Does a one handed weapon wielded in two hands still count as a one handed weapon for feats and class abilities (that don't specify it must be wielded in one hand)?
Possibly, what feats and abilities?
Well the first one I was looking at was Panache.
Then I started looking at Precise Strike, which specifies "To use this deed, a swashbuckler cannot attack with a weapon in her other hand" which I would assume would mean it cant hold the main weapon either, but I might aswell check while i'm asking about panache!
Yeah, those require your other hand to be free, so no two-handing.
I expected Precise Strike would require a free hand*, but panache as well? source?
(I do believe you, just wanting to check)Edit: *The equivalent of a free hand.
Panache is just a pool, the things you do with said pool usually require you to have your hand free.
Well, yes, I never said it wasn't a pool... but as far as I can see the only deed that requires (the equivalent of) a free hand is precise strike, hence why i'd like a source on panache requiring a free hand :)
Wouldn't you take a -4 or something?
I... Wait, why would I take a -4?
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Panache is just a pool, the things you do with said pool usually require you to have your hand free.Well, yes, I never said it wasn't a pool... but as far as I can see the only deed that requires (the equivalent of) a free hand is precise strike, hence why i'd like a source on panache requiring a free hand :)
Hmm, looking over the combat deeds you're correct, though you should stop saying "panache requires a free hand" since panache isn't something you do.
Hmm, looking over the combat deeds you're correct, though you should stop saying "panache requires a free hand" since panache isn't something you do.Panache is just a pool, the things you do with said pool usually require you to have your hand free.Well, yes, I never said it wasn't a pool... but as far as I can see the only deed that requires (the equivalent of) a free hand is precise strike, hence why i'd like a source on panache requiring a free hand :)
Ah of course, what I mean is would the "Each time the swashbuckler confirms a critical hit with a light or one-handed piercing melee weapon, she regains 1 panache point." part of Panache function while wielding a one-handed weapon with both hands? Or would that re-classify it as a two-handed weapon, thus voiding that aspect of panache?
Well the panache class feature includes the way you regain panache points, and that is by scoring a critical hit or reducing an opponent to 0 hp or less with a light or one-handed piercing weapon – which is something you do.
You can indeed question if "one-handed weapon" would include a weapon wielded in two hands. I would say yes, since some rules, such as for Power Attack, explicitly refer to both "two-handed weapon" and "one handed weapon using two hands" separately.
"One-handed weapons" and "two-handed weapons" are weapon weight classes. Think of them as "medium weapons" and "heavy weapons". A "medium weapon" doesn't become a "heavy weapon" when you wield it with both hands.
Snazzy, thanks for the clarification, I assumed a one-handed wielded in two hands would still be a "one-handed". Interesting to note that swashbucklers could get 1-1/2 str (and increased power attack) and still be able to regain panache, shame they lose out on precise strike, but I expected as much.
Are there any useful one-handed piercing weapons that can be wielded in two hands?
I think the rapier explicitly cannot be wielded two-handedly.
Rapier description: "You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage."
I don't know whether this is intended to mean you can't use it in two hands, or just that you don't do more damage when you do.
It's difficult to get two hand into that basket :)
The estoc doesn't work in two hands for the swashbuckler, because it says "When you wield an estoc with one hand, treat it as a one-handed weapon; when you wield an estoc with two hands, treat it as a two-handed weapon"
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It's difficult to get two hand into that basket :)
The estoc doesn't work in two hands for the swashbuckler, because it says "When you wield an estoc with one hand, treat it as a one-handed weapon; when you wield an estoc with two hands, treat it as a two-handed weapon"
I always imagined it as one hand on the grip and the other palming the butt and pushing when you thrust.
And ah.
Oh, nice critting there.
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The rapier is a finesse weapon that is bigger than a normal Light weapon, hence the restriction. Think of it as a hybrid, like the Bastard sword for one handed/two handed thing.
The weapon counts as it is being wielded for effects that require it, like power attack, str mod damage and the like. I think the right conclusion has been proffered, it is still a One Handed weapon designation despite being wielded with two hands, so Panache would trigger its renewals for the particulars for using the One Handed (Medium, as Mathew had paralleled the armor qualities) weapon.
