I think the monk and paladin need to be someones favored class. Playing either as it stands shorts you 20 skill points or 20 hp over the 20 levels. I house ruled that they applied to all the races as a quick fix to balance things in my game. Clearly the strong choice is the half-orc as far as monks go.
Githzerai favour monks, but their D&D interpretation is protected by WotC.
I have long been a proponent of making monk a favored class for halflings. Join the Halfling Monk Liberation Front! (But not the Halfling Front for the Liberation of Monks...)
I have long been a proponent of making monk a favored class for halflings. Join the Halfling Monk Liberation Front! (But not the Halfling Front for the Liberation of Monks...)
I don't see how halflings qualify for having monk as favored class. Strength penalty and Charisma bonus are both not exactly helping a monk.
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Paladin and Monk are both horribly specific classes. They follow a very specific background and are usually tied to cloisters, temples or whatsoever while most other classes are rather loose on that and can be applied to a lot of societies in one way or another (even sorcerer and Barbarian). But to get a race to favor monks or paladins you would have to rewrite the races' fluff so that for some reason they have a lot of Paladin orders or Monk temples around.
Monk and Paladin in my opinion are the only classes that have the right to not specifically favored by anyone.
I have long been a proponent of making monk a favored class for halflings. Join the Halfling Monk Liberation Front! (But not the Halfling Front for the Liberation of Monks...)I don't see how halflings qualify for having monk as favored class. Strength penalty and Charisma bonus are both not exactly helping a monk.
I should have pointed out that the Halfling Monk Liberation Front endorses the removal of the halfling Charisma bonus in favor of Wisdom, since halflings AREN'T gnomes.
I should have pointed out that the Halfling Monk Liberation Front endorses the removal of the halfling Charisma bonus in favor of Wisdom, since halflings AREN'T gnomes.I have long been a proponent of making monk a favored class for halflings. Join the Halfling Monk Liberation Front! (But not the Halfling Front for the Liberation of Monks...)I don't see how halflings qualify for having monk as favored class. Strength penalty and Charisma bonus are both not exactly helping a monk.
But halflings aren't dwarves either.
Just because they both get one (out of 2) bonuses to the same stat and are same size category doesnt make them the same race. If you want to make a difference anyway, give halflings +2 to Int instead, that at least helps them with their roguing.
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I should have pointed out that the Halfling Monk Liberation Front endorses the removal of the halfling Charisma bonus in favor of Wisdom, since halflings AREN'T gnomes.I have long been a proponent of making monk a favored class for halflings. Join the Halfling Monk Liberation Front! (But not the Halfling Front for the Liberation of Monks...)I don't see how halflings qualify for having monk as favored class. Strength penalty and Charisma bonus are both not exactly helping a monk.
But halflings aren't dwarves either.
Just because they both get one (out of 2) bonuses to the same stat and are same size category doesnt make them the same race. If you want to make a difference anyway, give halflings +2 to Int instead, that at least helps them with their roguing.
They also get the same penalty, whereas if you give a halfling wisdom that's the only stat he has in common with the dwarf. I like the idea of halfling monks, the halfling is a small creature which doesn't lend itself well to the bashing nature of other classes, but I can see them developing monk disciplines where momentum is more important then strength and using that to match the big folk. That also works for the reason they are often rogues.
Definitely do not give halflings an int bonus, I don't want mini-elves running around.
I should have pointed out that the Halfling Monk Liberation Front endorses the removal of the halfling Charisma bonus in favor of Wisdom, since halflings AREN'T gnomes.I have long been a proponent of making monk a favored class for halflings. Join the Halfling Monk Liberation Front! (But not the Halfling Front for the Liberation of Monks...)I don't see how halflings qualify for having monk as favored class. Strength penalty and Charisma bonus are both not exactly helping a monk.
But halflings aren't dwarves either.
Just because they both get one (out of 2) bonuses to the same stat and are same size category doesnt make them the same race. If you want to make a difference anyway, give halflings +2 to Int instead, that at least helps them with their roguing.
They also get the same penalty, whereas if you give a halfling wisdom that's the only stat he has in common with the dwarf. I like the idea of halfling monks, the halfling is a small creature which doesn't lend itself well to the bashing nature of other classes, but I can see them developing monk disciplines where momentum is more important then strength and using that to match the big folk. That also works for the reason they are often rogues.
Definitely do not give halflings an int bonus, I don't want mini-elves running around.
Then change elves to +2 Wisdom ^^
Seriously with the bonus to Dexterity they're still quite a bit away from Gnomes. Gnomes are quite a bit sturdier and don't have to rely on speedy classes as much.
