Sorry for the misinformation. I've used each a sum total of about once or twice each and thought they were the same
No worries, CICMGD!
I told a friend of mine who paints mini's professionally, that I use pens like Sean was talking about. He got pissed and said it was "cheating." Personally I don't think so at all, and think he was just jealous!
I'm sure people who learned how to paint with enamels and paint thinner think our newfangled acrylics are "cheating," too. :p
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Sorry for the misinformation. I've used each a sum total of about once or twice each and thought they were the sameNo worries, CICMGD!
I told a friend of mine who paints mini's professionally, that I use pens like Sean was talking about. He got pissed and said it was "cheating." Personally I don't think so at all, and think he was just jealous!I'm sure people who learned how to paint with enamels and paint thinner think our newfangled acrylics are "cheating," too. :p
lol you are so right! lol
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Sean:
We're all a bunch of mini-cheaters! We cheapen the experience with our acrylics! Personally, I like to cheapen the expenses HAH!
Krome:
Naturally the people who take pride in what they do are going to be somewhat offended when another person "takes the easy way out." I think that goes with just about any hobby or profession. :o) They're taking their time to carefully create beautiful minis that could take hours while someone else just takes a pen, and does the same thing in a few minutes. Probably makes them feel a little cut short. I personally think it's okay to use whatever works. They're tiny little sculptures and any way you can make painting them easier is cool with me! I would have thought the professionals would have all types of fancy tools to use just like the pens.
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Thanxx...I was going for a Blueberries of DOOM thing with the Squigs.Good deal! Send him the link to this thread! :o)
He does have a website but it is mostly scratch built cars. He will be converted, it is but a matter of time...
Have any of you seen the "Monster Drive" that Sean is working on currently? Take a look at this link, I must say, it's pretty awesome and he has plenty of plans for more creature flash drives in the future. This one still is not finished but he's not far from it! I think he did a rockin' job on it's teeth! What do you all think???
There are progress photos as he went through the steps to create this guy:
Sean's Monster Drive Pictures!!!.
:o)
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Thanxx...I was going for a Blueberries of DOOM thing with the Squigs.Good deal! Send him the link to this thread! :o)
He does have a website but it is mostly scratch built cars. He will be converted, it is but a matter of time...
Have any of you seen the "Monster Drive" that Sean is working on currently? Take a look at this link, I must say, it's pretty awesome and he has plenty of plans for more creature flash drives in the future. This one still is not finished but he's not far from it! I think he did a rockin' job on it's teeth! What do you all think???
There are progress photos as he went through the steps to create this guy:
Sean's Monster Drive Pictures!!!.
:o)
FREAKIN AWESOME!
about shortcuts... something I used to use (haven't done any painting in a while) is use eye shadow for some monsters like Dragons. DO the regular painting but when you are ready to do the highlights use eyeshadow. You HAVE to seal it or the eye shadow will smear. Unfortunately the sealant knocks out some of the shimmer... but you still get some cool looks.
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Thanxx...I was going for a Blueberries of DOOM thing with the Squigs.Good deal! Send him the link to this thread! :o)
He does have a website but it is mostly scratch built cars. He will be converted, it is but a matter of time...
Have any of you seen the "Monster Drive" that Sean is working on currently? Take a look at this link, I must say, it's pretty awesome and he has plenty of plans for more creature flash drives in the future. This one still is not finished but he's not far from it! I think he did a rockin' job on it's teeth! What do you all think???
There are progress photos as he went through the steps to create this guy:
Sean's Monster Drive Pictures!!!.
:o)
FREAKIN AWESOME!
about shortcuts... something I used to use (haven't done any painting in a while) is use eye shadow for some monsters like Dragons. DO the regular painting but when you are ready to do the highlights use eyeshadow. You HAVE to seal it or the eye shadow will smear. Unfortunately the sealant knocks out some of the shimmer... but you still get some cool looks.
I knew that this would be a good link to post on here! It's amazing!
Eyeshadow huh! Never thought of that. I might see what Sean thinks of this :o).
CEO
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So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oP
I can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
Pens: Sakura Pigma Micron pens.
Shimmer Shinies: I like pearlescent acrylic inks.
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So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oPI can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
What a charming thing to say about us! Sean always says, "She's me but cute and a girl..." Funny but I like it!
See people! I exist!
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Pens: Sakura Pigma Micron pens.
Shimmer Shinies: I like pearlescent acrylic inks.
Oooo I bet those shimmery ones are pretty! I like that! You know, I did something similar with the metallic gold acrylic that we have. I just watered it down and used it as an "ink" on the Gypsy mini that I painted. Looked really pretty! I actually did the same thing with Bronze on her skin, to make her look even prettier! Thanks for the links! :o) I like that there are purples and blues in this collection.
