The Red Dragon's Interview


4th Edition

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Wylie sets his trap.

Liberty's Edge

HRRRRRRMMMM......ACME FEYWILD GREAT WHEEL REPLACEMENT KIT.....HRRRMMMM.....


The Feywild was actually one of the ideas that sounded like it might be interesting...it made me think of Lord Dunsany-type fantasy. But if it is like that, it seems an odd thing to shoehorn into FR. Why not just build a new setting for a new system? The novel$?

Vigilant Seal

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

I thought it was the least funny of the cartoons so far. I'm not even sure of it was suppose to be humorous, it was so flat.

But, I do appreciate seeing the fanboys get reduced to fawning, easy-to-kill toadies, the haters get buried under a mountain of dragon dung.

Liberty's Edge

Heathansson wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:
So dragons in 4E are going to have a special 'poop' attack then? :-?
I thought the dragon dropped his PHB.

i get it...now that's funny.

The Exchange

rockfall22 wrote:
TigerDave wrote:
Lazaro wrote:
Latest 4th Edition cartoon
Nice. Well, they DID say they didn't need anyone who didn't "toe the party line" ...
Got a link to that quote? Cite your source?

I would, but I'm not going to waste the time retreading old news. If you want you can start with the podcasts and work your way through all the various media material.

While I adhere to the "if you can't supply the source your observation is not correct" I don't think this thread, or this discussion, warrants my wasting any more time on it than I have.

Sorry if that comes across harsh, but I don't consider the 4E Rocks / 4E Sucks debate worth continuing. I play BOTH 4E and Pathfinder. I'm just not amused by WotC's continued moronic approach to business any more - they're so sure that the D&D brand is so powerful ... Meh. Enough said. Enjoy your night.


I didn't find it offensive, I didn't find it mature and I didn't find it original.

It was mildly entertaining though (mainly the dragon and the orphanage).

But that seems par for the course with these cartoons.

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

Charles Evans 25 wrote:
So dragons in 4E are going to have a special 'poop' attack then? :-?

It varies between being a daily and encounter power, depending on what they have eaten recently.

Sovereign Court

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

I'd be interested to discover if any Hasbro shareholders out there consider this latest cartoon was money well invested?

Yes, they could probably spend the money they did on those on improving the quality of their products, and I dunno ... write a decent adventure for a change ?

The ones I recently read (for 3.5 admittedly) have been severely lacking on several aspects.


It all makes sense now!

Remember when they told us to go watch the clouds if we didn't like the new edition?!?!

Well, apparently, they were trying to warn us about falling dragon poop.

Thank, you WotC!

The Exchange

DaveMage wrote:
Remember when they told us to go watch the clouds if we didn't like the new edition?!?!

no


Perhaps... We shouldn't take this so seriously?

Dark Archive

yoda8myhead wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:
So dragons in 4E are going to have a special 'poop' attack then? :-?
It varies between being a daily and encounter power, depending on what they have eaten recently.

How will a Dragon with such a large and long digestive tract be able to use this poop attack as an encounter power?

Nah, that clearly is a daily.

On the other hand, if it uses a strong laxative as an implement the dragon might be able to use it as an encounter power!

There might even be an extra racial feat that makes it a poop burst attack!


Charles Evans 25 wrote:
So dragons in 4E are going to have a special 'poop' attack then? :-?

Is this an attack against Fortitude or Will?

I know that if I was pooped on by a dragon, it would definitely affect my resolve.


TigerDave wrote:
rockfall22 wrote:
TigerDave wrote:
Lazaro wrote:
Latest 4th Edition cartoon
Nice. Well, they DID say they didn't need anyone who didn't "toe the party line" ...
Got a link to that quote? Cite your source?

I would, but I'm not going to waste the time retreading old news. If you want you can start with the podcasts and work your way through all the various media material.

While I adhere to the "if you can't supply the source your observation is not correct" I don't think this thread, or this discussion, warrants my wasting any more time on it than I have.

Sorry if that comes across harsh, but I don't consider the 4E Rocks / 4E Sucks debate worth continuing. I play BOTH 4E and Pathfinder. I'm just not amused by WotC's continued moronic approach to business any more - they're so sure that the D&D brand is so powerful ... Meh. Enough said. Enjoy your night.

Assurances that you have evidence, but can't be bothered to provide it are equivalent to a lack of evidence. But you already know that, or you wouldn't have bothered posting your long-winded explanation of why you're being brief.

Come to think of it....why *DID* you bother to come back and post if it is such a waste of your time?

Liberty's Edge

I watched it again, and it still wasn't funny. It's unfunnier than The Donny and Marie Show. Purple socks.....ahahahaha!

Dark Archive Owner - Johnny Scott Comics and Games

I'm a little bit country...


