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I know the probable answer, but are the reviews and star rating for adventures from the old store listed anywhere? I'm trying to find some adventures for a specific level range without pulling from the various metaplots, and without the reviews I'm going in blind.

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How do you price ammunition made of precious materials? Do you just use the "weapons" formula (e.g. Adamantine = 1400+140/bulk), or is there something else?

How does ammunition with bulk "-" factor in. (Just the base price then?)

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If a gunslinger, or I suppose an alchemist or a character with the appropriate dedication, were to create alchemical ammunition for a magazine weapon, would they produce four magazines, or four "bullets" to go into one or more "clips"?

The magazines are single items on the various charts.

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Someone said to me the other day that mounts were not allowed to be purchased in Society play.

I know that vehicles are out, but I cannot find anything limiting or restricting mounts. Am I wrong?

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Can your passwords for the Paizo Site and Paizo Store be the same?

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I'm trying to add a second edition SFS game to an event I've created, and there are no check boxes against any of the year one adventures. Any ideas?

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HeroLab seems to be giving all 'Society characters the Lore for free (as is the case with PFS). Am I right in thinking this is an error? I can't see anything about it on Lorespire.

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First Thought (whilst prepping published adventure): Who the hell gives a skeleton mage Blood Vendetta?

Second Thought: Bloody hell, undead are not immune to bleed damage as standard!

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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Is there any way, e.g. ACP, to Earn Income using Medicine?

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If the scaling instructions for an encounter says "add an additional Creature for every four points beyond 16", and the party is 22 points, do I add one creature (20 points) or two (more than 20 points)?

I'm guessing one; but I'm also stunned that this has not come up in any of the games I've previously run.

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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If a character has access to an uncommon or rare spell, do they skso have access to purchase scroll, wands, etc. of it too, or would they need to craftvthem themselves?

Grand Lodge

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Ok, what am I missing?

Loads of Calling and Mystic Feats grant you the ability to spend a Mystic Point to make a check with Mystic Proficiency. Fair enough. But Rewrite Fate allows you to reroll a skill or save check with Mystic Proficiency as a free action after
you've seen the result if your roll, and every Mystic character gets that.

If you have the latter, why do you need the former?

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A bunch of books in the sanctioning and access sections have been noted as updated 2/25 but don't appear to gavevhad any changes; Player Core 2 for instance.

Am I missing something, or did things get messed up?

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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So, it appears that the Society has good relations with two new members of the Orc pantheon, could be interesting.

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Do the "special" awards listed on this chronicle have to be ACP purchased for the character that adventure is allocated to, or can they be placed elsewhere? (I'd rather know before trying to download them.)

Grand Lodge

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If I were to run one of the stand alone adventures (e.g. Rusthenge) for only three characters, how screwed would they be if I were to not rebalance all of the encounters?

Is there anything that could be done to the characters to make it more balanced? (Free Archetype is a start, but wont help with the action economy or the reduction in targets when it come to sharing out the damage.)

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In the climactic encounter, the PCs can talk Tok down with a single check?

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Stupid question: now that Specials like Blessing of the Forest are available for general sale, can they still only be run as multi-table Con' games?

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Under old Oracle rules you couldn't drop below a Minor curse without eight hours sleep. It appears that under Remastered Rules each time you Refocus you just drop by one curseboynd "level", with no special rules about the last one. Am I reading that correctly?

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RAW Do circumstance bonus from different circumstances stack?

I'd assumed not, as they just grant a circumstance bonus, but I've just read an official product which grants "a +2 circumstance bonus to this check for each of the three listed languages they speak".

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Can anybody confirm that I am correct in believing that the throwers bandolier, Treasure Vault, is a common, standard access item please?

HeroLab is trying to tell me that an access boon is needed, and I am sure that it is wrong.

Thanks.

Grand Lodge

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Am I missing something obvious here?

The various investigations into the murders (starting on page 32) have a single skill check, and then "minor","moderate","major", and "false lead" results.

Is this a sub-system described later on the book, or maybe a different book? OR should these be the results of a failure, success, critical success and critical failure (respectively) of the skill check, and somehow were tabled wrongly?

