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Glad things are woking out. Goood luck.
I've heard several people suggest APs. I personally along with two other GMs don't use them. Here's why from First Ed D&D which Pathfinder is based off of to First Ed Pathfinder have found modules tend to insist railroad players to do things that one way. First Ed D&D was the worst but I have seen some of it in Pathfinder. Players that don't follow the script are punished some horribly so.
My advice for running your ow campaign is base it off an establish world. I kow several people who still use 3.5 Forgotten Realms. Tat way most of the big stuff is done. If you design your own world you should have the basics done focus on one area where you lann on running for at least a few adventures. A GM did it and it worked.

Can't find First Ed Pathfinder question forum. My question is was or is there an errata for Mammoth Rider Prestige Class. Since every version I've seen doesn't list wether they get any new weapons or armor profiencies

Juju Oracle is a good idea. 6HD worth of control per level is a nice start along with max HP zombies. Get a Griffin or manticore to ride on later. Another idea is Occultist Necromancer implement. You add more undead to control per point put into implement above and beyond the normal amount of control.
If you need an additional theme element make her Osirian by birth. Egyptians loved cats, having them killed and mummified with their owners. If she's a NPC make her a Mummy template with her cats buried with her in a tomb.

The feat is pretty cool all things considered. But here's my question. I've got a melee build kobold with a positive str of 14. With this feat would I add 4 points to my str for damage purposes? In this case instead of +2 damage would I know do +4 instead since my strength in this case would be 18?

That's something I have found annoying all things considered. I mean you in one dungeon crawl burn through all your charges. Now downtime you are a Wizard who decides just to stay home and recharge your staff. It takes Ten days to recharge it. I always thought that was C$%^ I mean seriously why shouldn't you be able to spend all your spells in one day to recharge your staff and be done with it? I get it's a game balance issue. Truthfully I don't think it's an issue I think it's said word above!

It's not about alignment, not really. A mistake was made in game the halforc player misunderstood. Now the GM and players should have spent a moment clearing the issue up. Once cleared up the Half Orc should have then decided reasonably and intelligently what to do. From what I read he was the first to make contact with the dragon. The dragon offered him a counter proposal that the half orc didn't like. Now both being LG should have discussed this matter. He should have been able to refuse explaining why and the dragon should have accepted his decision.
This is one reason why I hate Paladins. Paladins are a badass class. But to offset them they have a rather restrictive alignment. Lawful Good is not an easy alignment to roleplay especially with a Paladin. You can lose being a paladin very easily. They can;t murder a bunch of bandits when they surrender. They have to attempt to prevent the rest of the party to do so.
In this case the player misunderstood. Now if he understood after everything was explained and di everything he did exactly the same. I as a GM would have warned him he was in danger of being turned to a standard fighter if he does said actions. If he still chose to do so he is no longer a paladin and maybe even a drop in alignment. He isn't playing LG more like CG.

Okay no topic on sex fair enough. Prefer skeletons to zombies they are normally cleaner then a zombie.
Have a math question want to make sure I get it right.I am asking here since it is full of necromatic experts. So the rules for creating skeletons is simple you can control 4 HD of dead per lvl. So 5th level I can control 20 1 HD base skeletons. Now I want to make them Bloody. They now are treated for casting and controlling 2HD. Now here's the question I add Burning to them as well. Yes they stack. Do they count as 3 HD or 4 HD for control purposes.
In one campaign plan on having a small assualt squad of Burning Bloody skeletons for battlefield control want to get my numbers right

Becoming undead isn't bad. Depending on the route you take. No longer need to eat drink or breath. You need the rest for spell regeneration but a ring takes care of that little annoyance. You become immune to an ass load of stuff.
Now there is one glaring flaw I see with undeath. No More Sex.

Before you completley dismiss Lizardfolk check out the Monster Codex. They have templates of advanced level lizardfolk. I think I saw a few high level ones and encounters for them around if not higher then your party's current level.
Except for Hill most giants are not completely stupid. They could throw rocks at the flyers from range then attempt to hide and move. Keep them moving so the flyers and those on foot have to keep moving and guessing where they really are. If done right they may even think there are more then there really are.
A friend years ago had this trap and it was brutal. We were in this one section of swamp where it was covered with thick pressed down grass. In the center was a hut we were walking towards. A wizard aimed a fireball at us some distance hidden away. The fireball set of the methane pocket under the grass. Not only did we takes some hefty damage but the whole place was on fire having us make checks to figure out which way was out of the inferno. We ended up losing our Cavalier and his mount and most of us were severely damaged.

