Why is Vanthus not an Undead Outsider?

[Tambryn]

The title pretty much sums it up. He was an outsider (Native) in Tides of Dread, why is he not an Undead Outsider in Into the Maw?

Thanks

Tam

[Turin the Mad]

Tambryn wrote:

The title pretty much sums it up. He was an outsider (Native) in Tides of Dread, why is he not an Undead Outsider in Into the Maw?

Thanks

Tam

Undeath overwrites (as it were) any living critter template, such as outsider or dragon. Thus, dracoliches are undead, not dragons. Undead fiends and celestials are ... undead. Generally, since one becomes undead and acquires a template, the template rules govorn any and all changes, which generally leaves the bulk of the goodies of the deceased to translate over.

Well, unless they become a mindless undead (skeleton or zombie).

He should, as a Death Knight, rightly be typed as Undead.

[N1NJ4]

Ouch, that's quite a spoiler right there in the topic title. : /

[vikingson]

As ninja already stated.

Spoiler:

And besides, I always find myself laughing heartily at the fact that the Half-Fiend template does not add the outsider (evil) type, only outsider.

although, with the 4E change of "evil humanoid outsiders are devils", will that mean that half-fiend offsping of demon now get to become devils too ? Talk about a major conflict of generations, hehe

[Turin the Mad]

N1NJ4 wrote:

Ouch, that's quite a spoiler right there in the topic title. : /

QFT. Still, if the players should by some slim chance be reading this, it doesn't necessarily mean it will do them any good.

[vikingson]

Turin the Mad wrote:

N1NJ4 wrote:

Ouch, that's quite a spoiler right there in the topic title. : /

QFT. Still, if the players should by some slim chance be reading this, it doesn't necessarily mean it will do them any good.

Well, it sort of drops the ball on his backers...

Spoiler:

and possible fate post-ToD, too. I really am looking forward to my players' expressions once they return from CoBI and hear about his return... With this, I guess the surprise would be much lessened

[Curaigh]

vikingson wrote:

** ...I really am looking forward to my players' expressions once they ... **

Me too. I had a hard time explaining the end of TiNH to my players because "we haven't found Vanthus yet." No really, there is no more written once you defeat the LD. "but we know were he..." So yeah me too. *grin* Times

Spoiler:

9. I did show them his picture on the cover of Into the Maw, because I could not resist. I have the hope that they will forget it by that time. And I laughed myself when I saw his picture in the Prince of Demons.

hmmm I think I may create a 'have you seen me' photo for Vanthus.

[Turin the Mad]

That will prove especially entertaining if your players, say, publicly display the corpse or something ...

" We drew and quartered him ? Whaddya MEAN he's back ?! "

And the pic at Angkor Wat (IIRC) is priceless too. :)