Grand Lodge

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Anybody got any guesses as to why gouging claw was left as d6+stat and not errataed to multiple d6 like the other cantrips when Remaster happened?

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Is there anywhere that summarises previous year's metaplots (with or without spoilers) please my Google-fu is failing me.

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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Without giving too much away (I know that's it's Year 1 but hey) there are two boons on the chronical that are meant to be purchased with Fame.

Looking over the current ACP purchase options it appears that only one of them was incorporated into the new system. Any particular reason (and how do I purchase the one that's not there)?

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Was there ever a consensus on this boon?

A while ago there was debate as to whether or not the character "repairing" the item was required to have the crafting feats. As far as I can see there was no conclusion or HQ ruling. Has this changed?

(As a separate question irrespective of the first one. As I read it there is no actual gp expenditure involved with this boon. The PC is effectively given a cursed item for free, and once they have "crafted" 50% of its value they are deemed have repaired it and may keep it. Is that correct?)

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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The Mwangi Expanse book includes the line, "nearly every Matanji also receives a traditional inlay or coating of cold iron on or over their tusks" (page 94). Is there any legal way to do this in game?

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Beautiful art for the Swordlord.

Are the new season of quests still 1xp/reknown?

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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So, I know that we're a LONG way behind the times, but we just played Star Sugar Heartlove today, and looking at the Chronicle the appear to be a few errors in the pricings (which I'll put behind a spoiler below). Is this a known thing, what should we do about them?

Spoiler:
elite stationwear (6,100; item level 6): should be 4,100 cr
screamer grenade I (725; item level 4; limit 4): should be 320 cr
screamer grenade II (2,720; item level 8; limit 4): should be 1,340 cr
advanced sword cane (7,000; item level 7): advance sword cane is 2,100 cr, level 4. untrathin sword cane is 7,000 level 7. I'm guessing that it's meant to be the latter.

Grand Lodge

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If I have a character who has proficiency in heavy weapons but not in grenades, and they fire a grenade launcher, do they receive a non-proficient penalty to attack or not?

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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As I understand it, despite the note on page 104 of the Lost Omens Pathfinder Society Guide that, "Members of the Pathfinder Society have access to this item", because it is listed as Uncommon and not called out on the Character Options web page we can only access it via a boon?

Grand Lodge

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If a monster's attack has a critical effect listed (eg stagger) is there a saving throw, and if so how is it calculated

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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(I'm full of stupid questions currently I am...)

I assume that if I am playing a race that requires I slot a Personal Boon to unlock it, and then there's a rules shift which opens it to everyone, then I not longer need to use that slot? I mean it seems obvious to me, but...

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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Could somebody confirm that this rule is allowed for play please? I'm being given conflicting information. Ta.

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According to the character options lists, all of Grand Bazaar is standard access with a few exceptions. The familiar/master abilities and familiars on pages 34 & 35 have no rarity noted, which should mean that they are common, and standard+common means open access.

Am I reading this right?

Grand Lodge

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The text for deadly aim specifically says,
"When you take the attack or full attack action with weapons (including a solarian’s solar manifestation, but not spells or other special abilities of any kind)".
Which would eliminate the ability to use it with the Vanguard's Entropic Strike. Has there been an FAQ/errata or similar (maybe a new feat?) that works around this?

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A friend just recommended that we play through the "Celita / Historia 7 storyline", as they felt that it was one of the best; they couldn't remember which adventures contributed to it, but "it should be easy to find online".

Well, I've done some light digging (I want to avoid spoilers), and all that I can come up with is the single adventure The Many Minds of Historia 7. What am I missing please?

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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Coming back to PFS 2nd Ed after quite a break, and I have a quick question.

In PFS1 there is a rule that any character can retrain pretty much anything as long as they haven't been played at 2nd level or higher; has this been completely replaced in PFS2 by the CRB retraining rules and the rebuild boon, or is it still an option?

Ta.

Grand Lodge

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I put my new card details in a couple of months ago and I still can't find a way of deleting the expired one. I wouldn't worry but the system keeps defaulting to the old card for payment. What am I missing please?