How might one join? I am currently playing in a weird World of Warcraft style campaign as a Drow Necromancer. The more we play the more I;m thinking of dropping his second class for Juju Oracle and evnetually go Agent of the Grave I have friends undead controller. Admittedly his name Clavicle isn't entirely original but I am really loving him

I apologize for not offering my sympathies. I know what it's like to lose such a cared member of the family. A regret I have was when Buddy my wife's dog needed to be put to sleep, the cancer had spread too far in him for surgery, I was out of state on business. She knew is was important and doesn't blame me but I blame myself.
We currently have four dogs all chihuahuas and one cat. Right now we are scrapping money together to get the oldest Tiffany "Babygirl" to a vet since she's having issues. Fortunately the other three all boys and at least half her age are healthy little snots.

I hosted two games at my house before Covid then went to D20 after. I have four chihuahuas and a cat. One of the puppies and my cat think they are supposed to be in my face and on my laptop. I love them but not when they do that.
My pets are not just animals they are my family. My wife and I love all of them

What you could do which was a common tactic in another games system was foreshadowing. Let the players somehow witness the party but not actively be there. The reason for this suggestion is I have seen players decide to try and fight monsters way above thier level thinking they have to. Even if the monsters use non lethal force the party will get stomped on hard.
Maybe they are invited to the party aware they are not supposed to fight that could work. The idea of a Alice in Wonderland Tea party is because it comes across as a bit silly but at the same time scary as hell. A Vampire drinking tea dressed in a frilly sort of outfit. A Balrog asking everyone to show manners. a Hag actually looking more like Jessica Rabbit not an evil old crone. The party walking in on this being invited to sit and enjoy the refreshments. Skill check to see what is being served and if they really want what is offered. That tea isn't tea but something else. Blood of a Unicorn? Something to consider for this party these are high level powerful Evil monsters. Finger food might actually be fingers more then likely an angel or something along those lines. A result of intruding on the tea party is someone suggests the PCs play a game.

In most of my games the players made sure the monsters were dead well below zero. In some cases they stuck them to make sure they were dead. I had no issue with this since I never planned on mosnters surviving an encounter. My issue was in one campaign I had the group capture two prisoners. Now I never planned on the prisoners coming back the PCs got XP. One player refused to still let them live citing they could come back. Even out of game he insisted on killing them. The campaign ended shortly after and two I reinforced my ban on Chaotic Neutral alignment.

I don't know how hard or expensive it is to find first ed modules but TSR did the whole Alice in Wonderland theme rather well.
The Tea party idea with powerful monsters could actually work as your BBGG. The party they have are to start and bet of the various world theme games. Candyland could be the purview of a Gingerbread demon witch. Plants versus Zombie several demons specializing in undead. Maybe use a Qupploith for the plant creature. Roman gladitoral games any major monster could be into that. A Bhatgest for the shruken world.
For the shruken world Micheal Crighton did a novel on that name escapes me perfect for ideas. In shruken land don't discount insects. Red Ants as tiny as they are can be a threat to people in the south. Now picture them as large as you. Same with other predatory bugs. Praying Mantis the size of a house to you. People are afraid of spiders, now imagine that fear when it's the size of an elephant chasing you.

The horror story above reminded me of another. It was about worm like creatures killing townsfolk and the outlying farms. I don't remember it but it was set in the old west and rather well done for a horror. As bad as it was. Cowboys and Aliens might work as well. It actually had like several subplots unexplored you could work with.
Something to bear in mind is this is an old west theme guns are going to be common. A gun against touch AC can quickly overshadpw the two weapon brute tank. Despite what movies and TV potray not everyone was a gunslinger and carried a gun. Most actual cowboys carried a rifle for hunting and chasing off predators. The revolver was against things like snake or scorpions in boots. Shooting the rope if the fell off the horse.
I love the Wild West theme and have tried to get into others doing it so good luck

