The Search for Aroden

Game Master Molech

CS "finished"....

Questions about languages/linguistics:
First: "Everyone starts with ‘Varisian’ plus one additional Language for free." Does Intelligence add to that? 16 Int normally allows 3. ??
Second: Is Sylvan a basic language costing 1/2 of a rank in Linguistics?
Third: Is Skald and Undercommon Sign Language OK for one rank in Linguistics?
Fourth: Any suggestions on other languages in the area?

@ Monkeygod,

There is nothing wrong with reading the 'Stolen Fate' Players' Guide, or any of the others that I have drawn inspiration from. But of course, when an event or theme or encounter pops up during our campaign from 'Stolen Fate', it will be less of a surprise, or have perhaps less of an impact. But of course, the obverse side of the coin is that sometimes it really helps to have a little information on hand so that you can really make a PC that can enjoy the campaign. So it's up to you .... Hmm, do you remember from

Regarding your first Feat: It likely won't matter too, too much in this crazy-opening of a campaign. A good chunk of 1st Level is effectively without a character sheet as you have no idea whether you have one or the other, whether you are a Zero-Level Commoner or an 18th Level Wizard. So you can't take advantage of any of your abilities and Class Features. The question will be, 'How fast can y'all get to the encounter/room/situation where you learn a bit about yourselves?' That's when you'll realize, 'Wow! If I rest eight hours look at all the Spells I can cast!' Or that you have Evasion. Or that you have Dodge. Or that you have a BAB of +1. Etcetera. .... Further, who knows how much XP you will have earned during the earlier encounters leading to that initial self-discovery?! You may be one encounter away from 2nd Level before you realize your 1st Level abilities. Or half way there. Or already there which will not be cool for me because it's better if I, as the DM, try to make sure you get there as quickly as possible.

But as I wrote in the beginning of Recruitment, we're starting without the character sheet and the players can wait until they fill in much of their Crunch. (Not that you have to.)

My advice, wait until Gameplay throws a handful of encounters at you to decide what's better, Augury once per day (awesome when deciding Left or Right in a 'horror' Dungeon-Crawl!) or +1 on Will Saves vs Enchantment and the variable Bonus depending on the roll (also very helpful!)

@ Khardon Dourstone,

Everything looks good, and 'Yes' -- that is the list from 'New Paths Compendium' -- your PC concept sounded quite a bit like the Warlock there, which is a Gish just like Magus (and the 3.5 Hexblade) so I figured I'd mention it.

I've thought of ways to get your Black Blade as part of your character and am pretty sure I have it. My initial thought is of something that could be interpreted as more Neutral or uncaring/unAligned -- but not necessarily "animalistic" per say. But certainly the 'added' part is what I had pictured. Parasitic wasn't my initial thought but it absolutely can be interpreted that way. .... Unless I/We think of a different idea that fits better, the 'Something 'adds' to your arm/bone covering it up' will work out just fine. And 'IS' or 'takes the form of' the Dwarven Waraxe.

@ Veniir,

Hey, thanks for posting! Yes, absolutely a Gnome Dirge Bard would make an excellent PC for this campaign. There have been probably three or four times over the years when someone 'almost' played a Dirge Bard in one of my campaigns, but then changed to Bones Oracle, or Witch, or JuJu Oracle (also 'Mummy's Mask'), or even a White Necromancer (which I swear is the weakest Class in 'New Paths Compendium.') So this could be really cool for me as a DM to finally see it. (Although at 10th Level when you can start keeping Skeletons (Ooh Ahh!) and such while doing your Artistry seems really weak for a 10th Level boon.)

The trapfinding Trait in 'Mummy's Mask' is actually less of a Trait than it should be. With a single Trait (half a Feat) one should be able to get either a +2 to a single Skill and that Skill becomes a Class Skill (that's half of Skill Focus kinda/sorta) -- or a +1 to two 'Like' Skills and one of them (your choice) becomes a Class Skill (like Alertness or Scholar, etc.). So if you want +2 to Disable Device and make it a Class Skill -- you got it!

@ Charles Otharan,

Languages!
For ALL PCs:

You begin play with Varisian -- which is the most common language in Ustalov, spoken by pretty much everyone.
And since Races get their own language and Humans are designed to be versatile, one extra language of your choice (such as Celestial (like Aasimars), Elven (like Elves) or Taldoran (like folks down in Absalom and Taldor).
Not the secret Druid language, of course.
Additionally, you get bonus languages for your INT modifier as per RAW, so 16 INT would start with 5 languages (2 + 3).
And if you then put one Rank in Linguistics, that's 2 more (such as Skald and Undercommon, a sign language).

