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2 performances at the same time.

That's the thing though... you can use any bardic performance you have as a battledance. Inspired rage is a performance

Greetings

I was making a new character after an unfortunate lightning ball incident and came across something that's pretty ridiculous

If you multiclass a Dawnflower Dervish with a Skald you'd double the Strength and con bonuses right?

Battle dances use a bardic performance as a base and the skald's raging song is treated as a bardic performance for any effect that modifies a bardic performance...

This doesn't work right? a +8 morale bonus to Strength and constitution?! couple it with skalds vigor for fast healing 8! This shouldn't work but i can't find text that denies it...

The players at my table keep giving me weird looks, If anyone can help debunk this i'd appreciate it.

-Battle Dance text
"A Dawnflower dervish is trained in the use of the Perform skill, especially dance, to create magical effects on himself. This works like bardic performance, except that the Dawnflower dervish’s performances grant double their normal bonuses, but these bonuses only affect him. He does not need to be able to see or hear his own performance. Battle dancing is treated as bardic performance for the purposes of feats, abilities, and effects that affect bardic performance, except that battle dancing does not benefit from the Lingering Performance feat or any other ability that allows a bardic performance to grant bonuses after it has ended. The benefits of battle dancing apply only when the bard is wearing light or no armor. Like bardic performance, battle dancing cannot be maintained at the same time as other performance abilities.

Starting a battle dance is a move action, but it can be maintained each round as a free action. Changing a battle dance from one effect to another requires the Dawnflower dervish to stop the previous performance and start the new one as a move action. Like a bard, a Dawnflower dervish’s performance ends immediately if he is killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action each round. A Dawnflower dervish cannot perform more than one battle dance at a time. At 10th level, a Dawnflower dervish can start a battle dance as a swift action instead of a move action.

When the Dawnflower dervish uses the inspire courage, inspire greatness, or inspire heroics bardic performance types as battle dances, these performance types only provide benefit to the Dawnflower dervish himself. All other types of bardic performance work normally (affecting the bard and his allies, or the bard’s enemies, as appropriate). This ability alters the standard bardic performance ability."

-Raging song text
"Starting a raging song is a standard action, but it can be maintained each round as a free action. A raging song cannot be disrupted, but it ends immediately if the skald is killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action each round to maintain it. A raging song counts as the bard’s bardic performance special ability for any effect that affects bardic performances."

Howdy all, long time player first time poster.

If I am feeling really silly, I might change over to Evangelist with Theurge as my Aligned Class, which will increase both my hit points and skill points. I figure I will have plenty of Will Save so the extra Reflex save will just leave me with only Fort as weak.

Good idea or bad idea?

Well... if I were you and I didn't care about spell levels you could always go magus/warsighted oracle into theurge, one arcana gives you oppertune parry and repost and with shareable spell slots between classes you can get many spell strikes. One other thing is a level 10 theurge can cast two spells in a turn which could let you double spellstrike. You could even go wizard, sorcerer or witch/cleric, Druid or shaman with VMC magus so you don't lose spell progression (that's what I'm doing, plus using a scorpion whip to get a 15ft reach with spellstrike) you can fill your 8 1rst level slots with things that boost resistances for your saves and get body wraps a monk uses for armor as those don't affect casting, one magic item for magus let's you spell strike with AOE spells aswell. Spellscars, close-range and the swashbuckler arcana would fit your character concept pretty well, have fun!

Godless healing is a free cure-light for a godless marshal, and weapon versatility let's you half-sword and murder stroke with your weapon.

If being a wizard who dabbles in divine magic is an option you might try wizard 7 / cleric 1 / mystic theurge 10 / wizard +2, using the Faith Magic arcane discovery to qualify for the PrC. You will end up with 9th level wizard spells and 6th level cleric, and the wizard spells will barely be delayed.

I'm going to look that up now... I see... I'd need fourth level arcane to qualify for theurge... cool thanks man, I'll add this to the chart!

Honestly the bloodlines don't sell me... perhaps the once per day full recharge is amazing... there's a wizard archetype that gives you exploits aswell, though the arcanists ability to take all wizard spells and choose which few to cast at will is also amazing. Witch hexes and spells like blood money really want me to go witch as well. What divine classes do you think best mesh with which arcane to get the most out of class abilities and spell lists?

What about a Kasatha bow nomad? If you're going for hand crossbows a rogue with the sniper and scout archetypes could be fun, at 8th level when you move 10 ft. You'd automatically trigger sneak attacks, perhaps empty-quiver style if things got close? shot on the run and snapshot/greater snapshot would help as well. If you VMC fighter for weapon training you can pick up warpriest damage with your handcrossbows to!

