Most of the city & country names in the Gazetteer look straight-foward, but a few are a bit weird.
Some of the names of NPCs are pretty strange too.
I'd love a final word(if it's possible) on when Chelaxian and Chelish need to be switched around too.
It has been given. Chelish is for people, Chelaxian is for things.
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It has been given. Chelish is for people, Chelaxian is for things.
I'd love a final word(if it's possible) on when Chelaxian and Chelish need to be switched around too.
A more accurate method (the one I've been using, anyway, and the one on the sticky note tacked to my cube wall) is:
Chelaxian is a noun. You can be a chelaxian. You can't have a chelaxian back rub.
Chelish is an adjective. You can't be a chelish. You can have a chelish back rub.
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It has been given. Chelish is for people, Chelaxian is for things.
I'd love a final word(if it's possible) on when Chelaxian and Chelish need to be switched around too.
A more accurate method (the one I've been using, anyway, and the one on the sticky note tacked to my cube wall) is:
Chelaxian is a noun. You can be a chelaxian. You can't have a chelaxian back rub.
Chelish is an adjective. You can't be a chelish. You can have a chelish back rub.
What about a Chelish happy ending.....
Come on! Like you didn't see that coming!
A more accurate method (the one I've been using, anyway, and the one on the sticky note tacked to my cube wall) is:
Chelaxian is a noun. You can be a chelaxian. You can't have a chelaxian back rub.
Chelish is an adjective. You can't be a chelish. You can have a chelish back rub.
I stand corrected.
I like this better anyway.
But tell me I'm not crazy when I say that I was just reporting what I heard from one of you guys (Chelish person, Chelaxian stuff)....
Why would you want to purposely squelch so many perfectly good gaming table arguments? Do you think we have a lot to talk about?I promise you that people will argue aboot pronunciation even if there IS a guide. ;)
How about we vote on how to pronounce them instead?
I promise you that people will argue about pronunciation even if there IS a guide. ;)
I remember vowing to never speak the word "drow" again after everyone at the table pointed and laughed at me the first time I ever went to a convention. Oddly, I pronounced it the same way Gygax did . . . but for the rest of the convention, I only referred to "those whom I though rhymed with plow," as dark elves.
Even though every time I said "dark elf" it made me think of Kurse from Thor.
But I digress.
Wait...it doesn't rhyme with plow? How are they saying it, Dare-o, or Dro? I say you are the normal one.
As an aside, pointing accompanied by laughing is considered a justification for stabbing here.
I remember vowing to never speak the word "drow" again after everyone at the table pointed and laughed at me the first time I ever went to a convention. Oddly, I pronounced it the same way Gygax did . . . but for the rest of the convention, I only referred to "those whom I though rhymed with plow," as dark elves.
Even though every time I said "dark elf" it made me think of Kurse from Thor.
But I digress.
No, no I agree.
Please add drow.
I've never laughed at a player, but my understand is
"How now, brown drow" rather than "drow, drow, drow your boat gently down the stream."
The conversation completely killed an entire session.
In the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting hardcover, we plan on including an appendix that is a pronunciation guide. So! What proper nouns have we thrown at you that you'd like to know how to say? I'm assuming all the gods needs to be on that list, but what else? :)
Forgive my ignorance, for I have not read most of the Pathfinder material and this may already have been done:
I would hazard a guess that those who created the languages of the Pathfinder world may have created a list of root-words and their definitions as well as definitions and pronunciations for complete words.
A guide to the root-words and the syntax of their combination would be useful for DMs who need to make new place and people names drawn from the appropriate languages that decidedly fit the world (or region). As a bonus, appropriate runic, pictographic and/or hieroglyphic equivalents for various words and root-words could also be provided.
There was an old Dragon magazine issue (can't remember which) that contained a brief example concerning dwarven runes that might be worth a glance for inspiration.
Wait...it doesn't rhyme with plow? How are they saying it, Dare-o, or Dro? I say you are the normal one.
As an aside, pointing accompanied by laughing is considered a justification for stabbing here.
Well, when I'm the DM, its drow-rhymes with plow . . . but I do think that's the first time I've ever been called "the normal one." Thanks!
I could have been traumatic, this being my first convention, but I was playing a skald (barbarian bard kit from 2nd edition), I was fresh out of my High School Speech Team, and I was hamming it up to the max, so I just rolled with it.
I was actually known to a fairly good number of the participants of that convention as "the singing barbarian," so overall it was a positive.
Back on the topic of this thread, any chance of getting Daemon listed as being pronounced DAY-mon? I know its not "traditional," but its how I've been doing it for years, just to avoid "demon" confusion.
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Thanks for the clarification guys.
I remember vowing to never speak the word "drow" again after everyone at the table pointed and laughed at me the first time I ever went to a convention. Oddly, I pronounced it the same way Gygax did . . . but for the rest of the convention, I only referred to "those whom I though rhymed with plow," as dark elves.
