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Well, move my thread if its in the wrong place or there is already one catering to this subject.
Personally there is one Prestige Class that I would want to see converted to the PFRPG. It was called "Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil" and it was from The Complete Arcane. Now, that is copyrighted of course and not OGL. But the concept of the prestige class was a arcane spellcaster who specialized in abjuration magic, specifically spells dealing with the color spectrum such as the Prismatic spells. Now I know that no one has a copyright out on the color spectrum >.> . So a prestige class based on abjuration and prismatics shouldn't be infringing on anything copyrighted as long as it is made to PFRPG rules, which would take put some distance in between it and the prestige class listed in the CoArcane. I really enjoyed that class, it was a offense through a excellent defense spellcaster. As a 9th level spell they gained an ability called "Kaleidoscopic Doom" which targeted one creature and turned all magical effects on that creature against him, it functioned as a greater dispel magic but for each effect it dispelled it dealt damage of a serious sort as well. As it advanced in levels this class basically gained access to each color of the light spectrum as a "veil" that could be used to ward against attacks. The veils could be used as a personal warding affecting only you or could be spread out into a warding that could affect adjacent squares, and in some cases as a wall. It was very cool o.o and not too overpowered since it was defense based. Its the monsters own fault if he decides to charge anyways ;D
THE ARCHMAGE!!!! The campaign that I am in, I am currently play testing a 16 lvl wizard/5 archmage. All seems to be running well, seems a little cheezed out at first but since I am the only caster in the group, I kind of need to be a little cheezed! Took the archmage straight out of the 3.5 DMG and converted it. The only thing that really changed was the hit points.
I second the Archmage... and I'd like to add the Hierophant as well.
The Tempest.
The prestige class I would like to see is what I call the weapon master. A character that would have a sword or mace or longbow or morngingstar or spear or scimitar or whatever weapon that would be appropriate in any situation. They would be proficient in any weapon and have focus in as many as they could. It would mean carrying a lot of hardware. Done right it could be much fun.
Why not call it a fighter?
I persoanlly wouldnt mind seeing the old Weapon Master (Kensai) make a return for the better (the new on in 3.5...well sucks in comparison); also the Blade Dancer would be awesome to see.
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The Scarred Lands setting had, IMO, some of the most incredible Prestige Class ideas.
The Incarnate, a Druid reincarnationist that Wild Shaped only a few specific Past Life Forms (which may have been humanoid or fey, in addition to animals or vermin), for instance.
The Summoner, a summoning-based spellcaster who forged a specific Pact with an extraplanar entity of near-god status, and summoned beasties from his Pact Patron at a higher level of effectiveness than his level would otherwise suggest.
The Prodigalist, a Wizard who was able to summon and bind multiple familiars, and take special feats to enhance their familiars above and beyond the traditional abilities.
The Crypt Lord, a necromantic arcanist who was able to add the spells of transmutation as necromancy spells, only with an undead flavor (an animated rope was animated by negative energy and a bull's strength gave one the strength of a vampire, with the pale skin and red eyes to match).
The Dragon Knight, a group of cavaliers and blackguards mounted on a type of Fire Lizard called a 'mock dragon,' in service to the Black Dragon of Calastia.
The Silver Knight, a Paladin specialized in fighting extraplanar menaces, and adding Summon Monster and Planar Binding spells to his Paladin spell list, as he also calls up celestial creatures to aid in the battle against their infernal counterparts.
The Gold Knight, a Paladin specialized in healing, able to pass out golden tokens to his allies that allows him to affect them with his Lay on Hands or Cure spells even if they are at range.
The Warrior of White Fire, a group of Fighter / Wizards who advance spellcasting and BAB, but use mostly light armor and specialize in the use of the quarterstaff in combat, including the ability to channel spells through their staves, or even cast a spell and use their remaining iterative staff attacks in a full attack!
The Master Cabalist, a wizard who enhances his arcane spellcasting by invoking the power of the gods, allowing for a host of minor enhancements relevant to the diety invoked, but increasing the casting time to a full round action.
Tons of really neat PrCs, and, particularly coolly, IMO, quite a few really good Monk, Paladin and Sorcerer Prestige Classes, like the Dawn Spear Adept, Brother of Steal, Initiate of the Forge, Knight of Tears, Angel-Blooded, Voice of Sumara, etc.
THE ARCHMAGE!!!! The campaign that I am in, I am currently play testing a 16 lvl wizard/5 archmage. All seems to be running well, seems a little cheezed out at first but since I am the only caster in the group, I kind of need to be a little cheezed! Took the archmage straight out of the 3.5 DMG and converted it. The only thing that really changed was the hit points.
