A Song for Silver Ravens (Hell's Rebels AP) (Inactive)

Game Master Sensen

Yes, throwing DR 5 creatures at a level 1 group is nasty. Unless you have a pure DPR like Str 18 fighter or raging barbarian, most attacks are going to do almost nothing. We need to get our hands on some silver weapos asap.

So, would you rather have a silver longsword, with the -1 to damage, or a silver bludgeoning weapon, which wouldn't, but also isn't anyone's specialty/favored weapon?

I trust in Aisling and Iomedae to carry us through this.

I'll take mithral stuff! (Starting next level, when IT kicks in!)

I, too, have faith in Aisling and Nyxra.

GM, I have AC 19 at the moment due to my shield. so I think the lemure missed?

Oh, see, I thought your normal AC was 17 and with Shield of Faith it was 19. That's on me. You're correct, the lemure missed.

I thought she could only cast two 1st level spells per day?

Correct, but each casting of coin shot creates 3 enchanted coins which retain their power for up to 10 minutes.

Ohhh... Gotcha! Works for me, then!

So, Aisling, do you want the cloak of resistance? I recommend someone take it before we leave the Livery. Same with the other equipment.

Jessibel, I think you took a light mace from the CCG thugs? Don't forget to add it to your profile - not a huge deal, but it might help you remember you can use it when need be. :P

EDIT: I've added some notable NPCs to the Campaign tab. I might switch it over to a Google doc if you guys want.

Yes, if no one else is claiming it I'll take it :)

Sounds good. I'll strike it from the loot list, then.

Would it be possible to "convert" the silver mace to a longsword? Maybe get a smith to melt it down and reforge it? If anyone wants to call dibs on the mace then I will drop the question :)

Hmmm... I think you could, but keep in mind that silver slashing/piercing weapons get a -1 penalty to damage.

Also, assuming you want to make that sort of statement about Iomedae's sister's clergy. (Iomedae looks at Milani as a sister - they're the two remaining servants of Aroden who are divine). That said, I'm mostly joking with this one.

Hmmm... I think you could, but keep in mind that silver slashing/piercing weapons get a -1 penalty to damage.

I know, but -1 is still better than facing DR 5 or DR 10 :)

Also, assuming you want to make that sort of statement about Iomedae's sister's clergy. (Iomedae looks at Milani as a sister - they're the two remaining servants of Aroden who are divine). That said, I'm mostly joking with this one.

Ha. I am not well up on Golarion canon so that is something I didn't know! Mabe avoid annoying Milani, then.

One other thought, please shout me down if it fills the rest of you with horror. GM said soemthing about using other possible subsystems in this game. Would you be open to using downtime rules to let us build hideouts and temples and things? The rules are a bit complicated but you can get the hang of them fairly fast and I like th eidea of building a shop or a hospital that has a secret entrace to the rebel hideout or a concealed shrine to Milani or Iomedae.

I'm fine with it, and I like the idea as well Aisling. The way I look at it, it's better to give then a try and drop them if they're a drag on the game rather than not trying at all.

The sub-systems in War for the Crown are really good and add a lot. Some of the earlier attempts, for example the Romance and Caravan subsystems in Jade Regent, didn't work well at all. Paizo seems to have learned through trial and error though. I've not heard any complaints about the Hell's Rebels Rebellion system.

I would, but I'm not entirely sure how well those integrate with the Rebellion system, which can cover creating bases - albeit only temporary ones, which isn't what you're looking for, I think.

That said, there is a hideout that will come up shortly for the Silver Ravens, which does have an establishment aboveground. That said, I'll definitely think about it. Keep in mind that your Rebellion also costs money, and you may not have as much as you need to run both the rebellion and the establishment... though you might! I don't know.

Anyone else have thoughts here?

EDIT: Looking at the some of the downtime activities in Ultimate Campaign, some are indeed covered by the rebellion system. That said, there are things that aren't, and I'll look into them some more.

Okay, so the rebellion rules are basically a very specialized form of the organization rules from Ultimate Campaign, so I would say we shouldn't use that. Beyond that... hm. I guess we can try, but my earlier reservations stand.

Also, keep in mind that at higher Notoriety, I would feel willing to hit known places where suspected rebels hide - including any businesses you might end up owning.

I'm open to trying anything. Safe houses are part of the Hell's Rebels organization rules in the back of the Player's Guide, but it's very basic and impersonal.

There are various vigilante talents that are related to hideouts so we’re getting a hideout one way or another.

One of the adventures is centered around finding a big central hideout, in fact.

The downtime building and teams rules allow us to generate money (not a lot) which we could use to improve our buildings/teams. I get that the rules might not mix very well with the rebellion rules so it's your call, GM :)

Yeah... I'll think on it.

In the meantime, if you guys want to continue onwards, there will be a smallish base in your very near futures.

Plus, I'll get to put Rexus away and stop feeling like I have to constantly post with him. xD

Okay, I was gonna say that Jessibel has discerned the command word for the raven figurines, which she has (it's "freedom" in Azlanti), but I will leave it up to her whether she'd have thought to share that with the class.

Because I find the idea hilarious that she'd forget to do that.

I like that! But I think Aisling has enoubh good sense (Wis 18) to ask for the command word before pikcing up the weird silver magic item :)

Real Life Rebel!

