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The new monsters that are introduced in Pathfinder Modules and APs are one of the things I really love.
The problem is that they are scattered at the current time in 29 diffrent sources and if your like me and want to use those creatures in your own adventures and campaigns it can become a little cumbersome to find them and use.
I just finished compiling all the monsters up LB1:Tower of the Last Baron and PF#13: Shadow in the Sky. Thats 111 creatures from 29 sources.
What Im looking for is a way to post it so it can be shared with the community and be updated as new stuff comes out. Like I mentioned above its already compiled in a rtf word file that includes the various creatures names, type, Cr and source its found in.
Anyone interested in helping me out?
well if there open content I would be happy to host in my yahoo group.
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Well theirs no actual game statistics,except for type, sub-type and CR.
Its meant to be a quick way to refrence and locate what creature(s)you want to use for your own adventures.
You make a good point about open content though. Would Paizo object to this material being available on the net? If so I will keep it to myself.
well if it's just an index I don't see an issue as it's just names and where to find it.
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Well theirs no actual game statistics,except for type, sub-type and CR.
Its meant to be a quick way to refrence and locate what creature(s)you want to use for your own adventures.
You make a good point about open content though. Would Paizo object to this material being available on the net? If so I will keep it to myself.
The statistics for the monsters are open content. The art and the flavor text are not. If you do want to post them in full... keep in mind that you also need to properly post the OGL to go along with it all so that the sources are all properly cited.
It might be worth waiting a bit longer for us to finalize the fan-site guidelines we're working on getting ready for everyone, of course; all the answers for what's good and bad should be in there.
If you just want a list of everything that's shown up in PF so far, remind me in the morning and I can post it. I've got it at the office... where I'm not right now. Want it alphabetized or by CR?
If you just want a list of everything that's shown up in PF so far, remind me in the morning and I can post it. I've got it at the office... where I'm not right now. Want it alphabetized or by CR?
What?!? You mean you don't have a cot in the warehouse so you can live, breath, eat, and sleep Paizo. ;)
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Im going to try and post it to the pathfinder wiki once I figure out how to do it. I just signed up and have never done anything like that before. Hell, I didnt even realize their was a pathfider wiki!
Currently the list dosent include the pathfinder society stuff since I dont have anything from that yet. The list I wrote up is alphabetized, but I would also like to do a version by CR and another by creature type.
If you just want a list of everything that's shown up in PF so far ... Want it alphabetized or by CR?You are a god! *worship*
Whoa. Okay. Well. I was not expecting this much interest.
So here's a question. If we were to find a good breaking point--a place where such an addition would feel natural--would you see any benefit to seeing such a list in published form?
I mean, sure, you're going to get the list tomorrow, but for all the folks who don't have interwebs or don't notice the thread or whatever...
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So here's a question. If we were to find a good breaking point--a place where such an addition would feel natural--would you see any benefit to seeing such a list in published form?
I would much rather get new stuff in any published book rather than a list of existing stuff. Don't get me wrong, I love making lists and organizing and categorizing things, but the less pages of Pathfinder are filled with said lists, the more stuff there is for me to make lists of myself.
Im going to try and post it to the pathfinder wiki once I figure out how to do it. I just signed up and have never done anything like that before. Hell, I didnt even realize their was a pathfider wiki!
Currently the list dosent include the pathfinder society stuff since I dont have anything from that yet. The list I wrote up is alphabetized, but I would also like to do a version by CR and another by creature type.
The wiki doesn't really have a place for a single list, as this just adds another page that has to be updated every time a new monster is published, and these things tend to get overlooked and then lag several months or longer behind. The way we're handling it is that each new monster's individual article can be categorized by type, CR, environment, etc, so that you can search them by any given criteria, and no one has to maintain a running list of each searchable category. The best way to help get this list up to speed is to create articles for any monsters that don't have them yet, (which is quite a few). If you have questions on how to do this, you can drop me a line in the wiki messageboards here. (It's probably best to keep detailed wiki instructions and discussion off the main Paizo boards for clutter's sake.)