Throw my vote in on the Archmage. It has become an iconic PrC, and even though I don't play a caster much, I still think the idea of a wizard who practically lobotomized his own spell casting ability to become one with his spells, is still needed. This character concept wise is perfect set up for a lich too.
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I think a Melee dragon deciple type. The original DD PrC was a melee one, and the new one, well lets face it sucks ass for melee types.
I would also like to see a 4 level add on to every PrC that is 10 levels long so that in a longer game of the full 20 levels you would be more your PrC than any other class.
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The Scarred Lands setting had, IMO, some of the most incredible Prestige Class ideas.
Great ideas, but I always found their stuff a bit... so-so in terms of execution.
And the only way those will see an update is as 4e Paragon Paths. Fiery Dragon has the rights to Scarred Lands now, and they've gone to the GSL. :(
The Scarred Lands setting had, IMO, some of the most incredible Prestige Class ideas.Great ideas, but I always found their stuff a bit... so-so in terms of execution.
And the only way those will see an update is as 4e Paragon Paths. Fiery Dragon has the rights to Scarred Lands now, and they've gone to the GSL. :(
Wasn't some of the Scarred Lands stuff incredibly broken?
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THE ARCHMAGE!!!!
Throw my vote in on the Archmage. It has become an iconic PrC, I still think the idea of a wizard who practically lobotomized his own spell casting ability to become one with his spells, is still needed. This character concept wise is perfect set up for a lich too.
I have to add that the Archmage is a great concept but I hated the class. It should have been set up for either a Sorcerer who had gained a greater edge by being able to prep spells or as a Wizard who could Gain abilities to be able to cast his on the fly.
EDIT: For ease of comprehension.
I think a good Prc should have a narrow and specific focus, a more specialized approach than the core classes, also the best Prc IMO are setting specific tying into a specific organization or aspect of the campaign world.
Wasn't some of the Scarred Lands stuff incredibly broken?
The few PrC from the Scarred Lands that I read were clearly broken or so badly done that they raised a lot of questions on the way they worked ...
Monte Cook's Eldritch Master (3.0 PrC for Sorcerers printed in Dragon #280). With some little tweaks, it could be a great way to bypass the low number of spells known of Sorcerers.
I'll add again, a bodyguard class would be great. Devoted Defender (Sword and Fist) being my favorite example so far.
Second that, the devoted defender was a good idea for a class, but I think it could have been handled better.
I'll add again, a bodyguard class would be great. Devoted Defender (Sword and Fist) being my favorite example so far.Second that, the devoted defender was a good idea for a class, but I think it could have been handled better.
I dont now you could handle it better, it was what it was, a bodyguard with abilities to prevent damage to the chosen charge.
Though know that someone reminds me more of Sword and Fist I think all the old 3.0 Prestige Classes (especially those left out by Wot$) should get some attention.
Not so much prestige classes, but I would very much like to see Duskblade and Swashbuckler given base class treatment. Duskblade because there is currently no martial arcanist combo available, but there is a divine martialist (paladin). And swashbucklers because . . .well, just because swashbucklers are just cool.
Not so much prestige classes, but I would very much like to see Duskblade and Swashbuckler given base class treatment. Duskblade because there is currently no martial arcanist combo available, but there is a divine martialist (paladin). And swashbucklers because . . .well, just because swashbucklers are just cool.
I've posted as "Pathfinderized" version of the swashbuckler Here.
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I'd really like to see a Knight type base class, a really good Rune/Symbol/Word of based Cleric class, Knight of the Raven, and some sort of Cleric/Monk, Cleric/Rogue, and Monk/Rogue based Prestigue Classes, that don't focus so much on one aspect of the classes.
Master of many forms for Druids, and a slightly nerfed version of the Druid/Wizard class from Races of the Wild.
Frenzied Berzerker and the Bear Warrior for Barbarians.
For all the other classes, just some basic stuff.
I'd like to see a prestige class for rogue/wizards that's more rogue and less wizard than Arcane Trickster. AT seems to be for those who want to make ranged touch attack sneak attacks. I want something for the rogue who specializes in defeating magical defenses but fights more like a standard swashbuckler/duelist.
I liked the thaumaturgist. I liked the idea of having an outsider minion.
Why was that PrC hacked out but LORE master (king of YAWN) kept?
Lyric Thaumaturge (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
Seeker of the Song (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
a melee Dragon Disciple as per 3.5
a Shadowdancer that is useful for more than level dip
Master of Many Forms
The Scout base class
We dont need a scout and a ranger.
The ranger should drop spells and pick up what the scout offers and just call it ranger.
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Lyric Thaumaturge (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
Seeker of the Song (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
a melee Dragon Disciple as per 3.5
a Shadowdancer that is useful for more than level dip
Master of Many Forms
The Scout base classWe dont need a scout and a ranger.