Yeah sacrificing extra abilities for a single 9th level spell can leave you over exposed, Caster levels in my GMs campaigns are character level based (praise the sun!) so DCs should be fine, but in case someone in the future looks back on this for help it might be wise to ignore that.

Anyways I'd love to hear how you've built a good theurge DeathlessOne, seeing as stated above the arcanist may not work as well. In my research I've seen that focusing on arcane is the better option for late game destructive power, so putting more levels in arcane seems more worth it depending on parent class. Thoughts?

Hmmm... I see, so it would be extremely difficult to get the most out of spell levels without staggering class levels. So if 9th level spells weren't major priorities then two hexes wouldn't be a bad trade... Thanks for the insight

I'm trying to figure out how best to build a Theurge and I'm having some problems figuring out what parent classes to grab, I've gotten down to the most logical choices of

Arcane:
Arcanist
Witch
Wizard

Divine:
Cleric/Oracle
Druid
Shaman

My GM suggested shaman 7/arcanist 3 using the lore shaman to get 9th level wizard spells but I'm sure there is a more efficient way to theurge... any advice/ideas?

(As a side I believe it would be important to note that I'm planing on lichdom as we have found the ritual for it, thank you!)

Swordplay style?
Upsetting shield style?
Shielded gauntlet style?
Panther style?
Archon style?

If the enemy has a hard time hitting you they're going to run for your allies... best support them to...

I'm making a tank for the party and our GM was a cool guy and made VMC's for every class that doesn't currently have one!

I'm a fighter/samurai with VMC: Spiritualist (it functions as the summoner one) and I'm trying to figure out which phantom to grab so I can best support the team.

I was thinking about the Anger, Dedication, hatred, Kindness, Lust and Zeal Phantoms but I don't know which to choose. We could use the damage from anger, hatred and zeal but dedication, and Kindness are idespencable party support options. And Lust can really mess up enemies, soak up damage and interact hilariously with the "ladies man" of the party! I can't choose!

Monstrous companion perhaps?

But I don't get it.

I just don't understand.

Who looks at a great sword, or a great axe, or a bastard sword, or whatever enormous piece of weaponry you are wanting to use, and says to themselves "Now then, I wish to use this one handed....because......"

and that's where I draw the line. I cannot fathom that anyone would have an answer for what lies beyond the "because" part.

And yes, I know, anime.

Which is also something I don't get.

Oh well no its cause I lost my arm... and if you've ever picked up a "greatsword" you'd notice it doesn't weigh a feather over 25 pounds. I've swung pole maces and great axes with one hand before, I'm not trying to metagame or anything just trying to find a workaround that the character would take.

You know before the GM has to houserule anything or the party has to shell out good platinum for my stupid armless keaster, Good point though.

Bastards swords don't work with the elf fighting style feats (technicaly bastards swords are longswords) thanks though Storm! I might just grab a dueling sword and cry to myself now...

Cause the GM only allows 10/10 class splits... can't dip, can't collect 100 silver, can't pass go... thanks Klorox. Guess i'll take my leave thanks for the insight!

Ah! Helpful thanks Harry, however those would only work if I wasn't an occultist/ninja... definitely a fantastic thing to remember though thanks.

The smaller stick may not work as I'm quite invested in the elvish weapon style feats, I'll take a look and see what toothpicks I can use with them if I can retrain my weapon focus feats. Thanks for the wisdom Bill.

I've seen the threads that have came before this one and I know it's impossible...

but I'm stupid and stubborn!

Either I figure out how to get a prosthetic arm or I figure out how to use a two handed weapon in one hand.

I ask this rediculous question because we aren't allowed to use the third party prosthetic rules and I really want a mundane or enchanted replacement for my missing limb (regeneration is cheating!)

Perhaps a tumor familiar?

Maybe a new wondrous item?

Why can't I swing a sharp metal stick with one hand!?

I have no idea so I ask for your insight, thank you.

Souljar the character into construct armor. It has its own stats and such so it should work for playability, does souljar work on constructs?

Wouldn't you take a -4 or something?