Heathansson wrote:
I watched it again, and it still wasn't funny. It's unfunnier than The Donny and Marie Show. Purple socks.....ahahahaha!

I don't want to ever ... EVER hear you insult Donny or Marie EVER again! Got that puppy?


crosswiredmind wrote:
DaveMage wrote:
Remember when they told us to go watch the clouds if we didn't like the new edition?!?!
no

Me either. I do, however, remember a cloud watching analogy being made about how those complaining about aspects of the new system with insignificant contextual information were wasting their time. But that won't stop people here from claiming they were told to "go watch the clouds if we didn't like the new edition."

Unfortunately, the 4E hate on Paizo's board is at an all time high. As much as I'd dared to hope that things would calm down and this would become the great place it used to be (and apparently still is; as long as you don't want to talk about 4E sans thread craps). But it just hasn't happened. In fact, the only reason I'm still here at all is because I'm waiting to see the new GSL (assuming there still will *be* a new GSL in light of recent events) before I throw my support behind WoTC. If they drop the ball on the GSL a second time, I'm probably done with RPGs for the time being. Paizo isn't making the products I want, and I can't in good conscience support those who *are* unless they act with some integrity.

Yuck.


Sweet! I killed the thread. Do I get a tag for that? <Threadkiller> or something? ;-)

Grand Lodge

Yup, it's already appended. It's just, y'know, invisible. :-)

Liberty's Edge

Naah, we just like to stick and move. If not, WOTC's divart'y might draw a bead on us. What's next, otyugh poo?

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Oh, you guys got sucked back in.

Here is a disappointing bait and switch:
Jedi Class.

Liberty's Edge

No lightsabers? What's the point?


Heathansson wrote:
No lightsabers? What's the point?

Exactly. I want lightsabers for my foes and mind-tricks for my fiancee.

Liberty's Edge

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:


Exactly. I want lightsabers for my foes and mind-tricks for my fiancee.

Oh s!!~. You need Jabba class then.

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Heathansson wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:


Exactly. I want lightsabers for my foes and mind-tricks for my fiancee.
Oh s!*@. You need Jabba class then.

I think Jawas actually rule the galaxy - and even if they don't I still wanna be one.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
crosswiredmind wrote:


I think Jawas actually rule the galaxy - and even if they don't I still wanna be one.

*Points to crosswiredmind accusingly*

JAWA LOVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dragnmoon wrote:
crosswiredmind wrote:


I think Jawas actually rule the galaxy - and even if they don't I still wanna be one.

*Points to crosswiredmind accusingly*

JAWA LOVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude - their eyes glow. That so totally rocks.

Besides, I still hate Ewoks.


crosswiredmind wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
crosswiredmind wrote:


I think Jawas actually rule the galaxy - and even if they don't I still wanna be one.

*Points to crosswiredmind accusingly*

JAWA LOVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude - their eyes glow. That so totally rocks.

Besides, I still hate Ewoks.

Agreed on both counts.

Scarab Sages

Darn stormtrooper killing teddy bears **grrr**

Dark Archive

I was disapointed that none of the kobolds were named Meepo.

Grand Lodge

Too much continuity.


I was so amused that I watched it multiple times. As a matter of fact, I am going to watch it again in typical kobold fashion (see fanboy reference). The troll is the best part of the entire cartoon and the orphanage but as someone said before it should have been a GNOME orphanage to make it more iconic to the current "travesty" that is the lost of the gnome in the PHB.


Arcmagik wrote:
I was so amused that I watched it multiple times. As a matter of fact, I am going to watch it again in typical kobold fashion (see fanboy reference). The troll is the best part of the entire cartoon and the orphanage but as someone said before it should have been a GNOME orphanage to make it more iconic to the current "travesty" that is the lost of the gnome in the PHB.

I think it would be awesome if someone decided to create an interview-inspired group of kobold dragon-worshipers to fill out their next dragon lair.


I have not read this but have seen the vid..yet another dumb move on wotc's part instead of trying to get me to give it a try they call everyone not worshiping them and saying negative things trolls and s@&$ on them. not fuuny and bad PR.


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I have not read this but have seen the vid..yet another dumb move on wotc's part instead of trying to get me to give it a try they call everyone not worshiping them and saying negative things trolls and s&!% on them. not fuuny and bad PR.

Watch it again. Now ask yourself, are you a troll purposefully polluting someone else's forums with nonsense that can only be called criticism in the loosest sense of the word? If not, they're not making fun of you.


There's good RPG humor such as the gamers and order of the stick. But this...

I didn't even get the chance to crack a smile.

Contributor

Craig Shackleton wrote:
As someone playing 3.5, Pathfinder, and 4E, I'm offended by the treatment of MTV DJ's.

Word.