Most games I have run as Sandbox style. That is mostly because in another game system they did what was called Hook Line Sinker. They broke down the adventure in three parts. The hook getting the party interested. Line was to get them going and stay going. The sinker usually was the twist to the story. Example damsel in distress is the rival of the bad guy PCs are after. The game system didn't have any real modules or adventures. They gave you ideas but you had to do most of the work to make the adventure happen. When I switched to Pathfinder I was used to doing that.
Regarding Damsel in distress during the supposed time period and theme men and women are supposed to be good guys. As such seeing a normal woman crying is supposed to evoke an emotional response. Enough to at least have the good guys ask what's troubling her. Depending on the task which you could makee it sound easy and simple. Deliver the basket to granny find my lost sheep, etc, etc.Of course the task isn't that easy it starts the adventure because the PCs accepted the plot hook.
I have seen and in one case myself had to railroad PCs into doing what they need to do. You give the players every hint clue even reward for them to do the adventure. They decide just because to ignore them and do the opposite of what they are supposed to do. The example of hero's father murdered the hero gets a Neon sign saying go here to find and kill father's murderer. They decide to go the opposite direction. You ask the player why he isn't why his character which you designed the adventure around why not. Half the players respond I don't want to.

Some players I had two you do have to beat with a stick to get to pay attention and play. They will miss or ignore sometimes even both the clues and hints you drop that they need for a random side quest or even the main adventure theme.
I personally hate being railroaded into doing something. Old AD&D adventures were infamous for that. In order to really start the adventure your characters have to be killed. The suggestion was throw a few plural Beholders or dragons at the party. After they are slaughtered villain revives them telling them your my servant don't obey you die again. Or traveling from point A to say E you are forced to go in order when logically there is a better faster smarter way.
With some players you needed to do that. Most others can take a hint and do something. Damsel in distress needs help most good especially Lawful Good would try and find out what is troubling the damsel. They might say no but at least they'd ask.
On a side note something that drives me nuts is how little people play their characters alignment. I tend to enforce it with the exception of Chaotic Neutral I ban that alignment. Too many times I see a players screw up a game even a campaign then say I'm playing my alignment. No they are being an A$$. But I have seen players have on their character sheet a good alignment and do more evil crap then the sneaky evil character. I have seen a Paladin rob torture and kill someone without a need to except the player is a greedy jerk. Most GMs I know don't even blink at that.

GM favoritism in regards to helping a newish forgetful player remember and improve his character isn't a bad thing. What bothers me about that is when they have played the game for over a year especially the same character and still depends on the GM to help him or her along. It doesn't take a lot of effort to study your character at some point and learn what he can and can't do.

I have talked with a few of my gaming group. I am wrong. My opinion is Pazio should have been clearer on this point. It states it loses it's special abilities provides no bonuses to it's master and can't be improved. And it states at the very end it alters the Familiar class feature. All of that together suggests that it's too different for most archtypes offered.
Spermy why a cockroach and the archtype. I'm not judging I'm more curious.

Mutagen fighter replaces armor training. Use the mutagen for difficult fights getting a boost to natural AC and the +4 to Str giving me a little more hitting power. Have Power Attack with Furious Focus plan on Cleave later on.

I'm a two handed fighter wielding a heavy flail. Dodge is an option and have armor focus breastplate as bonus fighter feat. Just looking for every bit of protection I can get. Our GM tends to get high die rolls.

In this case Warpriest. A warpriest is a hybrid of a cleric and fighter. Could he take Defender of society a trait reserved only for fighters. Could any hybrid take any traits reserved for their base classes. Slayers and Hunters gain Ranger only feats and traits. Etc, etc.

Armor Focus the feat is you get a +1 bonus. It's for one type of armor and normally doesn't stack. In my case I have a Breastplate so it grants me a +7 to AC. Now I have a kilt which makes it heavy and provides another plus to my total AC.
My question is I take armor focus for kilt would I get another plus to my total ac. o it would go 6 for breastplate 1 for kilt. +2 for armor focus twice once for the breastplate one for the kilt?

So playing a cleric in a pirate style campaign. Planning on having undead friends. If I create a Wand of Animate Dead it at minimum level gives me 20 HD worth of undead under my command. Now as a cleric of 5th level I get 20 HD worth of undead. Would I with the wand have 40 HD worth under my control?

In Wrath of the Rightous I played an elf whose parents were killed by demons. He was raised by a Dwarf uncle. So why he was an elf he dressed and acted dwarven. He was a blast to play with the GM finding him interesting. He shunned the one elf NPC important to the campaign because one the guy is a jerk two because he identified more with dwarves then elves.
My point is fantasy or real life people may identify more with a culture more then their own.