Hmmm... the Warpriest is a walking holy bomb... funnel as many undead as you can into a pit and have the warpriest spam channel energy, see if the arcane casters can make scrolls of AoE spells, have the paladin intercept the army and see if it's smart. if not they might follow the aura of good away. soak nets in oil and catch the dead in flaming nets. Craft alchemy some shrapnel grenades and alchemists fire make spiked barricades. have blades for zombies and clubs for skeletons. Craft alchemy barrels of gunpowder, make a moat, if the river is dry put spikes in the moat. get the wizard to prepare summon monster in as many forms as possible (spells, scrolls, potions, runes) hire mercenaries and use livestock as meat shields...

Two-Hander you say? well... have you heard of the Titan fighter and Titan Mauler Archetypes? ever wanted to wield a sword three times the size of you? Crush someone with an uprooted tree? Check em' out!

wow... what an answer... investigator would work to i guess

These Teamwork feats

coordinated charge
Feint partner
Improved feint partner
Broken Wing gambit

just have a friend or companion, and make sure you both (or all) of you get improved feint, one person charges, everyone else does. then you feint, and everyone attacks. when he tries to hit you, everyone attacks

(might want combat reflexes)

Have fun!

Hola!

Was wondering what would happen if someone with this effect

Bane: You always go last in initiative order. You cannot take Improved Initiative. If multiple creatures with Overly Cautious are in the same encounter, they roll initiative only to determine what order they go in after all other characters have gone each round.

Tried to set up an ambush... like if they stealth around and saw an opponent, then attacked it.
would the creature under the effect get the surprise round, attack, then proceed to be in last place?

and what if said creature had companions to command?

Thanks for the insight

One archetype doesn't just get attack bonuses but also prey specific buffs and abilities

(http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger/archetypes/paizo---ran ger-archetypes/infiltrator)

it might not be what you're looking for but i think it makes favoured enemy more worth it, plus it can be added along with a lot of other archetypes. versatility and trickery isn't just a rogue thing either, you wanna bring pain animal companion archetypes and teamwork feats can turn any fight against the opponent. the item trick feat for a cloak lets you stealth from a target for a round (like batman or a duelist) and dirty trick can be a good strat (blindness)

anyway aside from my ramblings the infiltrator makes favoured enemy "worth it" (my opinion)

oh crap can i delete those? ok fixed sorry about that...

Hello,

So our party is heading into dangerous territory, and i'm planning on making a neat backup. the backup is the progenitor of an insectoid race seeking his own evolutionary path, i've taken the

Preservationist (the jar'ed monsters are failed experiments "children" that didn't make it)

and the

Promethean alchemist (the homunculus companion is a success he wishes to duplicate)

and i noticed that it removes the bomb class feature. meaning no zombie bombs or injector drones... but, it doesn't say anywhere that the bomb class feature is required to produce and learn bomb discoveries. does it allow me to still create specialized explosives and effects or does it require the class feature to deploy those tricks?

Hmmm... he was a dead noble? find his death certificate? Splash some holy water on him in court?

So, so far there have been lots of options on how to make the character LOOK the part of killer croc. Being a Lizardfolk, Skinwalker, Druid, Mooncursed, etc. I don't really have a problem LOOKING like a croc/gator.

The issue is that there is very little content that actually involves consuming pieces of your opponent. I know there are 2 Barbarian archetypes (Raging Cannibal and Flesheater I think are the 2; can't check right now). There's also something in the Inquisitor (archetype maybe? or just an inquisition) I think called Sineater (or Sin Eater) that doesn't HAVE to involve consuming a part of their body, but it can.

Beyond that, I can't seem to find anything that deals with actually eating parts of your opponent. If anyone has any suggestions for that aspect of the character, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I think most other aspects (being/looking the part, having a bite attack, being good at grappling) have been covered very well by everyone so far. Talking about them any further is really just arguing about which one each person likes better. Which I'm not discouraging, but I feel like it's beating a dead horse at this point. There are lots of ways to cover all those aspects; there are very little to cover the cannibalistic part, other than just flavoring it and saying "I eat some of the flesh off his body after combat is over". And even then, there are some implications the rules don't cover (diseases or sickness carried by the body, effects of raw meat, etc.)

take synthesist summoner then get the enhanced size, bite, grapple (bite) and swallow hole

Synthesist summoner, Skinwalker (crocodile) monk? there are a lot of ways to tackle this...

Whisperknives wrote:

The reason they can't make their own characters is that they are lazy stoners and would never do it.

Which is why you also need to run it on PBP for a bunch of motivated players who will appreciate all of the work you put into building the game and want to put their efforts into making wonderful characters for this!

yes agreed.

on the main topic of this thread... Vigilantes are band from most games even faster than the summoners specced to murder hobo. if they won't build their own characters ask who their favorite super hero is (slayers and ninja are batman for example) i take it you're running a "super hero" campaign?