And it's VJs. Sheesh...Canadians. ;-)

Contributor

Scott Betts wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I have not read this but have seen the vid..yet another dumb move on wotc's part instead of trying to get me to give it a try they call everyone not worshiping them and saying negative things trolls and s&!% on them. not fuuny and bad PR.
Watch it again. Now ask yourself, are you a troll purposefully polluting someone else's forums with nonsense that can only be called criticism in the loosest sense of the word? If not, they're not making fun of you.

Yeah, but really, why make fun of anyone. Just seems petty to me.


Hoo boy another thread on this! Well, in the interest of being redundant and flagellating the corpses of equines I will give you my advice on dealing with your hurt feelings:

1) Email whoever deals with customer service over there in WotC land. State that you are mortally offended by this video and you plan to never buy any of their products again.

2) Actually follow through with this threat.

3) Have a nice cup of Mountain Dew to reward yourself for actually impacting WotC in a fashion they care about.


Patrick Curtin wrote:

Hoo boy another thread on this! Well, in the interest of being redundant and flagellating the corpses of equines I will give you my advice on dealing with your hurt feelings:

1) Email whoever deals with customer service over there in WotC land. State that you are mortally offended by this video and you plan to never buy any of their products again.

2) Actually follow through with this threat.

3) Have a nice cup of Mountain Dew to reward yourself for actually impacting WotC in a fashion they care about.

Or travel to Seattle and fling poo at the WotC offices.


Vexer wrote:


Or travel to Seattle and fling poo at the WotC offices.

Meh. All that would accomplish is pissing off the folks that have to scrub the building. They have to do it anyway, why make more work for them? No one involved with the video will be down with a scrub brush. Kick 'em in their wallet sez I.


Nicolas Logue wrote:


Word.

And it's VJs. Sheesh...Canadians. ;-)

I'm mortally offended!!1!11!!111!

Nicolas Logue wrote:


Yeah, but really, why make fun of anyone. Just seems petty to me.

Now I'm just confused.

Subtle British humour learned at the feet of Prett, maybe?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Nicolas Logue wrote:


Word.

And it's VJs. Sheesh...Canadians. ;-)

I'm mortally offended!!1!11!!111!

Nicolas Logue wrote:


Yeah, but really, why make fun of anyone. Just seems petty to me.

Now I'm just confused.

Subtle British humour learned at the feet of Prett, maybe?

It starts with the humour. Soon we'll be having him drink tea without ice and putting 'u's back into words like 'colour'.

Dark Archive

Pah they call that poo flinging? I shall show them

*goes over to cage filled with flying monkies and opens it*

Now fly my pets FLY!!!! Muhahahahahahaha

Contributor

Paul Watson wrote:
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Nicolas Logue wrote:


Word.

And it's VJs. Sheesh...Canadians. ;-)

I'm mortally offended!!1!11!!111!

Nicolas Logue wrote:


Yeah, but really, why make fun of anyone. Just seems petty to me.

Now I'm just confused.

Subtle British humour learned at the feet of Prett, maybe?

It starts with the humour. Soon we'll be having him drink tea without ice and putting 'u's back into words like 'colour'.

Another spot of milk, if you please! :-)

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Nicolas Logue wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Nicolas Logue wrote:


Word.

And it's VJs. Sheesh...Canadians. ;-)

I'm mortally offended!!1!11!!111!

Nicolas Logue wrote:


Yeah, but really, why make fun of anyone. Just seems petty to me.

Now I'm just confused.

Subtle British humour learned at the feet of Prett, maybe?

It starts with the humour. Soon we'll be having him drink tea without ice and putting 'u's back into words like 'colour'.
Another spot of milk, if you please! :-)

Certainly, old chap. Glad to oblige. Perhaps a game of cricket afterwards? ;-)


Samuel Weiss wrote:
It is not a question of it being funny or not. It is a question of a marketing piece so overtly mocking its customers, be they critics or supporters. It is not even good-natured humor.

I think Sam is dead-on here.

They've further pissed off a segment of their market, with no conceivable benefit for themselves. Either they did it knowingly or they did it unwittingly -- either scenario makes them out to be idiots.

A competent staff would be trying to make nice with customers, not the opposite.


Tatterdemalion wrote:
Samuel Weiss wrote:
It is not a question of it being funny or not. It is a question of a marketing piece so overtly mocking its customers, be they critics or supporters. It is not even good-natured humor.

I think Sam is dead-on here.

They've further pissed off a segment of their market, with no conceivable benefit for themselves. Either they did it knowingly or they did it unwittingly -- either scenario makes them out to be idiots.

A competent staff would be trying to make nice with customers, not the opposite.

It depends whether annoying one segment of a market can be done to ingratiate them with a much bigger segment, and persuade that segment that these are guys they want to hang out with and to spend their money on their products.

I don't know if that actually works as a marketing strategy, but it's conceivable that it might do, at least short-term.

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