Grand Lodge

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Hi again.

The payment for this order has been sitting listed as "pending" on my credit card for about five days now, and suddenly today it vanishes completely. Is something going on at your end? Ta.

Grand Lodge

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Got confirmation of my subscription order this morning, thank you very much. I know that these problems have been out of your control, and you've been doing your best to resolve matters, but I didn't expect all these delays would cost me so much extra...

To explain: going back over my order history, Abomination Vaults volumes 1 & 2 each cost $5.65 shipping, volume 3 shipped with Lost Omens: Ancestry Guidecost $23.23. A total of $34.53.

Today's confirmation was for Ruby Phoenix volumes 1, 2 & 3, and Lost Omens: Mwangi, all in one package. So, same weight but less packaging, maybe a reduction?

No, $54.98 shipping! An extra $20! This is ridiculous...

Grand Lodge

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Hi, I added the Lost Omens line to my subscription a couple of weeks ago. The hard copy of Ancestry Guide is listed in my sidecart, awaiting shipping with my next AP volume; could this be the reason that the pdf has not been added to my account yet, or is it something else?

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Quick question:

Should the fact that an outsider has its body and soul as a "single unit" effect speak with dead spells?

The Exchange

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Viva la Golem de Triumph!

Grand Lodge

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I don't know if this is just me, though I have tried using multiple devices.

Any time I try to add a pdf to an order, the page returns "your request produced an error" on the line where the price was. This makes it a bit difficult to take advantage of the spring sale...

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Page 59, Ghlaunder: "Cleric Spells 1st: goblin pox, 2nd: vomit swarm (Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide), 3rd: insect form"

Oh yes? Is this preperation for the forthcoming APG in August, or a mistake referring to the 1E version?

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I'm fairly sure that this is ok, but I wanted a quick second opinion.

I have an unplayed 6th level character, a combination of games that required pregens (Goblins, some of the early quests) and GMing chronicles. Some of these go back nearly three years.

I've just got hold of a race boon that has sparked off an idea.

Am I right that as this character has never been played, I can put the new chronicle in as 0 and have a 6th level whatever?

Grand Lodge 2/5 ***

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Quote:
Crafting: Some characters may choose to spend their time Crafting a piece of equipment. The rules for crafting can be found on pages 244-245 and 503–504 the Core Rulebook. Use the DC based on the level of the item from Table 10–5 for common items, applying the hard DC adjustment from Table 10–6 to the DC for uncommon items and the very hard DC adjustment for rare items. You can Craft uncommon or rare items only if you find their formulas.

(Organised Play Foundation)

So, does the last sentence mean that formula are NOT needed for common items, or that formula for uncommon/rare items can only be FOUND not bought?


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I've been calling it Pathfinder 2.5 since the announcement and will probably call it that forever. It's not a slam against it, just an easy way to remember what it is.


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I was against moving to Remaster at first. Still am with anything I have in OGL based content playing on my table right now, but I think when the core books are out, I'll be doing an entirely new campaign setting that will use absolutely no OGL content at all. In fact, the remaster of dragons has me thinking about completely remastering nearly anything considered a monster in my campaign setting and not using even a single published monster, though they may look and feel a bit familiar.

So long as the Game Master Core manual has guidelines for monster stat blocks and encounter difficulty, that and the Pathfinder Player core may be all I need for a VERY unique campaign completely under ORC.


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Yeah, already not into it. Removal of Alignment is a red line for me. Time to look around for something different.


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I think there are way too many contractual entanglements for them to move to Pathfinder currently.


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All I can say at this point is the D&D brand is ruined for me forever. I was with PF1E all the way until they released 5E under the OGL. I'm back now to Pathfinder 2E and will never stray again. Pathfinder is what D&D always should have been. I am speaking as somebody who started playing the game 45 years ago with the White Box and has played every edition.

I can never go back to D&D because WotC cannot be trusted with it.


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Kobold Catgirl wrote:
As a sidenote, I do cautiously hope that the ORC adopts language similar to the new OGL's about prohibiting blatantly abusive content. We don't need "Myfarog, ORC edition".