The ranger should drop spells and pick up what the scout offers and just call it ranger.
I couldn't agree with you more.
a melee Dragon Disciple as per 3.5
YAY! I am not alone!!!
I couldn't agree with you more.Lyric Thaumaturge (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
Seeker of the Song (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
a melee Dragon Disciple as per 3.5
a Shadowdancer that is useful for more than level dip
Master of Many Forms
The Scout base classWe dont need a scout and a ranger.
The ranger should drop spells and pick up what the scout offers and just call it ranger.
Are you referring to a scout like ranger variant to be created?
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Throw my vote in on the Archmage. It has become an iconic PrC, I still think the idea of a wizard who practically lobotomized his own spell casting ability to become one with his spells, is still needed. This character concept wise is perfect set up for a lich too.I have to add that the Archmage is a great concept but I hated the class. It should have been set up for either a Sorcerer who had gained a greater edge by being able to prep spells or as a Wizard who could Gain abilities to be able to cast his on the fly.
EDIT: For ease of comprehension.
The abilities of changing energy type and shaping the area of effect of the spell, arcane fire to be way to powerful for a feat, and not to mention too many abilities in the PrC to properly gain the same amount.
Are you referring to a scout like ranger variant to be created?I couldn't agree with you more.Lyric Thaumaturge (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
Seeker of the Song (or its benefits incorporated into the bard)
a melee Dragon Disciple as per 3.5
a Shadowdancer that is useful for more than level dip
Master of Many Forms
The Scout base classWe dont need a scout and a ranger.
The ranger should drop spells and pick up what the scout offers and just call it ranger.
Talking about ditching useless ranger spells, Giving the ranger trapfinding and trap sense and few other goodies the scout has and give the ranger a choice between animal companion and.....?
But not ranger AND scout, it's the same thing just a variant.
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Are you referring to a scout like ranger variant to be created?Talking about ditching useless ranger spells, Giving the ranger trapfinding and trap sense and few other goodies the scout has and give the ranger a choice between animal companion and.....?
But not ranger AND scout, it's the same thing just a variant.
Actually, my preference would be to ditch the ranger spellcasting and rip the skirmish ability from the scout class (the scout class as featured in the Complete Adventurer and not any other books in which it made an appearance).
Actually, my preference would be to ditch the ranger spellcasting and rip the skirmish ability from the scout class (the scout class as featured in the Complete Adventurer and not any other books in which it made an appearance).Are you referring to a scout like ranger variant to be created?Talking about ditching useless ranger spells, Giving the ranger trapfinding and trap sense and few other goodies the scout has and give the ranger a choice between animal companion and.....?
But not ranger AND scout, it's the same thing just a variant.
thats fine but ranger needs find traps, and trap sense too.
thats fine but ranger needs find traps, and trap sense too.Actually, my preference would be to ditch the ranger spellcasting and rip the skirmish ability from the scout class (the scout class as featured in the Complete Adventurer and not any other books in which it made an appearance).Are you referring to a scout like ranger variant to be created?Talking about ditching useless ranger spells, Giving the ranger trapfinding and trap sense and few other goodies the scout has and give the ranger a choice between animal companion and.....?
But not ranger AND scout, it's the same thing just a variant.
Why outdate the rogue??? Lets see a melee type with two good saves, a D10 hit die, full base attack and trap finding, with stealth capability. No one will ever play a rogue again, rangers will inherent the earth.
BLADESINGER - I would love to see this Prestige Class make a return :)
OR Feats that would enable an Eldrich Knight be able to apply his INT Bonus to his AC and another Feat enabling him to add his INT bonus to his mele attacks in addition to STR (like the Swashbuckler)
I think the second suggestion is the most likely since Bladesinger is closed content. However the X into Y feats are quite powerful since it allows two attributes to stack. Currently there is only one in PFRPG, Intimidating Prowess, which adds your strenght bonus in addition to your charisma bonus to intimidation checks.
Having played a bladesinger since they first came out in second edition I would welcome a method to play one again.
Doug
Aackkk... Post MOnster ate my post. (Now I have to be all eloquent sounding... again.) :P
I second (or third) the Blackguard, Thaumaturgist(sp?), and Dwarven Defender. And would like to see PFRPG versions of Master of Many Forms, Warshaper, and Bladesinger.
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However the X into Y feats are quite powerful since it allows two attributes to stack. Currently there is only one in PFRPG, Intimidating Prowess, which adds your strength bonus in addition to your charisma bonus to intimidation checks.
I find that "X into Y" feats tend to be broken only when they are allowed to stack with the previous attribute used. Intimidating Prowess would be more balanced if it just allowed a "X substitutes for Y" instead.
The Blackguard....
Not necessarily for PC's, but it's definitely a good grief-giver to PC's.....