in the fleet.
The leadership cast has done away with Democracy and the people are being enslaved/stripped of human rights by an increasingly Pro-Cylon Government and you are all that stands between the People and the Traitors at the top and you dont think you would side with Gaeta's faction?
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I started to add spoiler tags to the posts in this thread, but quickly gave up and decided to add "(Spoilers)" to the thread title instead.
Then you'll have seen the Caprica Prequel Series :)
Big Freakin ** spoiler omitted **
I thought Caprica wasn't going to be out until at least Fall 2009. Is there something I've missed?
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In retrospect, I can't say that if I were in Gatea's position I would not have done the same thing he did.
I just felt what was missing was what drove Gaeta? His missing leg? The fact that he was the last person who saw Dee alive, and he couldn't stop her? I'd liked to have seen more character development.
Well, I can see his motivation personally. The Cylons have taken away everything that meant anything to him. Now they are getting a free pass without any kind of payment of any sort. They are getting away with destroying the human race without any kind of a reckoning taking place. On top of that, the discovery of a ruined Earth left the fleet without a clear goal anymore. It's possible that had Adama not come forward with the idea of Earth at the end of the miniseries that this is the type of situation that would have developed much earlier in the fleet.
The leadership cast has done away with Democracy and the people are being enslaved/stripped of human rights by an increasingly Pro-Cylon Government and you are all that stands between the People and the Traitors at the top and you dont think you would side with Gaeta's faction?
Reread what I wrote. I said I most likly would have sideed with Gaeta's faction. However, I also disagree with you that the mutineers had the idea of restoring the Democratic government, or that the leaders were out to destroy it. After all, the first thing Tom Zarack did when he seized control was execute the people's elected representatives and established himself as dictator. It was the "traitors at the top" that made their appeal to the people, and ultimately showed that they had the people's support.
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Well, I can see his motivation personally. The Cylons have taken away everything that meant anything to him. Now they are getting a free pass without any kind of payment of any sort. They are getting away with destroying the human race without any kind of a reckoning taking place. On top of that, the discovery of a ruined Earth left the fleet without a clear goal anymore.
I just felt what was missing was what drove Gaeta? His missing leg? The fact that he was the last person who saw Dee alive, and he couldn't stop her? I'd liked to have seen more character development.
I assumed it was primarilly due to him wigging-out over realising that the Eight he was shagging on New Caprica had all the people he named executed. He was over-reacting to compensate for his guilt.
This was aggravated by being manipulated by Zarek; because of Gaeta's personal experiences and association with the occupying government on New Caprica he would likely have been more willing to regard Zarek sympathetically than other senior military staff, finding in the Vice President somebody who could enable his rationalisation that he hadn't really been a collaborator, just as Zarek hadn't really been a terrorist -- they were both just doing what was necessary to survive. Unfortunately for Gaeta, Zarek was the one preparing the kool-aid, not the one drinking it.
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I thought Caprica wasn't going to be out until at least Fall 2009. Is there something I've missed?I started to add spoiler tags to the posts in this thread, but quickly gave up and decided to add "(Spoilers)" to the thread title instead.
Then you'll have seen the Caprica Prequel Series :)
Big Freakin ** spoiler omitted **
I'm in the secret club that gets to see all this twenty years before it gets made...:)
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I'm in the secret club that gets to see all this twenty years before it gets made...:)You mean it's all happened before, and it's all going to happen again?
Yes...just dont go showing the children the secret handshake...The last thing we need is to have them loitering outside our secret underground base.
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I wanted to know what he told Bill at the end of the webisodes.
Oh, sidetrack, my room mate hates when I say 'Lee, Kara, Saul, Bill, Gaius.' She doesn't watch so she doesn't think of them except as "Apollo, Starbuck, Tigh (or creepy eyepatch guy), Adama, Baltar" And I don't even try to keep Sharon Agathon and Sharon Valeri seperate for her, they're 'Athena' and 'Boomer'
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Has anyone else noticed that the Cylons are becoming more human in attitude. For example, the six that Baltar slept with in last weeks episode went by the name Lida. Sadly that peice of information was cut out of the episode but was revealed during an interview. Now it could be argued that they are doing it for the sake of their human allies, but they could also be on the path to becomeing more like individuals.
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Has anyone else noticed that the Cylons are becoming more human in attitude. For example, the six that Baltar slept with in last weeks episode went by the name Lida. Sadly that peice of information was cut out of the episode but was revealed during an interview. Now it could be argued that they are doing it for the sake of their human allies, but they could also be on the path to becomeing more like individuals.
Darn I was hoping it was teh six in his head
Seeing the final episodes listed out like that...makes it so...sooo...final...really upsets me. Such a wonderful show...
"better to burn out than to fade away"
A part of me is glad they are ending it before it has a chance to jump the shark. No sudden addition of a family member that is the key to the world, the universe and everything that everyone remembers despite appearing out of thin air.
Which is what I meant when I said "better to burn out than to fade away"...their going out on a supernova note...at a highpoint...rather than jumping the shark into obscurity and bad television...
So what you are really saying...
I'm saying that Obama really is Santa.
'nuff said?
He's no Tom Zarek.