Regarding suggestions: This campaign is less cosmopolitan than most I DM, taking place mostly in Ustalov then Varisia. But there's never any harm in the PCs getting access to the other Human languages, Taldoran, Chelaxian, Osiriani, Skald, Kelesh, whatever -- and monster languages such as Giant, Draconic, Goblinoid -- or Elemental languages such as Ignan or Auran. Yada Yada. It's also sometimes helpful when the PCs know some random language such as Celestial or Sylvan so they can talk openly among themselves without eavesdroppers rolling their Perception checks like those pesky Samwise Gamgee folks dropping over the eaves to hear.

No problem leaving it a little open-ended until we start.

I have a concept for a Half Orc Bloodrager. I'll name him Thresh for now.

Ooh!

Bloodrager!

We will have some real front-lining PC applicants with all our Sorcerers and Oracles.

(I especially like the 'Thresh did something Eeeeeevil' design. It gives me a little leeway later in the game.)

Innnnnteresting. Interesting. I'm gonna have to poke at some concepts.

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.......okay, I've poked.

A name is yet to be determined (not like my character knows what it is yet anyway!), but the character would eventually learn those scars on their forehead denote a touch of Hell in the ancestry; that their insatiable curiosity about-- well, everything-- seems to have taught them a few neat tricks; and that those chemical burns on their fingers come from seeming practice at handling caustic substances. (Tiefling Investigator) They have a sense for mystery... and the biggest one of all right now is who the hell they are.

They are the character who just has to know what's behind that door/in that box/in the obviously cursed book/right behind them. Even when it's better not to look. Even when all wisdom would say walk away. So I fully expect them to go insane quickly in this campaign after the inevitable failed will save vs Horror.

Party role would be skill monkeying and potential scouting as well as combat support/boosts.

As for me as a player: Veteran PBPer as both GM and player (and I'll vouch for Dreadful as a player in one of my games), with plenty of game history to check out if you want. I'm pretty regular about posting.

I did start (as a player) a Strange Aeons game here on the boards a while back, and another of Carrion Crown, but neither got very far along. I honestly remember very little of either of them, and what I do remember was mostly interparty dynamic stuff rather than the plots or the details.

@ Khardon Dourstone,

Everything looks good, and 'Yes' -- that is the list from 'New Paths Compendium' -- your PC concept sounded quite a bit like the Warlock there, which is a Gish just like Magus (and the 3.5 Hexblade) so I figured I'd mention it.

I've thought of ways to get your Black Blade as part of your character and am pretty sure I have it. My initial thought is of something that could be interpreted as more Neutral or uncaring/unAligned -- but not necessarily "animalistic" per se. But certainly the 'added' part is what I had pictured. Parasitic wasn't my initial thought but it absolutely can be interpreted that way. .... Unless I/We think of a different idea that fits better, the 'Something 'adds' to your arm/bone covering it up' will work out just fine. And 'IS' or 'takes the form of' the Dwarven Waraxe.

Thanks for the continued engagement. Your take on the black blade sounds great. Should Khardon be chosen, I’ll look forward to exploring this with you, and building up towards it for level 3.

I’ve also added in some tentative plans for leveling up. Such as feats, and arcana/curses/New Paths. While of course subject to change it gives an idea of how Khardon will likely advance in the campaign.

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Edit:

My lvl 1 feat is arcane strike. While not raw how do you feel about extra arcana? I could thus start with accursed strike, meaning no 5 levels of touch spells. Instead from lvl 1 I could lean into the curse theme. It would make it “feel” more horror theme from the start.

It also means lowering damage when we start off without gear. Which I think fits the early campaign feel.

Welcome to Recruitment, Dien!
Tiefling Investigator that loves to push the flashing red button sounds awesome!

I'll send you a PM when I get a chance. Or better, you can send me a PM when you get a chance just letting me know the little bits of 'Strange Aeons' and 'Carrion Crown' -- and I'm confident it won't be even a trifle.

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Expanded Arcana for Khardon Dourstone is A-Okay!

