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I come back here when I get an update from Ninja Division and see that nothing has changed. It's quite depressing and seems only to reinforce a toxic association I find growing in me for Starfinder and I suppose Paizo in general. Its is a shame as I really enjoyed the time I spent playing the game in the past. I've moved on, and I suppose I should move on from checking these forums and website as it just makes me more sad.

So when you say:

After the first two turned it down, yeah.

You seem to affirm that Ninja Division was the only option. Only to follow up with:

Are they able to do sci-fantasy miniatures? What is their turnaround time? What was their product schedule like and did they have openings?

I honestly don't know anything about them. I only buy Pathfinder Battles and avoid unpainted/metal minis. But the existence of other companies does not mean other options were available.

Which shows you really know nothing of the process. Yet still feel confident to push forward the Ninja Division or nothing narrative despite

not having skin in the game.

That's quite special.

After the first two turned it down, yeah.

This is the type of answer that makes me think the Paizo-apologists on this thread are just trying to troll the angry fans. It seems to stick to a narrative that Ninja Division was the only other option despite no proof that they could accomplish this, and plenty to show they couldn't. We all know of many other companies that produce miniatures. Were they approached? But this nonsense narrative that it was only Ninja Division just is aggravating because it assumes a poor level of understanding of those hurt by this kickstarter of the miniature market in general. Was Fantasy Flight approached? How about Game Time? What of the myriad of board game makers that use highly detailed miniatures. To say it was Ninja Division or nothing seems to come from a fantasy.

It does seem strange to me that a company would allow the license to go to a company that had such a poor record, even at the time of the start of the kickstarter. I think that part of the question is where so much anger and frustration directed a Paizo comes from. I would really like to know why this decision was made. The answer that seems to be coming from non-Paizo apologists is that they needed minis is really poor. It seems to imply that Paizo was so desperate that they disregarded concerns over their fans to rapidly have a product sent to the market. While I have read Sara Marie say recently that, "Paizo absolutely cares", the actions that led to the ND licensing do not seem to reflect that. Maybe they care now, but that's after I have lost $400 to a predatory company they licensed and actively supported despite so many warning signs. In that case, thanks for your recent concern Paizo, but you helped to land me, and many others in this situation so your concern is now considered suspect.

Having no "minis in existence" is better than having no minis and no $400

I was waiting for the miniatures before I began to play Starfinder. I believe the kickstarter mentioned a May 2018 delivery. So I still have not yet played the game. Now with this failure I really feel like I have lost my taste to play it. Combined with 2E and I feel like I am just at the end of my relationship with Paizo which is a shame as I really enjoyed them for years. It makes me feel sad.

I was definitely not one of them

If they do not complete this KS I wonder if we will ever see these miniatures as retail sales even. Ninja Division probably owns the sculpts I would think.

Is Paizo doing anything to help with the concerns of their community?

Just terrible that it would be placed in such unreliable hands. I understand Ninja Division had a background of these types of fulfillment issues. It is a shame that I felt that with Paizo behind them it would be fine.

Nothing for me either. Now one of the threads is posting that there is a new Kickstarter coming from them for a different company. Why was Paizo so careless about their license. They have had such a good track record before. This is really frustrating.

I have also not gotten any of the minis from them. Is there any word on what is happening?

I have only ever seen alignment used for mechanical reasons or to infuence other players role-play options. I wouldn't miss it.

I really like the idea of the Half-Orc as an alternate racial trait to the human or full Orc playable PC. It would de-emphasize the sexual assault aspect yet still offer the playable option to all of the people here bragging about their loving Human-Orc parents.

It would be great to see the Orc in the new Core. Another part of the orc is that the view of them has evolved since AD&D and 1E PF. Playing in WoW or watching the movie Warcraft as well as their inclusion in other games has given them so much more of a realized place in fiction than I would say the gnomes have.

Can we finally go away from the Half-Orc as a race please. They imply sexual assault and really no longer fit into the modern inclusive approach to gaming that hasn't always been there. I would be happy if they were playable full orcs, but half-orcs are just disturbing.

That is a shame that we only were given the opportunity to play half of an AP in a non euro-setting before the end of the run of 1E games.

When are you planning to start. Also do you have any house rules to be aware of?

Is there a chance that this class may find its way to Herolabs like several of the other In the Company of classes?

I am sad to read, maybe into the statements of James Jacobs, that there is no future for a Tian Xia AP. I really liked that setting.

I enjoy most of the APs so far so I am sure that whatever the direction the future takes for these, it will be fine even if not in Tian Xia.

Is that true that Tian Xia sells less or speculation?

Something set in Tian Xia again please. I don't understand why it is so regularly ignored.

Arcadia and yes to hex grinding

Legacy of Fire!

Arcadia!

My group finished Giantslayer so here are some thoughts:

I really liked the first two books which dealt primarily with the Orc stuff. I found this compelling and enjoyed the sense of place that came with Belkzen and Trunau. Unfortunately after book 2 the AP sends you off into mountains and your essentially homeless murderhobos.

Book 5 was terrible and our GM did massive rewrites to make it work out as less of a mindless grind. In fact a lot of the later part of the AP is a massive grind that tested the creativity of our GM and her ability to rewrite and design substitute material.

The end boss was boring and not particularly flushed out.

So yeah, not too much love for GS but it really didn't live up to its potential.

I love Grigori! As the GM you have to be quite rotten and yet still passionate in making some really sophist arguments. My PCs were annoyed but not to the point of violence. But it led to a very memorable game session.

Perhaps you should look at the Razor Coast campaign that came out.

You should try it. It might prove to be interesting to see how well those capstones work and also make the campaign a bit more memorable. I would suggest bumping up the power level of the end fights but that is something I find always should happen as they are often in my experience weak compared to the power levels of the PCs.