I see absolutely no way for a open license held by a third prty would be able to legally enforce such a use of the license. It would be market forces that would prohibit such content, i.e nobody buys it.

They KNEW it was possible to do Nazi content under the original OGL. The idea was, "fine, they cannot get the D20 logo" and it worked.


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Kobold Catgirl wrote:

Well, sure, I don't think anyone thinks that D&D as a brand is dead. Hasbro's a big company. They'll be fine. So what, though? 5e coming out was a big boon for third party creators and for the hobby as a whole, so why should we complain if it turns out 7e is likewise a step away from predatory practices and a great leap for the industry? No complaints here.

If anything, I think that's why we're celebrating, right? We're glad that the community is still united enough on certain issues to punish bad corporate behavior.

I think 6E will crash hard given this BS. Maybe by the time they do 7E they'll decide to use the only real Open Roleplaying Game Creative License still operating (ORC). <eg>


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Themetricsystem wrote:
pauljathome wrote:

WOTC have published an announcement on D&D beyond. Full of PR lies but it seems like they're substantially backing off. Maybe.

Need to see the actual new "OGL" of course but it is possibly a good step

Announcement

"A couple of last thoughts. First, we won’t be able to release the new OGL today, because we need to make sure we get it right, but it is coming. Second, you’re going to hear people say that they won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change our plans. Those people will only be half right. They won—and so did we."

The pure distilled COPE is thick as steel, hoooo-lyyy!

The FAQ are not legally binding. There is little difference when you really read the FAQ. 1.0a is still being deauthorized for anything new. To get the 6 month grace period on 1.0a, you have to agree to 2.0.

Did these guys forget their audience is a bunch of people who regularly spend several hours BSing with each other, and they expect us to buy their BS?????


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Leon Aquilla wrote:

Latest rumor/leak says they're putting a six month grace period in. Not sure how that's going to help anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjbBuZafv4c

To get the gracious grace period granted by WotC, you have to agree to OGL 2.0.

IT'S A TRAP!


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The age of OGL is over. The time of the ORC has come!


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WHOOP! THERE IT IS!!!

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si7v

That's it, in the coming weeks I will be purchasing EVERYTHING Pathfinder 2E I can lay my hands on!!!!!


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rclifton wrote:

Just noticed, everyone’s favorite pdf download store’s “Bestselling Titles” are all 2e and 3e from the company updating the ogl…

People starting to worry old material will soon disappear?

They've done it before, and demanded the items be removed from people's libraries.


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Driftbourne wrote:
see wrote:
Note that the EFF statement got updated today, with a suggestion that the OGL 1.0a is NOT revocable.

But it all so says WotC can revoke it from new users using it. So old content would be safe, which is great for Paizo with a warehouse of inventory, but could stop new content creators from using OGL 1.0a

That's not how it works, really. Anything released under OGL 1.0a is still covered under OGL 1.0a. The 5E SRD is still open even with OGL 1.1. I still have a copy of SRD 5.1. It was released under OGL 1.0a and I will use it under that license according to the terms of that license.


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Saedar wrote:
Leon Aquilla wrote:

The only reason I've ever picked up an EvilHat Productions game was to see what all the hype for Blades in the Dark was. Played it a few weeks. Thought it was okay. And put it down in favor of something that the writer put more effort into fleshing out.

It's a good (what we used to call) "beer and pretzels" game, but it's not Pathfinder.

For you, based on your single interaction. I've played campaigns of comparable length and complexity to Paizo APs using Fate and Apocalypse World and Monsterhearts andandand. Don't confuse market dominance for depth of play. Fine to not like it personally but you don't need to diminish its value.

An open license that is irrevocable in the language for me to use Pathfinder SRD content? Yeah, no need for anything else. Your mileage may vary.


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If Paizo is going the route of its own Open license, I will be a Pathfinder player forever and never again go back to ANY Wizards product.


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"Aristophanes wrote:
"Where do you think their orders come from?