Wonderful! Thank you :)

Ill omen now prepared, replacing shocking grasp as the basic spell of choice. With focus on other curse effects for future spell slots

@ The Waskally,

A Half-Elf is perfectly fine. I mean, Elves have been immune to Sleep in D&D since I started in 1981 and we DMs have learned to get around it. Okay, okay, IF there comes a time for some plot-gimmick that needs you to be, I dunno, comatose or something, I'll figure it out if I need to. .... Regarding Phoenix Bloodline: If there is any way you can make a Fire-based Sorcerer/Wizard/Arcanist without using Phoenix Bloodline,... I just don't know it. It's not from a source I'm familiar with. Looking at it for the past few minutes it seems okay (they always do on paper) (lol) but I just get skittish in Play-by-Post with stuff I've never seen before. Pun Pun can happen so fast. .... If you really want to submit the Phoenix Bloodline Sorcerer I will absolutely consider it for selection and learn it. But, you know, if I happen to be faced with six or eight PC applications,... I'm not trying to discourage you: I could absolutely fall in love with your character concept and see that you are really into my campaign concept. And I don't mind learning some new builds. But.... An arcane caster with lots of Fire magic, with some healing and rebirth-themes thrown in,... There's gotta be another way. Or I'll just add Phenix to my list to learn.

Crap. We need a healer. Human (Ustavian) cleric of Pharasma it is, with a Noble background if I can swing it..

Sublime would be cool.

@ The Waskally,
A Human Cleric of Pharasma to provide Healing is absolutely something the party could use.

But you don't need to scrap your fire-Sorcerer application if that's what you'd much rather play!

My gut tells me that we will get a few new applicants around the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th of January once the holidays are over. If that comes to pass, then one of them may propose a healer (Priest from 'New Paths Compendium' maybe the best Crunch-wise for that, or Oracle of Life(!) -- as well as any Cleric with the Healing Domain!)

So whatever you want the most. (Of course, there's nothing stopping you designing two for me to look at.)

Welcome to Recruitment, Dien!

Tiefling Investigator that loves to push the flashing red button sounds awesome!

I'll send you a PM when I get a chance. Or better, you can send me a PM when you get a chance just letting me know the little bits of 'Strange Aeons' and 'Carrion Crown' -- and I'm confident it won't be even a trifle.

Thanks, and PM incoming!

@ The Waskally,

A Human Cleric of Pharasma to provide Healing is absolutely something the party could use.

But you don't need to scrap your fire-Sorcerer application if that's what you'd much rather play!

I discussed the Fire-Sorcerer build with AGM Lemming. I will submit that one after the weekend.

I’m still interested, just having busy moments. Will have a character made in the next few days.

They are the character who just has to know what's behind that door/in that box/in the obviously cursed book/right behind them. Even when it's better not to look. Even when all wisdom would say walk away.

I wonder if it would be more fun to goad you when you're a player then it is when you're a GM. I doubt it, but you never know until you try

(I especially like the 'Thresh did something Eeeeeevil' design. It gives me a little leeway later in the game.)

Would you be ok leaving the evil deed ambiguous for now?

Couple of other questions:

1) Should I assume that my character has always been level 1, or did they lose some xp when they lost their memory?

2) You mentioned Desna a couple of times. Would Desnan faith support character investment in finding Aroden?

3) Is usage of natural attacks something to avoid? For multiple flavor based reasons, I sketched out a crunch that allows for claw/claw/bite from level 1. I'm not going to pick a bloodline other than abyssal unless you want to make an orc bloodline or let me use 3p content, but I could trade out the claws for something else or just not use them during the initial sequence

I wonder if it would be more fun to goad you when you're a player then it is when you're a GM. I doubt it, but you never know until you try

Goad? moi????

(Rough draft of submission here for GM, fine tuning to happen as needed)

@ Dreadful,

There already is an Orc bloodline from Orcs of Golarion.

@ Dreadful,

There already is an Orc bloodline from Orcs of Golarion.

I think he means for bloodrager

Goad? moi????

J'adore jouer à des jeux avec tout mon coeur

I think he means for bloodrager

Oui monsieur

@ Kool Kobold & all PCs,

Take your time. I began this Recruitment page a good ten days earlier than I should've because I was just too impatient. I know that half The Boards are not even posting right now and the rest of us who are, are nonetheless busy with the holidays. Being in a rush would be silly, as not many players could regularly post now anyway. Once the new year has started and we get back in our various regular routines, I will push things forward. Even then, because of the odd nature of the opening of this campaign, a player can easily begin with a half-incomplete PC.