Let's look at this from an alignment side. Ignore class for a moment. If you are Lawful Good you are the voice of right and wrong of the party. You believe in what is right and lawful. Killing helpless combantents is simply wrong regardless of what they are. This could be helpless commoners of humans to goblin babies. You should be telling the rest of the party No. You should be standing between them and their targets of murder. You should be suggesting alternative solutions to simply murder. If you not only say or do nothing you are guilty of murder. You should have your alignment drop.
Only Paladins face any real consequences for an alignment shift. Is it fair? Yes and no. Yes because Paladins are the most powerful martial class. They have abilities that are just OP compared to other Martial classes. Here's the no part. Every other class loses nothing for the alignment shift. Most players rarely even consider the shift. A shift in alignment is supposed to be traumatic. I have personally seen a player respond with any reaction maybe three four at the most. I have been playing well over twenty years.
My current group almost everyone had their alignment shift only one player even seemed to care. He is the only one working to become his original alignment. This is supposed to be from a predominately good aligned party.

I know you said other then Cavalier but I wish to point out a couple of things a couple of Cavalier archtypes allow you to keep Expert Trainer. Expert Trainer is needed to get Horse Master which allows your mount to go up by your total character level rather then Cavalier level. So at 4th level you can become another class. At 6th level you get Horse Master and your mount is your level. Another feat allows you to take Vermin or Plant companions as your mount. A bit weird but different. Other feats allow you to take a medium mount even if you are medium yourself.

I may yet get to play a Goblin Winged Maruader Alchemist. Looks by armor and what not as a World War One pilot. Repeating Crossbow when not using Bombs.
I am however playing a Cavalier(Saurion Champion),Monk(Sohei),Magus(Kensai) Tiefling. His bak ground is he's originally from Kaoling so his Tiefling features are more Oni Asian in looks. His Dinosaur is a raptor named Jade. The surprising thing I this combination really works.

Might I suggest a Mystic Thuerge build. Yes I know a Thuerge is not an optimal Prestige Class. Here's why I suggest it. You use you Arcane spell for yourself for defense and offense. Clerical for Buffs,Healing and Summoning. Until recently I was never a fan of Summoning spells. Yet our Druid in a current game has summoned two Elementals that have proven more then capable of handling monsters. At worst they can serve as meat shields protecting you.
If you take a Wizard Archtype don't take one that gives up Scribe Scroll. Here's why, you can scribe both Clerical and Arcane and you get it for free. I'm working on retraining my wizard to be a Druid Wizard thuerge to go this route and so far the numbers are pretty solid.

Floating Disc is a first level spell with a duration of an hour per level. Third level take Extend metamagic feat doubles the duration. So now it lasts two hours per level. 6 hours per casting at third level. There is a feat called Magic Trick. Right now it is only for Floating Disc. It is in Distant Shores and well worth looking into.
Another solution for the strength defiency is take 2 levels of Summoner Synthesist archtype. Your Eidolon fuses with you giving you his physical stats. So now your wimpy old goblin can function as a more robust goblin. You can sacrifice Hp to keep it alive and on you. You take all the spells from the summoner for Restore Eidolon lesser to keep it healthy. The Eidolon gives you a natural armor bonus which stacks with the armor spell. You take Magical Knack Trait which allows your caster level to be two higher equal to your total character level. So 2 levels of Summoner wouldn't hurt your wizard overall except you wouldn't get that level 20 ability. Most campaigns I have been in we never got all the way to 20.
It was pointed out Goblins are not well received in towns and cities. Take ranks in Disguise. When you get some money purchase Cap of Human guise. 800 gold allows you to look like an adult Halfling or a human child. Depending on your group and what your goblin does they shouldn't care your a goblin and work with you to keep you alive in social situations.

Have read the archtype and posts. I'm disappointed that the ooze form was intended to be a secondary more useless form. The biggest hit for the class is not being able to carry anything. I can think of two ways to get spells and magical weapon abilities. First take levels in Monk with Feral Combat Training. The secondary benefit is you might with high Wis and Dex a good AC. The no spells solution is take Psychic class with Eschew Materials feat.
Truthfully I like the idea of being an ooze for most of an adventure. It would make for an interesting player. You take a race with telepathy and communication problem is solved. Go around introducing yourself. "Hi I'm Oswald the Ooze."
Next time I run I will make the house rule stating the form is like Wild Shape. You can carry your gear you just can't use it in ooze form.

Thank you Graystone.