Edit: here is the current list of searchable criteria for creatures on the wiki, but note that not all the new monsters which have appeared in the pages of Pathfinder yet have articles, and thus, are not included in these categories.
I would much rather get new stuff in any published book rather than a list of existing stuff...
Yeah, kinda what I figured.
I would much rather get new stuff in any published book rather than a list of existing stuff...Yeah, kinda what I figured.
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I would much rather get new stuff in any published book rather than a list of existing stuff...Yeah, kinda what I figured.
Ideally thats exactly what I would like to see Paizo do. However as I see it, I would much rather have them putting out new stuff in print than to take their time away for less important stuff.
I really made the list for myself, but I figured I would share it with the community if possible.
Ive always wanted to participate in a wiki but never really saw something till now that I felt I could be interested enough to devot my time to. I must now learn Wiki-Fu...
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Ive always wanted to participate in a wiki but never really saw something till now that I felt I could be interested enough to devot my time to. I must now learn Wiki-Fu...
Yeah, it seems that people are specializing in things on the Wiki.... Yoda is great at helping edit anything that newbies wiki-fu is too weak to get correct, and he has been writing up a good amount of the articles (like 75%) I've been concentrating on any information I can take from the fiction, and I'm starting to flesh out Riddleport for future use (I'm hoping to set my NaNoWriMo there). Some of the more art-inclined are helping create open content art pieces for various NPCs. Its really coming along nicely, and we will be breaking 700 articles soon!
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Ive always wanted to participate in a wiki but never really saw something till now that I felt I could be interested enough to devot my time to. I must now learn Wiki-Fu...
Wiki-fu is perhaps the easiest fu I've learned in a while, save Google-fu which is made to be the easiest. There's a nice help section on the wiki itself that outlines the formatting conventions of the site, and you can also click "edit" at the top of just about any page to see how it was done, just don't save any changes you might make. Your userspace (here in your case is also a great place to try stuff out without affecting the whole site should you make some beginner's mistakes.
Yeah, it seems that people are specializing in things on the Wiki.... Yoda is great at helping edit anything that newbies wiki-fu is too weak to get correct, and he has been writing up a good amount of the articles (like 75%) I've been concentrating on any information I can take from the fiction, and I'm starting to flesh out Riddleport for future use (I'm hoping to set my NaNoWriMo there). Some of the more art-inclined are helping create open content art pieces for various NPCs. Its really coming along nicely, and we will be breaking 700 articles soon!
I try to mix things up with the articles I put in as a way of covering all the major bases and trying to make it as comprehensive resource as I can to encourage others to participate in editing as well. To be honest, though, having people specialize in adding and editing content to their specific interests is what will make the wiki really start to grow exponentially. So if you are running a campaign or really interested by a certain nation or race or whatever, the prep time you're already putting in takes little extra time to pop that info into a new article on the wiki, and the rest of the community can then add to it from there.
As for learning the wikitext language, it does take time, and I hope that people give it a chance, cause it's a pretty shallow learning curve. And at the very least, writing plain text into an article is better than nothing. I or others more experienced in the ways of the wiki can quickly make the necessary adjustments to get internal linking, citations and templates up and running.
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And at the very least, writing plain text into an article is better than nothing. I or others more experienced in the ways of the wiki can quickly make the necessary adjustments to get internal linking, citations and templates up and running.
Just make sure you note the resource and the page number, so we can properly note the book.
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Honestly for the most part, I'm a fan of new material, but what I would like to see (probably as seperate from the new MM you guys put out) is a Chronicles book that has every monster you've made to date, updated for pathfinder rules in 2009. The reason I say seperate from the MM you put out, is because the MM will have most of its space taken up by the normal MM monsters. The chronicles book should be all the monsters you've made that haven't been updated in the MM. That's two monster books and I know I would buy both and I'm sure others would too.
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I think you should have one on the website. Hint, hint.
I've got to give them credit, they've done a lot of stuff right.
Heh.