Of course, I need the design concept. I need a good idea of the Crunch/build. And I'd really like to hear about how you like to play, your game style, your gaming alignment, yada yada.

Ryzel Cain -- cool name! I replied to your PM regarding Spoilery mischief and such.

@ Dreadful,

I know what the evil deed is, knew immediately. Of course, it is open-ended or flexible as I may need to alter it. And you won't yet know (amnesia). And that even gives me the freedom to completely change it if the campaign veers left instead of right.

We are starting at Level One and, yes, your missing background will only have enough, uh, background for that much XP. There is a little twist I made, but don't create a missing background for a high level PC.

Desna and Pharasma are most definitely the two principle deities for this campaign. Especially the first half.

I don't have an opinion either for or against natural attacks. I don't mind. (At the outset you're not going to know that you're good at hand-to-hand combat-- like Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan waking up and not knowing they're bad ass dudes, in 'The Walking Dead' show they'd still be grabbing a stick or a gun and trying to avoid the zombies.)

Regarding your Abyssal Bloodline, is it okay with you if I somewhat re-Flavor the 'origin' of the Abyssal Bloodline even though 100% of the Crunch remains? I'm thinking maybe, if it feels right for both of us, 'That' which 'stole'(?) your memories -- or whatever -- left behind those Bloodline mechanics (and it's not Abyssal.)? Of course, I have no problem if you love the idea and want to play a PC whose great-grandfather was a Glabrezu of Abraxas or whatever. 'That' which blah blah blah your memory can target a PC with an Abyssal Bloodline just as easily as 'it' can to a plain-Jane-commoner. So whatever.

All of that info makes sense to me

Re evil deed and abyssal, I’ll pm you with some info and follow up questions

Lvl 1 background means he was at bottom of social order and had few/no opportunities to help others in Belkzen, interesting info for me

I’ll go with Desna worshipper but he probably kept it on the dl in Belkzen and didn’t have cultural guidance from other Desnans

Natural attack thing sounds good to me, wanted to be direct bc I saw something about it earlier in the thread

I’ll get the crunch ready, but the idea of my tengu oracle is a pure fire blaster. Having her go for Neutral Good, maybe Lawful Good? However, if need be, I can instead change her to a life oracle if we need a dedicated healer.

Only way to do both is to focus on flame mystery, take this 3rd party feat then select the channel revelation from the life mystery. I’m not asking if I can do that, but since I’m imagining this character as a pseudo phoenix it would be great flavoring for her to learn how to channel fire to heal.

@ Dien,
Everything in your PM is 1,000% clear and I look forward to seeing your Tiefling Investigator as the design concept & Crunch continues. .... It's worth it to notice that you may never really get the chance to explore your past in Caliphas as the campaign takes off, even with the knowledge of some of your past.

@ Everyone,

I'll make sure your backgrounds and such come up for the enrichment of your PCs, but alas, remember that this is a bit more linear campaign (rescue the cat from the tree, then go and save the princess rom the tower, then stop the evil wizard from whatever) -- rather than a more Sandbox where each PC really advances his and her own ambitions.

@ Dreadful,
PM received and we look to be on the exact same page. (There's actually a gimmick in one of the AP inspirations for this campaign that suggests the PCs did something bad at some point. When you mentioned your design concept it immediately made me think of it. Obviously, I have to adjust this-and-that as my campaign is quite different from all the inspirations that led me to the design. Still. It works very well for one of the PCs to have this little detail.)

@ Kool Kobold,
Either Life Oracle or Fire Blaster is a good option; propose what you really WANT to play. (I guess you could make both if you like them equally and then I can pick.)

Regarding the 3rd party-publisher. Uh....
How about you just tell me the Mystery from some other Crunch that you want and I'll try to give it to you (looks like at 5th Level) -- rather than having it all open-ended and me not knowing?

@ Kool Kobold,

Either Life Oracle or Fire Blaster is a good option; propose what you really WANT to play. (I guess you could make both if you like them equally and then I can pick.)

Regarding the 3rd party-publisher. Uh....
How about you just tell me the Mystery from some other Crunch that you want and I'll try to give it to you (looks like at 5th Level) -- rather than having it all open-ended and me not knowing?

