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With the discontinuation of Dragon and Dungeon magazines, I was wondering if there would be any potential for further releases in the Compendium series. Updating older articles, or even introducing "new" Dragonesque articles with each edition. Is this possible, or is the rights to such articles also no longer available to Paizo?
Man, I hope so. I truly enjoy the Dragon Compendium and I hope WotC lets you do a dozen of them.
I hope to see another DC.
Just when the magazines were at their prime they were struck down. New material was coming in, and it was awesome! James Jacobs and Erik Mona were leading Dungeon and Dragon (respectively) into a new era of greatness.
So, naturally, Wizards had to stop them.
Allowing a new DC to be published is the least WotC can do.
Yes! Please make this happen! Make DC2 a fitting send off for the magazines.
But not too good or you won't be able to live up to it with DC3, DC4....
:)
Wow!
I'd love to see a Campaign Classics themed DC.
Also, I would still like to see a collected Voyage of the Princess Ark..
Havard
Mike, on that line, do you feel a Dragon Compendium 2 would/should be more geared toward updating older articles from earlier editions ("That's certainly UN-familiar!"), reprinting generic useful articles ("Whaddya Mean, 'Jack the Samurai'?"), or reprinting the best of the recent 3.x articles? (granted, some 3.0 articles will need tweaking to 3.5 standards, but still...)
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Mike, on that line, do you feel a Dragon Compendium 2 would/should be more geared toward updating older articles from earlier editions ("That's certainly UN-familiar!"), reprinting generic useful articles ("Whaddya Mean, 'Jack the Samurai'?"), or reprinting the best of the recent 3.x articles? (granted, some 3.0 articles will need tweaking to 3.5 standards, but still...)
I think Erik and I are dedicated to including a higher percentage of older material if we are given the chance to do DCII. :)
Oddly enough, I used to want more old edition material updated to 3.5, but now that Dragon is moving on, I actually kind of want some of the material from the last few years in one hardcover source, for example:
The Staff "Familiar" article
The Construct Familiar article
The Constructs article from the same issue
A compilation of all of the flaws from the articles and class acts in one place.
All the monsters from the Creature Catalogs
The Elemental Princes of Good and Evil
So I guess that means if you guys want to do more "old" articles (which I would still love), and anyone else agrees with me about having some of these articles in one place for handy gaming, then I guess you guys will have to do a Volume II AND Volume III . . . WOTC willing . . .
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If there were to be a second Dragon Compendium I would ask that you please, Please include the “Plethora of Paladins” from dragon 106 and the “Anti-Paladin” from way back in issue 39. These two articles would have transformed the first Dragon Compendium, for me, from a book that I will get, into a book that I must have at all costs.
I know you get requests like this all the time but I have a special love of these two articles and would love to see the brought up to date in 3.5.
Thanks Mike for keeping hope alive buddy.
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Hope I'm not on the wrong page here, but at EN World (http://www.enworld.org/), WotC is talking about doing Compendiums for Dragon, too. As I understand it, they may be doing Compendiums of their upocoming online litany of stuff that they intend to cram under the title of Dragon, but they may also be looking at taking up the gauntlet on this endeavor, too.
Frankly, nothing is selling me thus far in keeping up my Dragon subscription with WotC once it takes the reins. (Dungeon - maybe, but they've said nada about that thus far.)
It would be nice to let Paizo keep putting together the Compendiums, even with WotC taking control. Paizo did such an excellent job with the last one, and I'm becoming more and more wary of the quality of WotC's work.
I would LOVE to have another Dragon Compendium (or three!)!
The first one gets so much use that it's considered one of the "core books" now (along with Magic Item Compendium, Goods & Gear, Spell Compendium, & Eldritch Sorcery).
One article that I would LOVE to see reborn is the Rakasta article with different breeds by Bruce Heard along with the Lupin one of the similar nature. That was so fun back in the day...
Thanks
Chris
After reading through the DC... I will be purchasing mine in September. Outside of that:
Definitely, and I do mean DEFINITELY, bring in some of the great articles from 3.x, while I think that a good number of 2e articles can make it too. As to the monsters, I think that a third compendium (or possibly 2 compendiums, there's lotsa monsters) would be great to cover that. I'd also like to see some of the templates updated to 3.5 from Dungeon, perhaps a "crossover" compendium of monsters & templates?
later
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Oh man. Not another one of these posts! Please don't let me get my hopes up only to be dashed later.
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I think Erik and I are dedicated to including a higher percentage of older material if we are given the chance to do DCII. :)
I am pretty sure that most of us are looking forward to this.
As sad as the end of Dragon and Dungeon are: Maybe this is a new opportunity to do new Compendiums which revitalise some of the old edition material which would fall forgotten otherwise.
Reason for my optimism?
WotC wants to turn Dragon and Dungeon into online products. Fine, I am looking forward to what it will be like.
Does WotC currently have the experience, the dedication, and the ressources to do any printed Dragon/ Dungeon product? I am a bit doubtful about this.
So if Paizo and WotC are still on good terms, new DCs would be the best for both companies: A good ad for WotC's new online magazines, besides a good source of income for both companies, and 100%ly sure a good opportunity to appease some of the fans out there... ;-)
Curiously awaiting DC II,
Günther
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Dragon Compendium has almost instantly inbeded itself as one of my group's core books. Nearly every player is pulling material from it. When i got my copy I was extatic to see the Battle Dancer back in action. A absolutely loved that class when I played 2nd edition AD&D.
If you can keep them comming then I will keep pre-ordering them. Also a monster compilation book would be an excellent resource. We have always been hesitant to include material from issues as they become unwealdy to tote around after a bit, bit a hardback is much easier to deal with and reference.