I was suggesting that to James Jacobs in the chat a few weeks ago. A set of indexes like that for monsters, feats, and other new material would be quite useful. Even if it winds up on the wiki, as long as it has the reference points needed. The biggest issue would that would be any flavor text that is not OGL. (Such as feats that refer to specific Golarion nations.)|
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Honestly for the most part, I'm a fan of new material, but what I would like to see (probably as seperate from the new MM you guys put out) is a Chronicles book that has every monster you've made to date, updated for pathfinder rules in 2009. The reason I say seperate from the MM you put out, is because the MM will have most of its space taken up by the normal MM monsters. The chronicles book should be all the monsters you've made that haven't been updated in the MM. That's two monster books and I know I would buy both and I'm sure others would too.
A book that updates the monsters from Pathfinder and the modules would be pretty huge. Even though the art and words are paid for... it's still a big printing bill. As a result, it's unlikely to come out near the release of the PF RPG (which is very likely to have a few monsters from PF and the modules anyway). SO. If we DO do a big compilation book of PF monsters, don't expect it in 2009.
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I was suggesting that to James Jacobs in the chat a few weeks ago. A set of indexes like that for monsters, feats, and other new material would be quite useful. Even if it winds up on the wiki, as long as it has the reference points needed. The biggest issue would that would be any flavor text that is not OGL. (Such as feats that refer to specific Golarion nations.)
Assuming that some day we have the time to create a list or lists like that and put them up on the website (and eventually, I'd LOVE to do that, so it's probably only a matter of time)... it'll very likely be quite similar to the WotC online lists. Name, source, page number. MAYBE with an added short line of descriptive text. I don't want to put up entire stat blocks just because they're OGL. Remember: OGL doesn't = Free.
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As a result, it's unlikely to come out near the release of the PF RPG (which is very likely to have a few monsters from PF and the modules anyway).
I'm happy to wait patiently for most of the new monsters, but I'd like to go on record again as saying Paizo's goblins are pretty darn iconic, so they need to have the associated and thus partly iconic Goblin Dog included in any official bestiary the Goblins appear in. Just like Kobolds and Slurks.
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I don't want to put up entire stat blocks just because they're OGL. Remember: OGL doesn't = Free.
Oh, definitely not. Just enough so people know what new material exists, where it can be found, and have at least a vague idea of what it is.
I used the WotC indexes a LOT when doing adventure revue for the RPGA. especially when you start hitting the sheer number of new elements in different without reprinting them in a single sourcebook, it becomes very daunting for someone to figure out where they saw your stuff.
Right now, Paizo has created:
14 new alternate class abilities in 4 different books
8 new deities (with domains) in 3 different books
4 enhanced summoning lists in 4 different books
1 new trick in 1 book
83 new feats in 16 different books
6 types of the new Trait mechanic in 2 different books
67 new pieces of equipment in 13 different books
1 new combat option in 1 book
12 "new" domains in 1 book
30 new spells in 7 different books
6 new poisons in 4 different books
4 new diseases in 4 different books
8 new prestige classes in 5 different books
92 new magic items in way over 20 different books
4 new relics in 2 different books
23 new minor artifacts in 15 different books
10 new major artifact in 4 different books
128 new monsters and monster variants in 30 different books
Even with a bunch of those consolidated in the Campaign Setting book, that is a LOT of new stuff spread out over 37 books, with more coming. Plus I expect I missed a few things here and there.
Of course, all of that would easily fill a whole book for conversion to PFRPG. ;)
Oh, definitely not. Just enough so people know what new material exists, where it can be found, and have at least a vague idea of what it is.
Hearken to the dude with the tentacles!
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Oh, definitely not. Just enough so people know what new material exists, where it can be found, and have at least a vague idea of what it is.
I used the WotC indexes a LOT when doing adventure revue for the RPGA. especially when you start hitting the sheer number of new elements in different without reprinting them in a single sourcebook, it becomes very daunting for someone to figure out where they saw your stuff.
Right now, Paizo has created:A LOT OF STUFF
Even with a bunch of those consolidated in the Campaign Setting book, that is a LOT of new stuff spread out over 37 books, with more coming. Plus I expect I missed a few things here and there.