I love the game and have been playing it regularly since 2009 and will continue to play it for years to come.

I still see a lot of people in my area interested in playing non-paizo classes like the Psionic ones and the monster Paragon classes.

Dick Cheney!

I like it, sometimes I come up with a character idea that is gear dependent and won't have to worry about finding this one special item that will pull my character idea together. This would help.

My hope is Arcadia! Pleeeeeease! My guess is something related to Pathfinder Society again, Shattered Star-esqu.

I'm super happy about this!!! I like these exotic races and hope that it encourages more writers to create fluff around them. I want to experience more stories centered around where they come from and what their society is like!!!

Thanks

How many metamagic rods can you use to enhance a spell in the same round? Can you use piercing, empowering and quicken?

I think it is strange that in a game where you can not be evil but you can cast evil aligned spells and bring dead things to kill living things. So my paladin being upset by this inconsistency is wrong?

I guess we just have to remember this is organized play so stop RPing and get the mission done. Your character personality and background mean nothing to the greater purpose of this "cooperate" idea that functions in the case of the necromancer as a loophole for do evil things (like use evil spells).

And people wonder why PFS is the home to the munchkin and powergamer. Its because RP is always placed secondary to kill and kill fast.

I hope some of the new races open up. I couldn't be more bored of the same old tolkien races. I also don't play maybe so much as many people but I do not see so many teifling and aasimar PCs that break the game and I see no Tengus.

Please allow us to play something other than the 40 year old way of seeing fantasy!

I suppose with the Numeria Ap coming soon we could use a Grease of the Androids book!

Don't you mean Lube of Androids!

blood of Foxes! Give me Kistune!!!!

Blood of the Frog for Griplis!

I also like the idea of books dedicated to each of the PFS factions so a Silver Crusade and Andoran book would be fun!

More of the option books for monsterous races like Hobgolbins and Gnolls in particular!

I would love to see a wuxia Tian AP

Arcadia AP sounds amazing as well.

i like the steampunkish Nex/Alkenstar/manawaste idea.

I think the attitude that I hear so much here is just go out and make a big group so you can also get boons. Some even here say "EARN YOUR BOON". Maybepeople think that people like me that find it objectionable to have to buy a 40$ book but not have full access to its content do not try to form big groups? This is not true. I would be very happy to have many people to play Pathfinder with. I have used the web andfriends and other connections. So far I am lucky to find 5 people to play. But they do not want to play Society so much because of many limitations. Now we have even more limitation because hardcover books come out that Society wont use. Between the unsympathetic people that "cant believe" people can not form big groups and more that think supporting Pathfinder with purchasedoes not "entitle" people makes me feel sad for thefuture of the community. Since I am one of "those who complain" I will just go away from this messageboard. I do not think my opinion worth hearing to people hear. Sorry.

And that is the problem. You think just because something is being released by the company that it should be legal for play. You believe you are entitled to play it, just cause you bought the book. But what isnt fair about it? You are paying for a physcial copy of the book. You receive a physical copy of the book.means of the campaign?(

I think I read this wrong because it seems to read that you think I am wrong to feel sad that a book I must pay40$. For will not be able to be used for more than 50% of the content unless I play at Cons and get boons. This makes me wrong because I want my money worth from a purchase? Maybe 40$ just mean more tome then to you because I feel "entitled" to be able to fully enjoy my purchase.

Kerney wrote:

Boons should be a reward, not a right.

+1

Maybe I agree if we did not have ARG coming out that we expected to buy but may not use content of unless we go to Cons. That is not fair to me and other people that this is not so possible I think.

This topic has started a negative downward slope. Keep it positive and constructive or it gets locked.

I do not wish to be in flame war. I thought it was funny and agree that races should be open. Only my opinion. I don't want to be banned.

Sad thing about this is. By ruling that an online game has to be run the same as a Con game with open enlistment misses several key points.

1. The game is not under the same time constraints as a Con game. Therefore if the people you game with prefer RP instead of a power game rush to the end, you can accommodate that as you can set the time aside to do so. Therefore not being allowed to be selective means that your regular group will now be legally obligated to let in that min/max'd player who has absolutely no interest in your style of game.

2. The amount of preparation time for a maptools online game is significantly greater than that of a Con game. The GM should be rewarded with more control of his game for the consideration of allowing him to play out his time investment without having that powergamer blasting through every encounter like a hot knife through butter.

3. Some people online just dont mesh with your personality. Something about the anonymity of being behind a screen often frees people to be let their worst side out. Read the boards here long enough and you'll end up drowned in snark for example. So if there is a person you find disruptive to your game, according to that ruling you have to let them play.

This!

I also stopped playing online PFS because I had so much trouble finding groups that RP. I think now I see why that is so hard.

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Lass wrote:

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J-Bone wrote:

Gratz to you Nolen. But your life isnt mine and mine isnt yours. I dont have the flexibility of an art student, nor do my buddies stationed overseas in the military. Enjoy your boons though.

You and your buddies can enjoy them too if you organize an event.

If it were that easy we would all have 4 stars

Organizing a 15 table PFS event doesn't require any number of stars. Mark Garringer didn't even have one star and he was the VC for Indianapolis.

How wonderful for him. Sadly there simply are not enough people where I live to organise 15 tables. I have trouble getting one. Maybe someday I too can be as grand as Mark Garringer. Enjoy your boons.

Well said and LOL

Ive played a few games of Pathfinder Society, enough to get to level 10 so far, and have seen the Slumber Hex end many end fights at all teirs of play. Ive also seen many others spells do the same thing at all levels of play. The Slumber Hex just seems to do it really good IMO.