Wait, there are people that don't pronounce it like "plow"? Every time I've heard it said in real life and in games it's been pronounced like that.
Even though every time I said "dark elf" it made me think of Kurse from Thor.
But I digress.
I have a similar problem with saying "Thor".
I'm just saying, his worshipers should get a perk that lets them speak with "Norse font" and pseudo-Old English, giving bonuses to Diplomacy, Intimidate, and being awesome.
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Back on the topic of this thread, any chance of getting Daemon listed as being pronounced DAY-mon? I know its not "traditional," but its how I've been doing it for years, just to avoid "demon" confusion.
If I were writing the pronounciation guide part of the hardcover...
Drow would rhyme with bow. HA!
More seriously, drow would rhyme with cow or plow.
And yes; daemon should be pronounced "DAE-mon" when talking Pathfinder. If someone gets on your case and says that's not how the word's pronunced in Greek or Latin or whatever they think it's from originally, you reply by saying this: "Fortunately, that language is not one spoken on Golarion!"
Sarenrae. Please help. My players keep saying, "saran wrap?"
Saren-RAY? Suh-REN-ray? SAREN-ray?
For the love of all that is Holy (and Neutral Good), please tell us how to pronounce this!
I have a scimitar wielding dwarf in my Rise of the Runelords Campaign who would love to know how to pronounce the name of his deity...
Oh! And I second the request for "Eando." Is it, "Eee-AHN-doh" or "Een-doh" or what?
And yes; daemon should be pronounced "DAE-mon" when talking Pathfinder. If someone gets on your case and says that's not how the word's pronunced in Greek or Latin or whatever they think it's from originally, you reply by saying this: "Fortunately, that language is not one spoken on Golarion!"
It'll make the linux crowd happy.
Overheard on a bus in Ireland:
"Jhay-Zues. Why chahn't you speak fookin' English?"
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Not Anglish?
I'd like to see the names of the iconics in the guide, and maybe some of the big NPC's (Ileosa? Shalelu?), as well as a General Pronunciation guide to place names and personal names (if there is such a thing). The Deverry books had a good one of these, as do the Jhereg books. Default stressing of syllables and use of vowels, hard and soft consonants. Of course, yours is more difficult due to multiple cultures.
And of course, deities.
Oh yeah, and dais!
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Well, when I'm the DM, its drow-rhymes with plow . . . but I do think that's the first time I've ever been called "the normal one." Thanks!Wait...it doesn't rhyme with plow? How are they saying it, Dare-o, or Dro? I say you are the normal one.
As an aside, pointing accompanied by laughing is considered a justification for stabbing here.
Frank Mentzer's pronunciation guide from Dragon #93 says it can be pronounced either way, but more recent Sage Advice articles have firmly set the pronunciation at "drow," as in "plow now drow cow," rather than "droh."
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A more accurate method (the one I've been using, anyway, and the one on the sticky note tacked to my cube wall) is:
Chelaxian is a noun. You can be a chelaxian. You can't have a chelaxian back rub.
Chelish is an adjective. You can't be a chelish. You can have a chelish back rub.
So this is like Spanish/Spaniard (Chelish being Spanish and Chelaxian being Spaniard). This really helps. Thanks for the clarification!
David
Sarenrae. Please help. My players keep saying, "saran wrap?"Happens in my game too. They also call the deity, "Sun Ray" Its a shame. But then again this is the same group that turned a PC's name, Melkin, into Milk'n'Cookies. So I guess you get what you can work with.
In Reality Deviant's Blood Throne setting there's a forest called the Sarangak. When I was editing Hal Maclean's Blight Elves book I couldn't stop hearing it as Saran Wrap in my head.
I was bound with Saran Wrap once and aggressively frisked. Saran Rape is no laughing matter.
Frank Mentzer's pronunciation guide from Dragon #93 says it can be pronounced either way, but more recent Sage Advice articles have firmly set the pronunciation at "drow," as in "plow now drow cow," rather than "droh."Well, when I'm the DM, its drow-rhymes with plow . . . but I do think that's the first time I've ever been called "the normal one." Thanks!Wait...it doesn't rhyme with plow? How are they saying it, Dare-o, or Dro? I say you are the normal one.
As an aside, pointing accompanied by laughing is considered a justification for stabbing here.
Yes, but the issue 93 guide also got the pronounciation of Baba Yaga quite wrong. I still consider it the definitive guide though!
- Ashavan
Yes, but the issue 93 guide also got the pronounciation of Baba Yaga quite wrong. I still consider it the definitive guide though!- Ashavan
Baa-baa Yogga?
I'd say that places (at least major ones, like every capital, city over 100,000, and areas big enough to show on crude maps) should be there, or at least those that aren't obvious.