Still there is little reason even with a bonus to wisdom (which you would have to explain too, charisma seems a lot more fitting, considering that halflings are very outgoing, sociable and love to stick around other races), you'd still have to explain why so many halflings would become monks. From their personality halflings have never been the super-disciplined type and they sure wouldn't want to spend years of their lives perfecting their body. They'd much rather spend years of their lives roaming around, eating, meeting people, entertaining and/or stealing stuff. Thus rogue/bard and charisma are wonderfully fitted for them.
Definitely do not give halflings an int bonus, I don't want mini-elves running around.
I guess Nathan isn't a ElfQuest fan.
I like the idea of halflings with a +2 INT and think it's very appropriate for a clever dexterous race... Unfortunately, there are only so many abilities and the number of combinations of mental and physical bonuses is limited. Elves are supposed to be beautiful and eloquent, give them CHA :P
Mostly it's irritating to me that both the little races get the same mental stat boost. I would actually like to see gnomes with INT then you can actually have an effective gnome illusionist again and that racial ability would make sense.
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Definitely do not give halflings an int bonus, I don't want mini-elves running around.I guess Nathan isn't a ElfQuest fan.
I like the idea of halflings with a +2 INT and think it's very appropriate for a clever dexterous race... Unfortunately, there are only so many abilities and the number of combinations of mental and physical bonuses is limited. Elves are supposed to be beautiful and eloquent, give them CHA :P
Mostly it's irritating to me that both the little races get the same mental stat boost. I would actually like to see gnomes with INT then you can actually have an effective gnome illusionist again and that racial ability would make sense.
Actually I liked Elfquest a lot, but I don't want there to be two races that share two bonuses (or negatives) in common. Be it that halflings and gnomes, or halflings and elves. Giving Halflings wis would make them the only -str, +dex, +wis. They wouldn't closely mimic another race. Whereas now they mimic gnomes and if you switch them to int, they mimic elves.
Actually I liked Elfquest a lot, but I don't want there to be two races that share two bonuses (or negatives) in common. Be it that halflings and gnomes, or halflings and elves. Giving Halflings wis would make them the only -str, +dex, +wis. They wouldn't closely mimic another race. Whereas now they mimic gnomes and if you switch them to int, they mimic elves.
Halflings, Wisdom... am I the only one who chuckles when he hears this :)
To be honest that would be fine with me. Gnomes INT, halflings WIS...
That would make for better halfling rangers which I am quite cool with.
Wait... it just hit me.
Halfling with WIS+DEX == Ultramonk
Saves would be crazy high with the Monk saves+Halfling luck+High DEX/ WIS. AC would be high with the high WIS+DEX plus small size. Might be the best defensive class race combo ever.
Damage would be hurt but the +1 Attack bonus compensates a bit...
We must paint him green and we will call him... YODA.
See it's allready inspiring character concepts :)
You know... strangely enough that would be a pretty cool character. I can just visualize a room full of monsters with busted kneecaps.
@ snorter LOL
@ Blob -- Considering Lidda weighs in at all of 25 lbs it would be interesting to see exactly what you would do with her.
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Being a halfling monk, I can tell you that it is certainly a worthy class choice for people of my size and stature. With a bonus to Dex, we typically have high ACs (and that's not counting the +1 modifier due to size). We also have a additional +1 to saves on top of the monk's already good numbers in all three areas. Add to that the +1 bonus to-hit and things are looking good. Sure, we're slower and do less damage at low levels but our self-perfection makes up for this. Thus, through pursuing a monk's way, we negate all the detractors of being small and maintain all the benefits.
Well I wouldn't have a problem with halflings getting a WIS bonus instead of CHA and getting monk as a favored class. It would do worlds for differentiating the two races which is IMO an issue.
Gnomes would be the bard/ sorcerer casting small guys, halflings would be the small but deadly guys who use martial arts and good old fashioned dirty fighting to lay down the hurt.
In one of the other forms folks have suggested getting rid of the favored class concept entirely. To me, that seems a better solution to this issue than changing the races so that these two classes are some race's favored class. As someone pointed out upthread, these two classes are traditionally very human classes anyway.
In one of the other forms folks have suggested getting rid of the favored class concept entirely. To me, that seems a better solution to this issue than changing the races so that these two classes are some race's favored class. As someone pointed out upthread, these two classes are traditionally very human classes anyway.
I am a big fan of nuking FC entirely. However if there is a mechanism...
Halfling monks would be awesome. Considering how similar the two little races are already this would be a great way to separate them.
While I'm thinking about it Gnome Paladins would be a good martial choice also, charisma bonus, constitution bonus...
I don't buy the these are human classes argument. Halflings would naturally gravitate towards types of fighting that stress style over brute force.