Hello RPG-friends,
I am new here in this community, first of all I want to thank Paizo that it doesn't went the way WotC did with the 4ed! Since my worst case scenario become truth, I was a lost soul and didn't visit any more the WotC homepage and communities there!
But nevermind...I found now a new sweet home and I am realy happy with it! I found since a week ago you all 8).
Personally, I still like 3.5 even if it has it's bugged combat features. The concept of redefining the "good 3.5 D&D" for my opinion has it's exceptional advantages but also some small disadvantages ;P!
I am as well player as dm! But currently we play 4ed. bcuz one of my dear best friends is a 4ed. enthusiast :P and dm'ing!!!
Well even if for me 4ed. suxx a bit, I still want to play with my friends...but I will never ever dm'ing 4ed.
SO THANKS AGAIN for future uses of my 3.x books/accessories and the new books in my library that will fit as soon as possible via Paizo!
I liked the Dragons and the Dungeon Magazines...so this will be still quite awesome!
Enough of introducing myself and up to my topic "what I would like to see" eventualy further.
1st.
I thought since the book: "Tome of Battle (Book of Nine Swords)" has came out, nonspellcaster Classes have become quite good. The complain about wizards & sorcerers are much more powerful at higher levels than nonspellcaster classes by the fact that they feel useless should have an end!
2nd.
So why not taking the concept of Tome of Battle and fit it also at least as an optional rule to the core classes, not as powerful maybe as the (Crusader,Swordsage & Warblade) but at least each core (PHB,PHB2 class) could have a small selection of maneuvers known, maneuvers per day, and stances known from 1 or 2 maneuver schools from that book.
An example could be the barbarian: the rage point system could be revised to maneuvers!
3rd.
Personally I would make an option like the core classes (nonspellcasters) Barbarian, Fighter, Monk, Rogue can choose 3 from 5 maneuver schools which they can pick from!
Spellcasters with low spellcasting ability like Paladin, Ranger, Bard can choose 1 from 3 maneuver schools which they can pick from!
And full spellcasters don't have maneuvers available except if they would multiclass to such core classes, take a special feat to learn one maneuver, or take up a prc's presented in ToB!
An example could be the monk: he could have access to the maneuver schools => devoted spirit, diamond mind, setting sun, tiger claw, white raven ... and could select maneuvers and stances from 3 of those schools!
4th.
I would also appreciate to generalize an optional rule to the vancian spell system.(...if not even to make it core) I still like the vancian but an optional thing could be useful for people who want a little difference.
Something like a Mana Point System (a mix of the Spell Point System included in Unearthed Arcane "BUT not so powerful" and the Bonus Power Point System for psionics in the Expanded Psionics Handbook). The concept how psionics work as you know are described in EPH and are more than potent to fit in the entire PFrpg.
Well Arcane Magic and Psionics are for my opinion two different things...but generize their mechanics would be an immense of "save time"
5th.
I have written something for my upcoming PFrpg test session which will include the Mana Point Spell System. One personal writing of myself how am I looking to the use of magic and how I will introduce it to my player buddies!
***Each spell is part of the pure willpower of a spellcaster, and Mana is the pure energy that flows through their mind,
veines and whole body to control it. But each mind has also it's limit, so if a spellcaster continues to cast spells during
the day and consumes up to a special amount of his Mana he won't benefit from it!***
Yes it was a long text...thank you for reading...I thank for replies.
bye and until soon
ultimate_illusionist
Hi again...please try to read the above text if possible and when you have enough time...I would appreciate any thoughts and answers.
Thank you very much.
These boards are pretty slow. Give it time to get responses.
Those are a lot of rules that would need to be tested before it was standardized. No doubt, I hope you use these rules with your Pathfinder to see how well they work and let us know. :)
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I wouldn't get your hopes up about some of your suggestions being included - for the most part the rules are set until playtesting on the Beta begins sometime later this month.
As well, I think Paizo has said a few times that a magic point system or some type of martial power system would not be a design goal. But you should be happy to know that such systems from other d20 games or Unearthed Arcana should be compatable with Pathfinder. Your suggestions are very specific changes.
Welcome to the boards!
You can always apply the changes yourself, but the Book of Nine Swords is probably not part of the OGL...
These boards are pretty slow. Give it time to get responses.
Those are a lot of rules that would need to be tested before it was standardized. No doubt, I hope you use these rules with your Pathfinder to see how well they work and let us know. :)
Of course I will use this rules to see how they will fit...in about two or three weeks I will run the test session! I will let you know step by step if they work well or not!
I wouldn't get your hopes up about some of your suggestions being included - for the most part the rules are set until playtesting on the Beta begins sometime later this month.
As well, I think Paizo has said a few times that a magic point system or some type of martial power system would not be a design goal. But you should be happy to know that such systems from other d20 games or Unearthed Arcana should be compatable with Pathfinder. Your suggestions are very specific changes.
Welcome to the boards!
Thank you for your comment and welcoming me :D !
Well if they don't include such features it is as you said no very big deal to convert the classes and date it up for the martial power system from tome of battle...just would be cool if PFrgp Book include a designer note or at least a short suggestion about it!Greets
ultimate_illusionist
You can always apply the changes yourself, but the Book of Nine Swords is probably not part of the OGL...
Yea, the Bo9S isn't OGL so Paizo can't use it (or the maneuver system as stated in that book). However, there is no reason why you can't use that book with some minor changes (CMB, for example) in a Pathfinder RPG game.
Well if they don't include such features it is as you said no very big deal to convert the classes and date it up for the martial power system from tome of battle...just would be cool if PFrgp Book include a designer note or at least a short suggestion about it!