I washed down my breakfast and morning pills today with a mug of mint-flavored hot chocolate! And if that's not rebellious enough, I'm going back for seconds momentarily!

Take THAT, Barzillai Thrune! ;P

Madness!

Also, people, don't forget to take a look at the loot list and discuss/take what you want from there.

I mean, let us know and then delete the entry, too.

Big block of text post for you all.

I'm looking into the Masked Personas rules (Inner Sea Intrigue p. 12) for Jessibel.

I was just looking at these, and I think it would fit perfectly for the AP.

Okay, reviewing the loot -

Scrolls
Jessibel has Whispering Wind, Misdirection, and Undetectable Alignment on her spell list.

Aisling has Undetectable Alignment on her spell list.

No one has Pass without Trace on their spell list.

I don't believe anyone has UMA trained?

Armor & Weapons
+1 Leather is still unclaimed.
Masterwork Silver Morningstar - Aisling has expressed interest in reforging it into Iomedae's sacred weapon.
Masterwork Hand Crossbow - No one proficient, selling fodder?

Others
Cloak of Elvenkind - Claimed by the Raven, but not on his profile yet.
Figurines of Wondrous Power - claimed, but not on profiles.

Coin
Not yet divvied up - 12 gp, 182 sp, 342 cp

Keep in mind you'll probably want to save some for starting the rebellion, as well as a "group fund" for things like healing wands etc.

Just trying to help us get to using the loot sheet after all the work I've been putting in!

Sorry, forgot to post on the subject of loot. I'm really terrible at loot tracking. :(

Aside from the figurine there's nothing Vantine would want. None of the scroll spells are on the witch list. Vantine does have Pass Without a Trace as an SLA but that doesn't matter for a scroll.

I'll take the scroll of Undetectable alginment, useful because I have an aura of LG which mithg be a problem at some point :)

Apart from teh figurine there's nothing else there that I want or need.

Some devils do have detect good as constant effects. Imps jump to mind.

Thank you GM Kintargo for pushing us on the loot issue. I know from the Curse of the Crimson Throne game that Nyxra, Vantine, and I are in that we're all pretty horrible at claiming loot and updating our character sheets.

I've added the silver raven figurine and scrolls of whispering wind and misdirection to Jessi's sheet (I figured Aisling could make better use of the undetectable alignment one); I also added the light mace Jessi claimed from a CCG thug.

Lastly, Jessibel has an interest in the Juliac signet ring for the purpose of using it to establish an alias later in the campaign.

Ha! I have a Bloodrager in another campaign whose name is Sigrun the Magpie.

That's what I figured, but wasn't sure. I think that unless someone else desperately wants it, you can have it. Though if you want to RP asking Nyxra for it, more power to you. :P

You're welcome for pushing this - I figured I should, 'cause some of these things are meaningful.

@Kintargo GM: Should we hold off on posting about being at the coffeeshop until you post, or should we go ahead and continue?

I was just about to post! :P

I'm out of spells but I have 3 uses of channel energy left so I can keep us in the fight. What does everonee else think? I'm not a fan of the 15-min adventuring day, I'd like to push us a bit. Otherwise things just get easy.

Whatever you choose, I recommend Nyxra adding the +1 leather armor to her sheet before delving down - just in case of a threat, you know?

Vantine's out of direct damage for the day, so it really depends on the nature of any trouble. If there are targets for mind affecting spells she has her Daze cantrip and her hex. If there's nothing those two things will work on, she has nothing.

If people want to go that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to invoke 15 minute adventuring days when 1st level full arcane casters balk at continuing on when unequipped to do anything.

You're right, and I didn't mean it that way. I certianly don't want anyone feeling they've got nothing to contributte or having to go on when your tank is empty. That's not fun.

We still have Nyxra’s Death Vow thingy!

I apologize as well. I didn't mean to snip back. I've gotten used to the term being used as a bludgeon by martial players because they don't have to consider limited uses per day so why should those who do cry about resource allocation?

Even though I typically play martial characters I don't mind limiting adventure days because that's what real people do. Pushing beyond the limits is something people do in controlled environments with little actual risk, like athletics. If it's life or limb on the line safety first is the rule. Vanishingly few people go on past their means in dangerous situations just to see if they can do it and not die. I like games with verisimilitude whenever it's possible.

It looks like Jessi still has one spell and 6/10 Performance rounds left.

EDIT: As this is an important decision, I'm going to hold off on posting for a few hours at the very least, or until the others have expressed their opinions, whichever comes first.

Yeah, Jessi's at about half power. She's ambivalent about heading below immediately.

As an alternative, maybe we could split into two groups of three and do some rumor-hunting to see if there's any scuttlebutt on the streets after the happenings at the protest. Would probably be safer, unless the GM rolls some tough random encounters.

Yes, you are welcome to disregard Nan's life for at least a few hours. Laria may well encourage you to wait until after the patrons have left the Coffeehouse anyway, so she doesn't have to explain why the group's going into her supply closet and not coming out for at least ten minutes, if not longer.

It does make sense to wait till nightfall. We ravens are nocturnal creatures, after all.

I would help with loot tracking but I don’t know how to add them little squares lol

No worries. I think I've got a handle on it for now.

I'm fine with going ahead and checking out the Wasp's Nest if that's what most people are wanting to do.