Maybe I missed this but I have a question. Shadowbound Curse is from where? Because the only place I have seen ShadowBound anything is a Corruption which is completely different then an Oracle Curse. If that his argument Corruptions being what they are should override anything being how nasty they are. Corruptions in my opinion override natural immunities since they almost always occur after birth. So he has Lightbringer to start, then gets the Corruption. The Corruption essentially destroys the immunities.

The issue I'm now seeing isn't so much what he is trying to do but the fact he can and is. I think what he is doing is a waste. Yes you could take elf and lose most of your more powerful abilities to be immune to light conditions. But why? I'm not seeing an upside to what he is doing.
I mean sure he is immune to his curse condition. I think he's gimped himself when he didn't have to at all.

I like Oracles have played a few over the last few years. The cures at higher levels actually get useful. The question isn't removing the curse he or she has found a way to negate the penalties. Now while an interesting way of doing it, The question is why? Elves are not really geared for the class no bonus to Chr. To get Light Bringer he gives up his normal immunities and magical abilities.
After reading everyone's post I'd allow him. It isn't cheating really just a different way of nullifying a curse. I could take Lame lose ten feet, then take a level of Cleric gaining the Travel Domain and gain a ten foot enhancement bonus. The curse is still there it just doesn't affect me.

I originally was going to say LightBringer nullifies the curse but Quibble address the issue in a logical manner I can't really argue against.

Talking about races and settings I do have a complaint with Pazio. The drow. I remember them from first ed D&D. The changes made as the editions changed. Pazio has kept them pretty much as they are. Here's the thing Pazio doesn't have Lolth not even their version. That alone should have changed a few details regarding the race. Lolth was a spider demon goddess. She hated men viewing them as an inferior species. You read about her and the fact the Drow were essentially her chosen people it all made sense why the Drow in earlier versions the way they were. But you read about the Drow now without Lolth key things don't make sense. Why the love of spiders? Just because. Why are men considered almost property? Again just because. Why are Driders now accepted as Citzens. Now this was answered. Driders are now Drow who chose to be transmutated into a spider hybrid race. I mean it may seem silly to others but I do think they should have spent effort to explain why the Drow of Pathfinder are still the same race from 3.5 even though they removed a key defining element about them as a race.

Both the Hunter and Cleric should be providing the heals since both get access to the healing spells the party needs. The real issue is why are you guys getting stomped on? It could be the GM is overestimating your abilities. I'm seeing from a class stand point a strong party. Clerics can go tank melee specialist almost as well as a fighter. The Hunter should have an animal companion to provide some more combat ability.

This happened in 1st ed D&D to explain things. A GM asked me to play a cleric for an evil campaign. Now clerics being my fave class I had no issue with this. He then said play a cleric of Tiamat. Now Tiamat was queen of all evil dragons. Guardian of the first layer of hell. She was not however a deity. I didn't think this was a problem since there were rules for granting of spells for creatures as powerful as her. Two seconds later got my concept. Scalemail wearing morning star wielding melee guy. The GM said nope. Before I could ask what he said your character is essentially Barbie wearing a chainmail bikini only able to use a knife. Oh to really piss me off no spells.
So my character is useless except for jokes and sexual remarks. The end of the first adventure our group are caught by the city guards. I looked at the GM and said I'm slitting my throat. The guy actually whined why. I told him I was playing this useless character because he asked me to. I asked him am I ever get better. He said no. He was still a whiny putz when I killed his Barbie.

This particular archtype cannot take the talent to improve it. It states their change time is based on how long it takes to get into armor. That is why I am asking. It's more about tanking up like Iron Man rather then getting into the mood like Batman.
The magical item is in fact armor which is why I ask.

I've had the pleasure of gaming with more or less the same group for twenty some odd years. We did a lot of stuff some memorable some not so much. A few encounters that stick out. We were playing Vampire the masquerade with us going to raid a house for some reason. So we were all getting into position ready to go when one of the PCs called out the danger word. Banana. Everyone freaked hightailing it out of there while my character is trying to get everyone back. It didn't help that my character kept saying. "No, there is no banana." The player in question called out the danger word just to see what would happen.
This one happened in 3E. I had just rejoined the group having missed most of the campaign. In it we had one character as a saint which was a chosen one of some deity. We had a Drow wizard as well. We arrived at this Dwarf kingdom where the saint is talking to the king a very, very lawful kind of guy. Between the saint and our Paladin managed to keep the Drow from being butchered. So the king asks us is there anything I can do for you. The Paladin asks. "Do you have any hookers in your city?" Before we can react to this question asks. "Is your daughter available?" The party all took about four steps away from the paladin expecting him to be killed in a bloody brutal manner. The GM was merciful allowing the paladin to stay alive although he should have been killed for that.