Cynthia Williams


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The EFF has waded into it:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/01/beware-gifts-dragons-how-dds-open-gam ing-license-may-have-become-trap-creators


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12Seal wrote:
I've used Roll20, but it isn't always convenient for scheduling. I've taken to forum and Discord lately.

I was actually all set to reactivate my Paramount+ subscription for content other than the D&D series until I heard the announcement. I let them know, too.


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Dancing Wind wrote:

Only if you agree to it Only if you want to keep earning income.

Essentially anyone who has IP rights they don't want to donate to Hasbro will have to stop creating new material and can't sell any old material starting 48 hours from now.

Nope, but my guess is if it's 1.0a, Kickstarter will pull it.

This is why I will never back another Kickstarter should it happen.


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12Seal wrote:
Ick, so "we get your stuff" is in full effect as of the 13th.

Only if you agree to it.


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Harles wrote:

I downloaded all my PDFs from Paizo and have them safely stored on physical media.

I'm debating getting the official PDFs of things I normally access on Archives of Nethys [Dark Archive, etc.] - but that would get really pricey over the course of just a few days. (I wouldn't mind if I had a couple months to spread out the purchases.)

I used HTTrack to mirror Archives of Nethys locally.


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OCEANSHIELDWOLPF 2.0 wrote:

“One DnD”. One game to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. To assert total and utter, final control, to find the outliers and scurriers having weird strange unkempt fun and to diminish them, co-opt them, steal them and claim their creativity to be diluted, watered down, de-idea’d and rechurned out as Splogg. There can be only One.

Evil, hackneyed, mustachio twirling stuff. Because when capitalism hits fun, owners, big owners, squeeze and destroy the little owners, and all the consumers are debased by the whole.

D&Done


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Coridan wrote:

First, as amusing as that would be, it's almost certain that KotOR had a separate agreement with WotC, as at the time Wizards held the RPG license for Star Wars. I doubt their agreement had any reliance on the OGL.

Second, they're not trying to fine you for driving yesterday, but the fear is that they'll try to stop people from continuing to sell more copies of stuff previously published under the OGL.

A lot of people are panicking though over something that is really really gonna go poorly for WotC in court, and probably wasn't their actual intention. It was likely meant to be a poison pill clause like the GSL but phrased differently. Or someone with no concept of caselaw on open source licensing thought they could get away with it and is probably getting an education right now in between the leak and the official release (which is supposed to be on the 13th according to the leak)

The fault in your position is assuming it will ever be argued in any court of law. Nuclear Lawfare is conducted by companies that know they stand little chance of winning a case decided in a court by a judge, but use their financial position to wear down the opposition so much they either go bankrupt or must walk away from litigation due to the extreme cost of legal services before the case is EVER argued in a court.


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Raynulf wrote:
To my understanding, the only 'safe' option is to move completely away from anything D&D derived, such as Savage Worlds. But that is a lot of work, and my guess is that Hasbro/WotC management are banking on players being too lazy/complacent to do so, and publishers not having the cash to fund the change.

Savage Worlds does not operate under an open license, which is why, after looking at their material and thinking it was really very good, I chose to discount them as a possibility.

I will only go open. If Paizo decides to fight it, I'll go Paizo.


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Onkonk wrote:
AnimatedPaper wrote:
Xyxox wrote:


But Hasbro has many times more money to throw at the case than all of the combined third party producers could come up with together and could bankrupt them all long before a judgement is ever achieved should they decide to go the Lawfare route unless others join in to help fund such a lawsuit.

Given that Disney and Microsoft would both also be affected by a complete shut down of OGL, money to fight an injunction might not be an issue.

Whether either company cares enough to fight the full battle, I couldn’t guess. But telling WotC to take a long walk off a short pier if they want Disney to stop selling KotoR (ancient as it is now), that seems likely.

Edit: actually, I suppose Disney would have incentive to sue Hasbro into tiny tiny pieces regardless of the actual issue at hand, so who knows.

AFAIK regardless if WotC manages to revoke the OGL1.0, everything already made under the OGL1.0 license is safe but you can't use it for future products.