I don't know if designer notes discussing specifics about WotC classes is even possible. I would guess not, but the Paizians would know better. The design goal of changing the core classes is to make those classes more attractive for 20 levels of play. With most later classes, players tend to take less PrCs. Core classes seldom get to level 10 before 1 or 2 PrCs are taken. And yes some core classes did get a power boost but that is to more even then out with their later book equivilents.
So if anything, it should fit better for a Pathfinder Fighter taking feats and such out of Bo9S. Or having a class out of Bo9S in a PFRPG game is also certainly ok.
Welcome to the Boards.
My comment is this: even if you're using the Pathfinder RPG, you can still use the Tome of Battle (for maneuvers and base classes) and Unearthed Arcana (for the magic point system). I don't see a compelling reason for Paizo to try to add the content of those two books into its core rules.
You can always apply the changes yourself, but the Book of Nine Swords is probably not part of the OGL...Yea, the Bo9S isn't OGL so Paizo can't use it (or the maneuver system as stated in that book). However, there is no reason why you can't use that book with some minor changes (CMB, for example) in a Pathfinder RPG game.
Would be interested what source of copyright is than the book ToB??? No OGL what else?
And the fact to use CMB sounds to me great...but I have currently no idea how I could implement that without interfering in the CMB game mechanics and confusing my players!Well for me not as problematic (house rules) as for Paizo, because you mentioned that they can't use it!
Thanks for your comment :)!
Welcome ultimate_illusionist to our community! I am so very glad you share our enthusiasm and support for PAIZO.
thank you very much, I appreciate that realy!
My comment is this: even if you're using the Pathfinder RPG, you can still use the Tome of Battle (for maneuvers and base classes) and Unearthed Arcana (for the magic point system). I don't see a compelling reason for Paizo to try to add the content of those two books into its core rules.
About the Magic Point System you could be right, it can still be a house rule each DM can choose to use in his campaign! And about the use of Maneuvers...well I would use them of course, but the thing is that with a standard maneuver system for nonspellcasters...excuse the next text: "the complain and moron cries would have once and for all an end" and the second benefit would be:
1st lvl fighter -> 20th lvl fighter = 1st lvl wizard -> 20th lvl wizard
perhaps.
A fighter (player) would never turn again back and cry to the dm..."wtf I can't do anything and our mage is owning the whole enmity...he's definitely overpowered!"
So give the fighters some maneuvers from some schools, give him restrictions which schools he can choose and what maneuvers he can learn, don't give him more as the warblade has, maybe 1/2 as much or 1/3 and you are fine!
greets
ultimate_illusionist
Would be interested what source of copyright is than the book ToB??? No OGL what else?
Of all the books in 3.5, only 2 are OGL: Unearthed Arcana and MM2. All the rest are not OGL. Not even the PHB, MM1, and DMG are OGL.
And the fact to use CMB sounds to me great...but I have currently no idea how I could implement that without interfering in the CMB game mechanics and confusing my players!
Just tell them you'd like to try a new mechanic and if they don't like it you guys don't have to do it again. Pass out sheets with the CMB detailed out and how it relates to bull rush, disarm, grapple, etc. Give it a shot. Worst that will happen is you go back to the 3.5 PHB.
Of all the books in 3.5, only 2 are OGL: Unearthed Arcana and MM2.Ulp! Quick aside, MM2 is not OGL. It reprints two Necromancer Games monsters and they are open but the rest of the book (WotC's monsters) is not. FYI!
And, ultimate_illusionist, WELCOME to Paizo's boards!
-DM Jeff
I thought MM2 had an OGL in the back. Atleast it should if they had some Necro monsters in there. The rest of the monsters aren't open content, but the book should still have an OGL, yes?
What I could try for the CMB for example is to use the value also for having a number of maneuvers known, maneuvers readied and stances known:
the formula should be something like this:
base attack bonus + primary attribute + size modifier : 2 (Melee = Str, Ranged = Dex)
(for maneuvers known) [minimum 1]
base attack bonus + primary attribute + size modifier : 4
(for maneuvers readied) [minimum 1]
base attack bonus + primary attribute + size modifier : 8
(for stances known) [minimum 1]
so a 20th level human fighter with a strength score of 20 (no magic items can enhance this value for this CMB purpose) could have for example...
base attack bonus + primary attribute + size modifier
20 + 5 + 0 = 25
So a 20th level human fighter would have:
maneuvers known = 12 (rounded down)
maneuvers readied = 6 (rounded down)
stances known = 3 (rounded down)
Tell me your thoughts, I think it sounds valuable!
THX again for welcoming me ;) !!!
greets
ultimate_illusionist
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I thought MM2 had an OGL in the back. Atleast it should if they had some Necro monsters in there. The rest of the monsters aren't open content, but the book should still have an OGL, yes?
That's correct, the OGL in the back is for the 2 Necro monsters only. I didn't want to see another bizarre accident like what happened to Fast-Forward!
-DM Jeff
I didn't want to see another bizarre accident like what happened to Fast-Forward!
If someone's taking legal advise from an internet forum from someone who professes to not be a lawyer*, then they've got bigger issues.
*I'm not lawyer
Tell me your thoughts, I think it sounds valuable!
Wish I could help, but I don't own the Bo9S.
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To add to DM Jeff's comment, I'm fairly certain MM2 isn't generally OGL.
Correct, just the two Necro monsters. The rest is closed.
If someone's taking legal advise from an internet forum from someone who professes to not be a lawyer*, then they've got bigger issues.
Stranger things have happened. Isn't that how FF got into trouble in the first place? ;-)
-DM Jeff