Oh neat i didn't know that... i looked at the suit seeker and it's to random and awkward to rely on the bonus (plus it's only available at 16th level)

so the story summoner and Cartomancer seem like a good combo, as the witch can combine cartomancy with the circle warden for maximum team buffs. The gambit idea is pretty awesome. but im thinking of focusing on the summoner idea. the card throwing is pretty great though especially if you had throw anything (throwing the halfling while they are enchanted?) you could turn a handful of caltrops into dangerous landmines

Thanks Dunkerson i'll totally write this idea down somewhere next time i make a character

i was thinking i would very much take advantage of the Suit seekers "array" ability and play it ranged. with a +4 enhancement bonus to anything it could work right? i'll have to look at the Cartomancer didn't see it when i was combing archetypes, a level ten Azata eidolon is almost like a level 5 fighter so i'm not worrying about melee

(we have a bloodrager with a chainsaw, a very huggy (grapplestyle) geokineticist, a spellslinger and an oracle so i'm making a backup for when i inevitably die)

combat isn't that big of a deal for us and the eidolon can be very strong even without full progression, just wondering the smartest path to take with my idea. i do see the issue with these classes and multiclassing though. i saw one thread about having mystic theurge helping the eidolon as a house rule so i'll talk to my DM about that.

thanks for the insight

It's decent light armor, it's basically for fighters that need to do things like climb and swim, or travel. it can be dawned faster compact cause its just a breastplate. it's on par with plate mail powered, but when you fall off the boat and retract it you might be able to swim. make it outta mithral or adamantine and it'll either be good for hyper rogues (mithral makes it +4 AC +6 max dex compact) or a full armor fighter that needs to move. it's just really cool

whoopsies it also gives you DR2/something or nothing, and it only eats charges when powered

Wheres your bag of sand?

I recently discovered the tarot-card based classes and was wondering the best way to combine them I've looked at the...

...Card caster magus, Suit seeker Inquisitor and the Story summoner...

...and was wondering how to best combine them and which ones aren't as viable for a tarot based multiclass. the current campaign i'm in features futuristic firearms and armor and a resurgence of magic so guns are available for martial fighters and magic isn't all to common (until we go into space of course then we'll all be screwed).

i'm thinking a combo of

Summoner 10-15 (possibly 15+)
(being my favorite class the summoner gets most of my attention, buffing the eidolon with cards makes it even better (variable +4 to anything), focusing on charisma and dex are my top priorities (why i looked at ninja, Street mage/gypsy bard and the Teppobushi Gunslinger) of course protection circles work now but the cards let me change alignment based on circle and enemy)

Inquisitor 5-9 (thinking either 5 or 8)
(the buffs from drawing cards is very cool (a +4 enhancement to wisdom means i can supplement a non focused Wisdom for divine stuff and at 8th level thats four +4's), and with the free teamwork feats with my eidolon... divine spells also don't hurt as i could heal and support more than just my eidolon and thats without adding bane and such)

Magus 0-5 (more weapons and arcana is nice...)
(aside from getting all martial weapons, being able to Gambit stuff is cool. and the card caster magus can enchant other ranged weapons like rifles and rocket launchers, or for traditional games bows and throwing weapons eg. flask of oil with burning hands but... i do wonder what a fireball infused seeking Rocket launcher would do...)

(just had another idea if you wanna do something funny grab teppobushi and a ranged magus then use the rapid-fire ability teppobushi have to machine gun whoever is downrange with brilliant energy Alchemical rounds)

Thoughts/suggestions?
Thanks for the feedback and help

Astomoi get a Wisdom bonus, Psychokineticist?

Synthesist summoners? Astomoi only have mental bonuses and have natural scent (funny because that means they can feel the particles of what ever left the smell behind). when they are in the living armor they would have all it's senses and save on buying a few evolutions due to their natural perception. one thing to remember is they only sense objects and people, meaning without the eidolon or linked familiar they can't read.... sorry Astomoi wizards, are they actually a gas though? because if so wind wall and gust would really mess them up.

It's decent light armor, it's basically for fighters that need to do things like climb and swim, or travel. it can be dawned faster compact cause its just a breastplate. it's on par with plate mail powered, but when you fall off the boat and retract it you might be able to swim. make it outta mithral or adamantine and it'll either be good for hyper rogues (mithral makes it +4 AC +6 max dex compact) or a full armor fighter that needs to move. it's just really cool