So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oPI can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
What a charming thing to say about us! Sean always says, "She's me but cute and a girl..." Funny but I like it!
See people! I exist!
~gasps in dismay~ does SKR's hypnosis abilites have no bounds? He has even beguiled Lisa! ~runs away before Sean beguiles me~
~GRINS~
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So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oPI can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
What a charming thing to say about us! Sean always says, "She's me but cute and a girl..." Funny but I like it!
See people! I exist!
~gasps in dismay~ does SKR's hypnosis abilites have no bounds? He has even beguiled Lisa! ~runs away before Sean beguiles me~
~GRINS~
*Gives Sean the floor*
Have fun! :o)
Oh. Welcome to the fold, Jodi. Enjoy your stay at the nuthouse.
about shortcuts... something I used to use (haven't done any painting in a while) is use eye shadow for some monsters like Dragons. DO the regular painting but when you are ready to do the highlights use eyeshadow. You HAVE to seal it or the eye shadow will smear. Unfortunately the sealant knocks out some of the shimmer... but you still get some cool looks.
Interesting idea... never thought of that. I guess conceptually a bit like using weathering powder. I usually use glossy ink for a shimmer, but that would give it a more pearlescent quality, I'd reckon...
Oh look, I'm sitting right next to my painting table with test minis all over the place... now where did I put that eye shadow that I wear twice a year...?
... Interesting. Seems to be a nice subtle effect. My dark grey eyeshadow looks like a good way to put some weathering on metallics, too.
Now I need to remember to reorder my testor's dullcote...
Pens: Sakura Pigma Micron pens.
Shimmer Shinies: I like pearlescent acrylic inks.
I can vouch for those pens, they're awesome. Put a whole bunch of tiny writing all over a 40K tank once with them, really cool.
Lilith, are those pearlescent inks... so as inks, they're somewhat transluscent, yes? How's the coverage? Do they need to be thinned? Do these coat everything evenly, or do they sink into cracks?
Lilith, are those pearlescent inks... so as inks, they're somewhat transluscent, yes? How's the coverage? Do they need to be thinned? Do these coat everything evenly, or do they sink into cracks?
They are a bit translucent, yes. Coverage is pretty good, I usually do two passes with a brush to get nice glowy arcane runes. They're fairly thin (think of it as an ink wash used in the dip technique), and sink into cracks quite readily.
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Have any of you seen the "Monster Drive" that Sean is working on currently? Take a look at this link, I must say, it's pretty awesome and he has plenty of plans for more creature flash drives in the future. This one still is not finished but he's not far from it! I think he did a rockin' job on it's teeth! What do you all think???
There are progress photos as he went through the steps to create this guy:
Sean's Monster Drive Pictures!!!.
:o)
That is awesome...I shall have to put that idea to use myself. Consider the idea stolen. ;-)
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I used to paint miniatures about 23 years ago. I'd like to get back into it. I've bought some cheap miniatures to practice on but haven't bought paint, primer, or brushes.
Anyone have any tips? Best paints to buy? How to start out? Favorite online tutorials?
I was in your boat about three months ago! Sean and I started painting with the Apple Barrel brand acrylics (which are very inexpensive) and a light colored spray primer. For us, it seems, that painting minis is quite inexpensive so it's a great hobby to have! Brushes for me are best when it's something really narrow and springy--I like the tip to have a good point!
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That is awesome...I shall have to put that idea to use myself. Consider the idea stolen. ;-)Have any of you seen the "Monster Drive" that Sean is working on currently? Take a look at this link, I must say, it's pretty awesome and he has plenty of plans for more creature flash drives in the future. This one still is not finished but he's not far from it! I think he did a rockin' job on it's teeth! What do you all think???
There are progress photos as he went through the steps to create this guy:
Sean's Monster Drive Pictures!!!.
:o)
Hah! This got a laugh out of the both of us! Consider it a compliment taken!
I used to paint miniatures about 23 years ago. I'd like to get back into it. I've bought some cheap miniatures to practice on but haven't bought paint, primer, or brushes.
Anyone have any tips? Best paints to buy? How to start out? Favorite online tutorials?
I would strongly suggest heading over to the Reaper Miniatures forum.
Lots of friendly people who are more than willing to help out and offer advice.
You'll have as many different answers to your questions as painters. But lots of people have found the Learn To Paint kits (by Reaper) excellent starting points.
For the record, here's a selection of my minis. LINK
I'd love to paint more often, but having a 3 month old child tends to put a crimp in hobby activities!