Of course, all of that would easily fill a whole book for conversion to PFRPG. ;)
This is what I'd love the PathfinderWiki to be...somewhere that there's no crunch, but that people can search both for a specific item and also get some basic context of how it fits in the world so that they can then go to the right product (and buy it from Paizo) and add it to their campaign. Maintaining a running list is a ton of work, especially with three new books coming out every month.
If people are really interested in tracking all this, I (biasedly) suggest contributing to the wiki with whatever you've compiled thus far.
If people are really interested in tracking all this, I (biasedly) suggest contributing to the wiki with whatever you've compiled thus far.
And the guy with the whiskers.
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Honestly for the most part, I'm a fan of new material, but what I would like to see (probably as seperate from the new MM you guys put out) is a Chronicles book that has every monster you've made to date, updated for pathfinder rules in 2009. The reason I say seperate from the MM you put out, is because the MM will have most of its space taken up by the normal MM monsters. The chronicles book should be all the monsters you've made that haven't been updated in the MM. That's two monster books and I know I would buy both and I'm sure others would too.A book that updates the monsters from Pathfinder and the modules would be pretty huge. Even though the art and words are paid for... it's still a big printing bill. As a result, it's unlikely to come out near the release of the PF RPG (which is very likely to have a few monsters from PF and the modules anyway). SO. If we DO do a big compilation book of PF monsters, don't expect it in 2009.
Really, it would be that large? I guess since all I have are the APs I look at how big the pile is (granted there'll be at least another years worth in between ) and I didn't get that impression, you'd know better than I will. Still even if it didn't come out till mid 2010 I'd buy it because I'd love to be able to run all my APs and by then modules with updated Pathfinder monsters. Which I wouldn't be able to do with just the updated MM since a lot of that space would be reprinted OGL material.
On an OT note, does anyone know where I can get a copy of Tome of Horrors other than RPGdrivethru because I can never get that site to work for me. I can't find it on the paize site but I see it refrenced in some of my APs particularly the Bunyip.
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Really, it would be that large? I guess since all I have are the APs I look at how big the pile is (granted there'll be at least another years worth in between ) and I didn't get that impression, you'd know better than I will. Still even if it didn't come out till mid 2010 I'd buy it because I'd love to be able to run all my APs and by then modules with updated Pathfinder monsters. Which I wouldn't be able to do with just the updated MM since a lot of that space would be reprinted OGL material.
On an OT note, does anyone know where I can get a copy of Tome of Horrors other than RPGdrivethru because I can never get that site to work for me. I can't find it on the paize site but I see it refrenced in some of my APs particularly the Bunyip.
Well... we'd retain the 2 page format, I suspect, that we're doing currently. And since there's over 100 monsters... that puts us well over 200 pages.
Really, it would be that large? I guess since all I have are the APs I look at how big the pile is (granted there'll be at least another years worth in between ) and I didn't get that impression, you'd know better than I will. Still even if it didn't come out till mid 2010 I'd buy it because I'd love to be able to run all my APs and by then modules with updated Pathfinder monsters. Which I wouldn't be able to do with just the updated MM since a lot of that space would be reprinted OGL material.
On an OT note, does anyone know where I can get a copy of Tome of Horrors other than RPGdrivethru because I can never get that site to work for me. I can't find it on the paize site but I see it refrenced in some of my APs particularly the Bunyip.
Well... we'd retain the 2 page format, I suspect, that we're doing currently. And since there's over 100 monsters... that puts us well over 200 pages.
How about an updatable Monster PDF Website. Every time Paizo creates a new monster, they add to it. This could be similar to what Paizo did when they updated the Alpha and Beta releases of PRPG. For a small subscription fee, you can download the updated book whenever Paizo says there has been an addition.
Oh yeah... So. This isn't going to be pretty, 'cause my HTML-fu is weak, but by volume, here's the complete run of monsters that have appeared up through Pathfinder #13 (with their CRs). Expect a longer, sexier list to appear on the blog later this week.