The revelations I’m eyeing for my Crunch to go a mix of blaster and healer includes both flame and life mysteries. With the life revelations of particular interest are channel and enhanced cures.

EDIT: I just remembered the stat spread. I’m going +2 Con, +2 Cha, -2 Str. with those modifiers and 26 points, my stats will be

Str 8, Dex 15, Con 17, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 17

Str 8, Dex 15, Con 17, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 17

I’d advise against that spread. It’s +2 (spent as you will) at lvls 5/10/15/20. You have 3 odd numbers, so you’ll never get them all up. If you drop Dex to 14, you can push Str up to 10 or Int to 12.

I have no issue with PCs Min-Max'ing their Ability Scores. NPC Commoners and Experts and Aristocrats and such won't be min-max'ed, but Heroes ought to be -- I could argue. Adventures are likely to be, one could posit. .... One of the reasons I offer a 26 point buy is that, for so many character designs on a 25-point chassis, one Ability Score has to end up an odd number. For half the standard builds that extra little point makes all the difference, and is still balanced with the other half of the 25-point PC chassis (who don't get any benefit at all out of an extra point).

All that said, I do know many gamers who rail at Min-Max'ing and out of principle will not do it for their characters. I respect that.

So build what You want to build!

But if you fix your stat array to even number Scores, well, you will contribute more to the group.

Speaking of which…because you said that dwarves of Ustalav are likely to have undead as their ancestral enemies…

(1a) I dropped Dex from 14 to 12
(1b)I raised Cha from 7 to 10

(2a) I dropped this:
Stoic Negotiator: Some dwarves use their unwavering stubbornness to get what they want in negotiations and other business matters. They gain a +2 racial bonus on Bluff, Diplomacy, and Profession (merchant) checks. This racial trait replaces defensive training, hatred, and stonecunning.
(2b) I took this:
Death’s End: Dwarves with this racial trait gain a +2 bonus to AC against undead and a +2 bonus on saving throws against spells and spell-like abilities cast by undead. This replaces defensive training and hatred
(2c) Conservative Diplomacy: A dwarf can embrace predictable traditions to avoid social missteps. A dwarf with this racial trait can rely upon conservative tactics when attempting a Diplomacy check; this choice must be made before the Diplomacy check is attempted. The dwarf treats any roll of less than 5 on such a Diplomacy check as though she had rolled a 5, but she treats any roll higher than 15 on such a check as though she rolled a 15. This racial trait replaces stonecunning.

(3) Replaced Bruising Intellect with:
Corpse Hunter: You have dedicated yourself to the destruction of undead, and gain a +1 trait bonus on attacks made against undead.

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Dex 12 felt more “dwarven.”
With “greed” I can still make use of appraise
My racial and trait choices had him at +0 social skills. He stays this way, but now is more of an “Ustalav” dwarf. At lvl 2 will trait some social skills, and conservative diplomacy felt fitting. He won’t be great at talking, but he’ll be careful enough to not be horrible at it

got room for a shifter

rough set i need to update

Ryzel wrote:

Goad? moi????

J'adore jouer à des jeux avec tout mon coeur

Oh I do not doubt your commitment, mon ami!!

@ Dien,

Everything in your PM is 1,000% clear and I look forward to seeing your Tiefling Investigator as the design concept & Crunch continues. .... It's worth it to notice that you may never really get the chance to explore your past in Caliphas as the campaign takes off, even with the knowledge of some of your past.

Slightly tweaked some stats and changed alignment to LN to better reflect the personality as per your breakdown of alignment for NPCs-- I had put Chaotic originally in the sense of 'not bound by society's rules' but as far as your descriptions go they are definitely way more lawful. This should be finalized now unless there's anything else you would like to have it feel complete.

As for the 'explore the past' not being at all promised to us-- copy that! I have to make the backstory and the past for my own sense of who the character is, but I accept that it may never be remotely relevant in game, or something my character ever remembers.

I moved around the stat spread to be

St 9, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 18

For the record, I generally don’t like minmaxing, but I do prefer to make my key stat my highest. And in this case I prioritized Cha while making sure I have solid saves, hp and AC, regardless if I can play a fire blaster, a healer, or a mix of both.

@ Critzible,
Always room for a Shifter -- well kinda / sorta aka: not 'exactly': I know the Skin-Changer from 'New Paths Compendium' which came out first and I was a kick-starter to help out Marc Radle who I'd played with at Conventions.