Plus, every continent, nation, and related stuff (Cheliax, chelish, chelaxian, and so on.)
By the way, things to avoid (like Chel) should be in there, too.
You can't have a chelaxian back rub.
Can, too. It's easy: first, catch a live chelaxian....
What about a Chelish happy ending.....
Come on! Like you didn't see that coming!
Only if you're into uber-lawfulness. ;)
Mm-mm... uber-lawfulness...
This involves shackles, doesn't it? I knew we had those around here for a reason...
Smurf?
Ss-merr-ff
Personally, I've always enjoyed being unique with my pronunciations. That way, I can add additional flavor by having PC's detect nationality based on how "they" pronounce things. For example, I have my dwarves pronounce the "j" in words as a "y."
If included, I'd rather prefer a general guide as the word is officially introduced in its main section. For example, if we're talking about a bestiary entry, then a phonetic representation in ()'s would suffice for me.
Other than that, I'm always delighted with the Pathfinders and all of the recent supplements so far. I have the guide to Korvosa, Monsters Revisted, and I think you all do a smashing job.
Sake is on me when you're in the area.
Personally, I've always enjoyed being unique with my pronunciations.
So you're the guy who says "Dunguins and Dregoons", "Bee-hol-dare", "drouwee", "Die Two Oo", "Willpower Savees", and "Rouge"????
I have a message for you from "everyone you ever met." It's "I hate you, please find a fatal disease and crawl into bed with it."
;-P
Personally, I've always enjoyed being unique with my pronunciations.So you're the guy who says "Dunguins and Dregoons", "Bee-hol-dare", "drouwee", "Die Two Oo", "Willpower Savees", and "Rouge"????
I have a message for you from "everyone you ever met." It's "I hate you, please find a fatal disease and crawl into bed with it."
;-P
Not quite. (Some of those are typos, btw, and not mispronunciations.)
What I meant to say was, for example, that when I came across "Seoni," I pronounced it "See-oh-knee" without regard to official guides.
As far as classic monsters, I was referring to something like "Nalfeshnee" where a handy reference in the dictionary isn't as easy to find as "goblin" would be. I would assume something like "Beholder" would be pronounced as spelled and referenced in the dictionary.
Personally, not everyone I've ever met wants me to die. I'm sorry that you're one of the few.
Not quite. (Some of those are typos, btw, and not mispronunciations.)
Not if you speak them aloud.
What I meant to say was, for example, that when I came across "Seoni," I pronounced it "See-oh-knee" without regard to official guides.
I know a lot of people who do that. With my last name. You'd think that there's no two ways to pronounce it, with an ie in it and all, but they always manage to pronounce it as a short i.
There's really a lot of those around. A whole lot. If they keep it up, I'll have to find a new place to hide the bodies.
Personally, not everyone I've ever met wants me to die. I'm sorry that you're one of the few.
What? I don't want you to die. I didn't meet you and hear you maliciously mispronounce my name ;-P
Sarenrae. Please help. My players keep saying, "saran wrap?"Happens in my game too. They also call the deity, "Sun Ray" Its a shame. But then again this is the same group that turned a PC's name, Melkin, into Milk'n'Cookies. So I guess you get what you can work with.
It doesn't matter. Nine times out of ten my wife will say Saran Wrap just because she knows it annoys me. I ran an adventure with pre-gens once and named one of them Philotomy Jurament for the nostalgia. She spent the whole damn session calling him Lobotomy Excrement.
I also had a PC barbarian named Frosfar (pronounced "Frose-var") that she promptly dubbed Fartsfar - a moniker he bears to this day.
I love my wife.
It doesn't matter. Nine times out of ten my wife will say Saran Wrap just because she knows it annoys me. I ran an adventure with pre-gens once and named one of them Philotomy Jurament for the nostalgia. She spent the whole damn session calling him Lobotomy Excrement.I also had a PC barbarian named Frosfar (pronounced "Frose-var") that she promptly dubbed Fartsfar - a moniker he bears to this day.
I love my wife.
It afflicts every group. Though sometimes its not just the name that gets twisted. I had a goblin NPC named Vrald that one of the players took to calling "Gobbo." But at least that was fun and in character (he subsequently started to name every goblin they encountered himself, noting that it was irrelevant what they call themselves).
But the best "moniker" was when I showed the players a picture of Duke Wildhurst from "Within the Circle," and from that point on, his name was "Porno Mustache Guy."
;)
It doesn't matter. Nine times out of ten my wife will say Saran Wrap just because she knows it annoys me.
Good one. I love to make fun of NPC names. At times, our whole group does. It started when one of our DMs made it far too easy to twist names into something ridiculous, and gave them personalities that cried for that treatment.
I fondly remember Ornithopter (Orlin Tabbar), or rather driving the DM (more) nuts "saying" his name. He had it coming.