The issue is in how they seem to be revoking it. From what I have seen they do not use the term "revoked" The term is "unauthorized" As such it is no longer a valid license for anything under section 9 of the OGL and thus can only be compliant under OGL 1.1. It's a bully move to be sure and likely would not hold up is a court of law if that is, in fact, what they are doing. As many have said, WotC/Hasbro has the funds to BURY any opponent in pre-trial motions after a painstakingly long and expensive discovery process at such a high cost that any opponent going down the litigation road would be bankrupted long before a single argument as to facts is heard in a court. It's not that WotC/Hasbro would believe they have a legal leg to stand on, it's that they believe they can insure it never makes it before a court to be heard.


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Coridan wrote:
I know there's this idea that big companies can throw lots of money and win a case, and in certain situations that's true, but this isn't really one of those situations.

They don't throw money at a case to win the case. They throw money at a case to drive their opponent into bankruptcy before the case can even get close to a decision being made. This could definitely be one of those situations if WotC/Hasbro has decided to declare Lawfare to get all aspects of the D&D IP back.


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kyrt-ryder wrote:
breithauptclan wrote:
Kobold Catgirl wrote:
Even if WotC isn't touching the OGL, and all the leaks are somehow wrong, it's never a bad thing to keep them afraid to touch it in the future. I say, keep the torches and pitchforks coming.

And also, abandon the OGL in favor of an actual open content license that doesn't have this type of loophole in it in the first place.

Re-releasing the PF2 CRB without it wouldn't be a bad plan.

There is no real loophole.

Some corporate schmuck just noticed that modern licenses use "Irrevocable" where licenses of the time said "perpetual" and fired up the machine.

WotC's odds of winning this in court are less than 20% from everything I've been reading. All the precedence is stacked against them.

But Hasbro has many times more money to throw at the case than all of the combined third party producers could come up with together and could bankrupt them all long before a judgement is ever achieved should they decide to go the Lawfare route unless others join in to help fund such a lawsuit.


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Vardoc Bloodstone wrote:

So this may be a hot take - but I think we should all chill and hold off on the torches and pitchforks.

Contracts, intellectual property, and licensing law is not for the faint of heart. There are a lot of doom-and-gloom articles and posts out there, but most of them are from folks who have no idea what they are talking about. The best one I saw was with an actual lawyer on Roll For Combat, and even he had a lot of qualifiers to his thoughts. He did seem to believe that this isn’t the end-of-the-world.

So I totally get the concern over our favorite hobby. But I’d wait until something official comes out (not a leak), and/or when Paizo comes out with something official.

It may be too late once something official comes out. already downloaded the DriveThruRPG app and downloaded everything, placing it on a local backup and into a cloud storage space I have. Working on getting all of my stuff from Paizo downloaded and saved in both spaces as well. I ahve a lot more there and no app to do it nice and clean.

I'm also looking at purchasing anything I want under OGL 1.0a as soon as possible because once OGL 1.1 goes live, it may no longer be available.

I've mirrored the Archives of Nethys site as well. Made sure I got copies of as many different SRDs as possible, too.


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Brinebeast wrote:

I hope this very quickly goes vary badly for Hasbro/Wizards. And that we all get to read headlines that say something along the lines of -

"Hasbro roles a natural One D&D and critically fumbles"

I think they underestimate the fan base, especially where the loyalties really lie. Do you really think their legal team anticipates the possibility of a multi-million dollar crowdsourced legal fund to fight them on this? The people involved in sales definitely know that Kickstarters resulted in millions being raised. Critical Role raised over $11 million for a cartoon series. Certainly the legal funding can be crowdsourced if WotC/Hasbro is hell bent on lawfare and the base is very large.


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captain yesterday wrote:

As far as boycotting goes, I've been boycotting WotC since 4th edition Forgotten Realms came out. So I guess welcome to my world!

Bring your own cookies.

I went back to WotC for 5th edition. Stupid me, once the One D&D garbage started to come out, (now referred to as D&Done by me), came back to give Pathfinder 2E a look. Stupid me. Will have to buy up what I want quick it seems.