When can you make a PDF version of DC available? It would be nice to print out just the pages I need for my character folder instead of bringing the whole book (at least when I play Eberron or Blackmoor) as the setting books tend to overwhelm my book bag.
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I think Erik and I are dedicated to including a higher percentage of older material if we are given the chance to do DCII. :)I am pretty sure that most of us are looking forward to this.
As sad as the end of Dragon and Dungeon are: Maybe this is a new opportunity to do new Compendiums which revitalise some of the old edition material which would fall forgotten otherwise.
Reason for my optimism?
WotC wants to turn Dragon and Dungeon into online products. Fine, I am looking forward to what it will be like.Does WotC currently have the experience, the dedication, and the ressources to do any printed Dragon/ Dungeon product? I am a bit doubtful about this.
So if Paizo and WotC are still on good terms, new DCs would be the best for both companies: A good ad for WotC's new online magazines, besides a good source of income for both companies, and 100%ly sure a good opportunity to appease some of the fans out there... ;-)
Curiously awaiting DC II,
Günther
That would make me pretty happy. I'd buy it, too.
Chief Technical Officer
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So I undestand WotC owns all the matter (save fiction and maybe some other odd-and end) in both magazines--this may sound stupid---do they own the layout and formatting, also? Can they offer pdf versions of compilations Paizo produced, or do they have to construct new layouts?
They own the entirety, and can do whatever they want with it.
I would like to see more DCs.
Also, Monte Cook should come out with more volumes in the Year's Best d20 series.
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I know it to be true, but superficially it sounds wrong: my FLGS definitely carries more d20 and OGL material than D&D-pure. And according to the owner, d20 and OGL books sell much better than the D&D stuff, except minis, which are his best seller, right alongside T&CCGs. He says, even giving a 10% discount, and no sales tax in Alaska, he finds it very hard to compete with 34-37% discounts at Amazon.com (for D&D books), so he carries less. It doesn't help him that the local B&N offers the same discount, and carries a greater variety of D&D books (and the funny thing, the B&N owner is the original owner of the hobby shop).
Please, whatever discussions or negotiations are necessary, do a Volume II (and higher). Between my copy of Volume I and the Item Cards, I've converted a couple of my Savage Tide folks to Paizo fans.
The only downside I have with the product is, between Races, Classes and Prestige Classes, there's too much good stuff to easily roll into my games ;)
My suspicion, which is based on absolutely evidence at all, is that Wizards of the Coast might have plans to publish such content on their own either as material to include in other D&D supplements or as an actual Dragon Compendium Vol. II.
Personally I would like to see a Dragon Comp geared towards compiling all the cool spells, spell books, magic items, magic related feats and such for both the arcane/divine casters and their familiars/companions that they've published.
...I need to get a pic for my posts. :p
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Oddly enough, I used to want more old edition material updated to 3.5, but now that Dragon is moving on, I actually kind of want some of the material from the last few years in one hardcover source, for example:
The Staff "Familiar" article
The Construct Familiar article
The Constructs article from the same issue
A compilation of all of the flaws from the articles and class acts in one place.
All the monsters from the Creature Catalogs
The Elemental Princes of Good and Evil
So I guess that means if you guys want to do more "old" articles (which I would still love), and anyone else agrees with me about having some of these articles in one place for handy gaming, then I guess you guys will have to do a Volume II AND Volume III . . . WOTC willing . . .
I really hope more Dragon Compendiums come to be... I really enjoyed Volume One. By the way, hi Knight! I just managed to make my way to these boards, after many years of "Paizo-apathy", a certain gentleman from Paizo's staff just convinced me that the "new Paizo" is indeed genuinely different than the one I encountered a few years back... ;)
I just managed to make my way to these boards, after many years of "Paizo-apathy", a certain gentleman from Paizo's staff just convinced me that the "new Paizo" is indeed genuinely different than the one I encountered a few years back... ;)
We do try :-)
Welcome back!
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I, too, would love additional Dragon Compendiums, if it is possible to produce them.
If I may suggest, having 8 volumes all 'mixed up' might be a little much. If possible, I know I would prefer a book that was broken up a bit more. For example, Dragon Compendium Spells & Items, or Dragon Compendium Races and Feats.... That kind of thing. Otherwise, we get into the same problem of trying to bring everything every time we game... And it is hard....
By the way, hi Knight!
Indeed . . . good to see a friendly knight, heh . . .
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I, too, would love additional Dragon Compendiums, if it is possible to produce them.
If I may suggest, having 8 volumes all 'mixed up' might be a little much. If possible, I know I would prefer a book that was broken up a bit more. For example, Dragon Compendium Spells & Items, or Dragon Compendium Races and Feats.... That kind of thing. Otherwise, we get into the same problem of trying to bring everything every time we game... And it is hard....
If we ever get to make more I think that is our intent.
If we ever get to make more I think that is our intent.I, too, would love additional Dragon Compendiums, if it is possible to produce them.
If I may suggest, having 8 volumes all 'mixed up' might be a little much. If possible, I know I would prefer a book that was broken up a bit more. For example, Dragon Compendium Spells & Items, or Dragon Compendium Races and Feats.... That kind of thing. Otherwise, we get into the same problem of trying to bring everything every time we game... And it is hard....
Ooooh...that would be neat.
If there were to be a second Dragon Compendium I would ask that you please, Please include the “Plethora of Paladins” from dragon 106 and the “Anti-Paladin” from way back in issue 39.
With no disregards (i also didn't read that issue) but the Blackguard is an Anti-Paladin as are some of the evil paladin-types from unearthed arcana.