Pathfinder 1
Attic Whisperer 4
Giant Gecko 1
Goblin Dog 1
Goblin Snake 1
Sandpoint Devil 8
Sinspawn 2
Pathfinder 2
Boggard 2
Carrionstorm 1
Faceless Stalker 4
Lamia, Matriarch 8
Lyrakien 2
Revenant 6
Pathfinder 3
Argorth 11
Mother of Oblivion 15
Ogrekin +2
Skull Ripper 9
Smoke Haunt 4
Totenmaske 7
Pathfinder 4
Deathweb 6
Hound of Tindalos 7
Redcap 6
Runeslave +0
Scanderig 10
Shining Child of Thassilon 12
Taiga Giant 10
Pathfinder 5
Demon, Shemhazian 14
Ercinee 4
Marsh Gaint 8
Night Monarch 15
Witchfire 9
Yethazmari 15
Pathfinder 6
Crag Spider 8
Denizen of Leng 8
Lamia, Harridan 12
Lamia, Hungerer 15
Lamia, Kuchrima 8
Rune Gaint 14
Wendigo 17
Pathfinder 7
Carrion Golem 4
Devilfish 4
Doll, Soulbound 2
Dream Spider 1/2
Raktavarna 3
Reefclaw 1
Pathfinder 8
Daemon, Leukodaemon 9
Daughter of Urgathoa 8
Giant Fly 1
Giant Maggot 1/2
Lawgiver 15
Nosferatu +2
Pathfinder 9
Achaekek, The Mantis God 30
Beatific One 9
Rajput Ambari 7
Rakshasa Maharajah 18
Sikari Macaque Swarm 5
Pathfinder 10
Bonestorm 8
Cinder Wolf 2
Havero 24
Red Reaver 13
Pathfinder 11
Chained Spirit 14 11
Danse Macabre 14 11
Gug 10 11
The Prince in Chains 15 11
Umbral Dragon Varies 11
Pathfinder 12
Akaruzug 14
Devil, Belier; Bdellavritra 16
Devil, Contract; Phistophilus 10
Mobogo 10
Pathfinder 13
Darklands Sentinel 2
Flesh-Eating Cockroach Swarm 1
Fungal Crawler 3
Monstrous Cockroach 1/2
Swamp Barracuda 2
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Oh yeah... So. This isn't going to be pretty, 'cause my HTML-fu is weak, but by volume, here's the complete run of monsters that have appeared up through Pathfinder #13 (with their CRs). Expect a longer, sexier list to appear on the blog later this week.
Thanks, Wes! We're in the process of getting this, as well as the monsters from the modules up in a nice table on the wiki. I'll post a link once it's presentable.
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The complete list is currently available on the wiki here. It includes type/subtype information, as well as sources, for all new monsters from both the Adventure Paths and modules. If there are any errors, feel free to correct them. It is, after all, a collaborative resource.
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Nice to see the list (with previews!!!!) in the blog today, Wes. Thanks a bunch. Can't help but wonder, though, which of the new monsters from PF14 are the funny blue tentacly dog things on the cover? Are those the akata?
Nice to see the list (with previews!!!!) in the blog today, Wes. Thanks a bunch. Can't help but wonder, though, which of the new monsters from PF14 are the funny blue tentacly dog things on the cover? Are those the akata?
No problem! I keep that pretty well updated so if you ever wanta compare notes just give me a yell.
And yeah, akata... or, since Sarah thinks the head tentacles make them look like dreadlocks (and this is just between you and me of course), Doobie Dogs. Yeah, art directors have a special talent for mocking and ruining things we think are cool.
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And yeah, akata... or, since Sarah thinks the head tentacles make them look like dreadlocks (and this is just between you and me of course), Doobie Dogs. Yeah, art directors have a special talent for mocking and ruining things we think are cool.
We could sick a few of them on her. That might change her mind.
The Doob...er, akata were the ones posted accidentally on the blog one morning?
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If you just want a list of everything that's shown up in PF so far, remind me in the morning and I can post it. I've got it at the office... where I'm not right now. Want it alphabetized or by CR?What?!? You mean you don't have a cot in the warehouse so you can live, breath, eat, and sleep Paizo. ;)
I think you're thinking about Google. Except they give you a california king size bed :)