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JoelF847 wrote:
Ender's Game the movie was affected by being a pretty bad movie and adaptation way more than it was by the boycott.

Given the history of D&D movies, this one is more likely to bomb than not, anyway.


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Coridan wrote:
Dancing Wind wrote:
Coridan wrote:
I absolutely believe they will try to fight it, and the first step would be an injunction against WotC to keep the 1.0 in place while the legal battle ensues. Precedent is entirely on their side.

Here's what Paizo has actually said about what they're going to do

Quote:
Paizo Inc., publisher of the Pathfinder RPG, one of D&D’s largest competitors, declined to comment on the changes for this article, stating that the rules update was a complicated and ongoing situation.
That's them declining to comment until A - Wizards actually announces what they intend to do (remember this is just a leak) and B - They have (several) meetings with their attorneys to discuss the situation. That's a statement of nothing at the moment.

I would point out, Paizo benefits from third party creators who use OGL 1.0a licensing to create products compatible with Pathfinder 2E, so they have more skin in the game than simply cutting a deal with Hasbro. Abandoning OGL 1.0a could have an impact on Paizo's bottom line regardless of what sort of a deal they can cut with Hasbro.


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Arachnofiend wrote:
Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:

In a completely not-surprising turn, WotC just forbid any discussion of OGL 1.1 on the official D&D Discord.

They really want to burn the bridge they are standing on, I'm having the feeling that some boomer exec who doesn't understand the hobby came down on Wizards and told them to shift things up and get rid of that Paizo thing, this will be a fun catastrophe to watch.

As a wise man once said: "you couldn't even boycott Chik-fil-a". Hasbro can expect a month of whining from their community at most, and after that if the court case goes well for them it'll be business as usual with more taken off the top.

Boycotting Ender's Game as a movie DESTROYED it as a cinematic universe. It bombed at the box office and ended any hope of additional movies, because of a boycott.

The same could eb done with a certain movie that is close to release...


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Dancing Wind wrote:
Danbala wrote:
Their lawyer will tell them to pick one of the lanes above and then either seek a TRO/Pre Inj against the new license or a dec relief action to find that their product in non-infringing.
Or, their lawyer may help them negotiate a separate, individual licensing agreement with WOTC that only applies to Paizo.

And this may also be WotC's strategy. Cut agreements with the big companies that basically leave them alone (Paizo, Kobold Press, Critical Role, Green Ronin, etc.) then go after everything medium to small level and cut their monetary throats with endless lawsuits.


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H2Osw wrote:

My thoughts on this. Wotc wanted this version leaked so when the real one drops it'll be terrible but less so and people can say, see looks it's better than what was leaked and just go along with it.

**takes off tinfoil hat**

I'd say that is highly likely.


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John Lance wrote:
I'm amused by the timing of that PBS hit-piece on the OSR community that just so happened to drop right in the middle of this growing OGL situation. WotC doing a little media battlefield prep, if I'm not mistaken. Wizards really must be worried about the optics of this whole thing if they're already thinking along those lines....

What they want is for everything to be handled by a license that is more draconian than the GSL was and may try to accomplish it, but their own words about the OGL would rise to the level of contract in a court and their attempts would be thrown out. The FAQ was used to make business decisions more than 20 years ago and they clearly state that every version of the OGL would always be permanent. I wonder if Hasbro even knows that FAQ exists as it has subsequently been removed from the WotC web site, but as we all know the internet is forever.


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Trondster wrote:

Hopefully the attempt to "unauthorize" the OGL 1.0a will be rejected - I do not believe that the attempt will hold up in court.

Well - Hasbro seems so finally have united the role playing community. The bad news is that they now are united against Hasbro.

If it goes to court it will be thrown out quickly as WotC themselves stated clearly that EVERY OGL would be PERMANENT in the original OGL FAQ:

https://web.archive.org/web/20010429033432/http://www.wizards.com/D20/artic le.asp?x=dt20010417e

Third parties relied upon that information to make decisions. They cannot revoke it now.


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Jon_Danger wrote:
Xyxox wrote:
Grankless wrote:

"perpetual" does not mean "irrevocable".