I'm pretty sure they're very similar. If you are so inclined, a Skin-Changer could be a great PC.

I am overflowingly busy at work Monday so it will be later that I can look at Lady Emilia Vosk.

@ Grumbaki,
I'm having a monster of a Monday and haven't looked at the new Crunch for Khardon Dourstone. I'm confident everything is fine. But I'll look later.

@ Dien,
@ Kool Kobold,

I briefly looked -- we're all good. I'm super busy at work Monday so it will be a little later when I can really look. But everything ought to be fine.

@DM Ray. The 2 points gained at each 5th level can be split and applied individually though, right?

Yes, you can split the two points from Leveling-Up anyway you want, two at 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th. (So if you do end up with two odd numbered Ability Scores at 1st Level, you can make them both even at 5th.)

I'm thinking of trying out an inquisitor of the sin eater archetype. Would this be an appropriate campaign for something like that?

@ Dreadful,

PM received and we look to be on the exact same page.

Sounds good to me. Do you want me to flesh things out a little more, or is the general concept/background sketch I've provided thus far sufficient?

While here I'll go ahead and counter vouch Dien, for whatever my meagre posting history is worth. Specifically:

-Good writing skills
-Immersive use of detail
-OOC communication when appropriate

While here I'll go ahead and counter vouch Dien, for whatever my meagre posting history is worth. Specifically:

-Good writing skills
-Immersive use of detail
-OOC communication when appropriate

this shameless flattery is not gonna get you extra goodies in Salt Spire

I reread Monday's posts, well, 'actually' read because I barely perused them yesterday as I was absolutely slammed at work and biologically brain dead afterward.

Everything looks good.

@Grumbaki: The changes all seem perfectly fine.

@Ability Score rebuilds: Looks good

@Dien: You are certainly free to use my interpretation of Alignment for your PC. (And it always makes one feel good when someone else adopts one's houserule). But if you have differing ideas of Alignment, don't feel obliged to take mine. Ultimately, it's how we play -- if we see Alignment X or Y in the style of play from others.

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Anyway, I'm a day behind but am catching up in the next couple hours (Tuesday late morning).

@ Shadowy Fox,

An Inquisitor is a great option for this Campaign.

I always liked Sin Eater and the one time someone played one in my game she did it more like Sin 'Releaser' where the Flavor is that she "Removed" the sin from the creature through ritual more like something Mishakal (Dragonlance) or Lathander (Forgotten Realms) might do. You know, instead of the Flavor of "Consuming" the Evil as though you're a religious Ghoul.

I'd be really curious to see how a PC 'Ghoul'-like ritualistic-eater-of-sin-energy-from-the-dead plays out. How you see the PC's behavior in general. "I stand over the corpse of our enemy and suck the Sins from its Soul, feeding from it as my companions watch!"

(Or, if you want, I could totally see an Inquisitor of Pharasma performing a ritual over the dead praying to take away the Soul's Evil deeds.)

@ Critzible,

Always room for a Shifter -- well kinda / sorta aka: not 'exactly': I know the Skin-Changer from 'New Paths Compendium' which came out first and I was a kick-starter to help out Marc Radle who I'd played with at Conventions.

I'm pretty sure they're very similar. If you are so inclined, a Skin-Changer could be a great PC.

I am overflowingly busy at work Monday so it will be later that I can look at Lady Emilia Vosk.

MOre like to play up the Victoria heiress who is a Werebat basically

@ Critzible,
I just looked at Lady Emilia Vosk (Profile from another PbP) and all looks A-Okay. Again, you'll have no memory of your past and, when you do learn a bit of your background, the direction of the campaign may not allow much room for it to come up. (Though I could see someone from your family meeting you in Lepidstadt or something.)

I'm willing to look at Shifter if you look at Skin-Changer first and inform me IF it's radically different. When UW was first published I had just gotten my 'New Paths Compendium' as a Patron and felt that the one new Class in UW wasn't at all worth the money especially since my Convention-Gaming-Buddy Marc Radle had just published the Skin-Changer. So I never bothered to even look at Shifter. It's the same right, just different Crunch?

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Edit: I just saw your post -- looks like we were here at the same time. I'll check for any new changes momentarily.

In the meantime -- WereBat is so much cooler and more novel than WereWolf.

And I really like the name, Lady Emilia Vosk.