Regarding new and old players. I actually don't mind new players. They may be inexperienced as far as playing but they can and do bring an excitement to the table that older more experienced players don't anymore. I don't mind helping new players learn the game or make their characters since if they have a fun useful character they will have fun and want to play.
I have met quite a few older players, including my first group who do and in my case did nothing to help me learn. They handed me a wizard said play him when I knew nothing about the class. I threw a fireball not realizing fireballs have blast radius. The player next to me yanked the character out of my hand said play this handing me a cleric. I learned how to play it and the rogue myself. I have seen this behavior a lot regarding new players. I have seen older players slam on new people because they don't know much about the game. This generates a lot of bad feelings causing a lot of new players to quit before giving the game a fair chance. This is especially tragic since some old players are nothing but cheating jerks whose goal is simply to screw with a campaign and GM. Me I'd rather have a table full of new people actually interested in the game then a table full of older cheating jerks.

From what I'm reading it sounds if the players are just not interested in the Adventure Path. It happens friend of mine told me pirate sailing type adventures bore him as well as anything involving future tech. So even if I could get all the books for Skull and shackles or Iron Gods he wouldn't play in them. This may be the case with your group.
I'd suggest talking to them out of game. They may not want to play this adventure path. I get the feeling this is the case. There are several other modules out plus writing your own if you have the time.

Play a Fetchling or a Darkstalker race. Fetchlings with their racial traits and feats cover that perfectly. Of course this is from official pathfinder rules not your GMs rules. There is a book dedicated to races and classes that exists only in darkness as well.
I am curious to hear from your GM on everything you have said about your character and the other players. He might actually be okay with everything except your character. He might have been wrong about how he has dealt with your character. However you yourself have admitted "I like to make characters that break the game." To me that is like saying if my character isn't the most powerful character in the game I'm unhappy and am going to whine and complain.

Tactics says it eloquently. Bottom line seems this player wants to play chaotic disruptive stupid. You and the group should talk to him out of game. My old group's longevity was due to the fact we were friends and talked about things. It's one thing to play evil, had two campaigns where everyone was evil group had a blast with it. It's another to play chaotic stupid like this guy is.

Depends on the alter self player how he uses it. The Lizardfolk are not a +2 they are listed in the Race guide as an example and come in at 11 RP which is average for the normal races. The racial HD boost can be negated by running higher encounters.
Now he sounds like he is making several mistakes all of them can be fixed. More extreme is to start over and run a official Pathfinder campaign. Nothing from 3.5 or third press. This levels the playing field lowering everyone's power. Before starting this you all should have a chat and talk. If everyone is mature this can solve a lot of problems.

I gave Joker as an example of Chaotic Evil because he to me seems the closest villain to that alignment. Now Shrouded pointed out he can work with others and have patience to follow through with a plan.
The issue really doesn't seem to be about alignment about this player. He's playing Chaotic Stupid. Chaotic stupid is a player wanting to be an Ass because he thinks he can. My old group booted two players because of this. In both cases this was done after having several discussions out of game about their behavior both in and out of the game when we got together. It's harsh but my group suffered because the players drug everyone down. We all agreed we'd rather play WOW or Skyrim then play in a hostile environment the players were creating.

ShroudedinLight I think you ideas for playing evil is an interesting take. But your logic is flawed, You are focusing more on the chaotic part not the good and evil aspect. Consider this analogy. Batman is for this example Chaotic Good. He fights for the cause of good but often breaks the law to do it. Superman is Lawful Good he works with Batman but hates his methods but can often times overlook them since they fight for Good.
Now Joker is Chaotic Evil kills for fun. He doesn't work with anyone and has betrayed and even killed those he has worked for even though they were evil themselves. He has tortured and killed people just out of boredom. Other times he has targeted someone knowing it will cause others pain and suffering.
A Chaotic Evil person will never play nice in a group. They might work with someone for a moment but if a situation comes along that that person likes he will betray the party in a second. He won't warn them or even apologize when he does it.

I agree with Ciaran this will end badly. Before it ends badly think about this. The party wants to do evil things becoming evil themselves. You can do two things allow everyone to play evil and stupid throwing good guys against them until they are killed. Or have the evil player make a new character of a non evil alignment.