An article by an IP lawyer on the subject.

True, but there is no language within the perpetual license on how specifically to revoke it, thus certain conditions must be met. That is a tough road to hoe for WotC as there is a two way quid pro quo in the license and all they can do is throw money at lawyers to drag it out and wear down the opponents before a decision is ever made. Again, the EFF is the best bet here because any decision on this will have HUGE ramifications for open source software licensing and they have won against bigger entities than WotC/Hasbro.

Thanks for sharing.

It is pretty clear that the legal standing WOTC has to revoke a previously listed as unrevocable agreement is hazy. It has been pointed out that irrevocable could reasonably be interpreted as authorized forever. Those terms are often legally interchangeable.

They are using creative language in the proposed OGL 1.0a to try to put the lid on pandoras box. It will be very difficult to argue this in court in good faith.

Another thing about contractual agreements, which accepting a lciense essentially is, courts turn to original intent and to get to the original intent one must look at the original FAQ regarding WotC's ability to revoke a version of the OGL, hence let's fire up the Wayback Machine and take a look...

https://web.archive.org/web/20010429033432/http://www.wizards.com/D20/artic le.asp?x=dt20010417e

If you go read that, WotC admits EVERY version of the OGL is PERMANENT. Now, agreeing to OGL 1.1 could force you to do everything under OGL 1.1, which is why no creator should accept the terms and conditions of OGL 1.1. It's a trap.


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Grankless wrote:

"perpetual" does not mean "irrevocable".

An article by an IP lawyer on the subject.

True, but there is no language within the perpetual license on how specifically to revoke it, thus certain conditions must be met. That is a tough road to hoe for WotC as there is a two way quid pro quo in the license and all they can do is throw money at lawyers to drag it out and wear down the opponents before a decision is ever made. Again, the EFF is the best bet here because any decision on this will have HUGE ramifications for open source software licensing and they have won against bigger entities than WotC/Hasbro.


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OGL 1.0a is a perpetual license, it cannot be revoked or "un-authorized" without certain conditions being met. Those are rare and require much evidence, and all current evidence would go against Hasbro/WotC being capable of revoking the license under current conditions. WotC can do whatever they like but it is a contractual agreement and the courts tend to give less leverage to those who write the contract. Perpetual means just that, perpetual.

I've already started taking 5E rules in my homebrew from the 5E SRD and have been re-writing things for my new version of it, Trailblazer. I'll give it away for free for anybody under OGL 1.0a and WotC can go to the 666th level of the Abyss for all I care.

Ryan Dancey has stated the OGL cannot be revoked or deauthorized and had they intended for WotC to have that power it would have been enumerated in the OGL.

If I was Paizo, I would be contacting the Electronic Frontier foundation as any legal decision giving WotC the power to revoke OGL 1.0a will have MASSIVE effects on open source software licensing and the perpetuality that exists in that space as well.


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Tangorin wrote:
To be fair switching from pathfinder was the best thing Mercer and company could've done to gain traction.

Maybe the terms of the new OGL?

https://youtu.be/oPV7-NCmWBQ

Heck, if they can convince the courts they can revoke the OGL1.0a, which may be what they are trying to do, Paizo could be put out of business. Given the US court system, anything is possible.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I love PLAYING dungeon crawls, not running them.

I LOVE running Dungeon Crawls. I've written so many over the years that they have become a specialty of mine. In fact, the first campaigns I ran back in the 70s were almost exclusively dungeon crawls in OD&D rules (+ expansions as the came out).


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And I have now downloaded everything else I've purchased from Paizo using my instructions from my above post.


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I have now successfully downloaded the entire Humble Bundle, including all formats for each product.

I accomplished this in IE by first queuing about a dozen files for personalization, then going back and downloading. I've found that five files in the download queue usually resulted in timeouts on the sixth download, so I started waiting for a download to complete before starting the next download, all the while keeping 5 downloads in the queue. By simply being patient and taking the time, I was able to queue personalization and downloading dynamically, which took about 6 hours for every file in the Humble Bundle.

YMMV.


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Now it's not even personalizing the files any more.