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For the record, here's a selection of my minis. LINK
Another LINK
I'd love to paint more often, but having a 3 month old child tends to put a crimp in hobby activities!
The Ikazuchi figure looks very cool!
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So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oPI can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
I believe in Jodi (she's making a list and checking it twice, I've heard). However I can't say I believe in Christopher Carey (and possibly Pierce Watters too). Evil clones of Sutter! Or possible undocumented illegal immigrants working in the Paizo sweatshop!
The paints i prefer are the reaper master series. However the reaper starter sets are what i would recommend for you to try out. Its a good place to start. On the other hand also look at what your FLGS has stocked, you may need to replace a color of paint and cant wait for something to get mailed(left open, dropped,used to paint a whole army)As far as tutorials i recommend this one http://www.paintrix-miniatures.com/ as well as the tutorials at reapermini.com under the craft section. And to all who have posted pics here they are very well done,like them alot.
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I used to paint miniatures about 23 years ago. I'd like to get back into it. I've bought some cheap miniatures to practice on but haven't bought paint, primer, or brushes.
Anyone have any tips? Best paints to buy? How to start out? Favorite online tutorials?
I would strongly suggest heading over to the Reaper Miniatures forum.
Lots of friendly people who are more than willing to help out and offer advice.
You'll have as many different answers to your questions as painters. But lots of people have found the Learn To Paint kits (by Reaper) excellent starting points.
But...but...if we headed over to the Reaper Forum then we would no longer be on the Paizo Forum. :o)
I believe in Jodi (she's making a list and checking it twice, I've heard). However I can't say I believe in Christopher Carey (and possibly Pierce Watters too). Evil clones of Sutter! Or possible undocumented illegal immigrants working in the Paizo sweatshop!
Pierce is real, I've known him since before Sutter was born!
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I believe in Jodi (she's making a list and checking it twice, I've heard). However I can't say I believe in Christopher Carey (and possibly Pierce Watters too). Evil clones of Sutter! Or possible undocumented illegal immigrants working in the Paizo sweatshop!So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oPI can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
Oh yes! You MUST believe :o) And I assure you, I will not be jumping down any of your chimneys in the future! LOL!
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For the record, here's a selection of my minis. LINK
I'd love to paint more often, but having a 3 month old child tends to put a crimp in hobby activities!
Naturally, I tend to favor the females with lots of physique and attitude. Great job on Seoni! :oD
Look:
Naturally, I tend to favor the females with lots of physique and attitude. Great job on Seoni! :oD
Thanks.
Someday I'll have time again to paint the rest of the iconics . . . .
As for hanging out over at Reaper, they are casting the Pathfinder minis now. I believe that makes it "okay." :)
The Ikazuchi figure looks very cool!
Thanks. I painted that up for an Exalted game. The player has his color scheme picked out, and the over-the-top anime-style meant some science fiction models could be used.
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Naturally, I tend to favor the females with lots of physique and attitude. Great job on Seoni! :oD
Thanks.
Someday I'll have time again to paint the rest of the iconics . . . .
As for hanging out over at Reaper, they are casting the Pathfinder minis now. I believe that makes it "okay." :)
Oh for sure, I didn't mean that it was not "okay" just that I really wanted to start a paizo thread :o) We can talk about any miniatures :o)
Here are a couple of mine, im working on getting better pics but its a start. Tiefling rogue
and knight
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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I believe in Jodi (she's making a list and checking it twice, I've heard). However I can't say I believe in Christopher Carey (and possibly Pierce Watters too). Evil clones of Sutter! Or possible undocumented illegal immigrants working in the Paizo sweatshop!So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oPI can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
It's possible Jodi may exist...
It's not like they're claiming Sean can grow hair or anything :P
I used to paint miniatures about 23 years ago. I'd like to get back into it. I've bought some cheap miniatures to practice on but haven't bought paint, primer, or brushes.
Anyone have any tips? Best paints to buy? How to start out? Favorite online tutorials?
Okay, I started to write a book about this in response, and then realized that was probably going to be overwhelming rather than useful. I will try to keep this brief but useful, and probably fail, but here goes (and of course take it all with the grain of salt that it's my personal experience and opinion, and other mini painters may fiercely disagree):
Paint: What you are looking for is good pigmentation and coverage. Nearly any acrylic paint will do in a pinch, but miniature paints have pigments that are ground more finely, and therefore are less likely to obscure detail on your models. You can of course still use the regular craft acrylics, but apply carefully and thin them down before starting.
It's tempting to slap paint on, but I suggest learning off the bat to paint with thin layers and build up rather than paint in one blotchy thick layer. This lends itself to learning more advanced techniques more easily later on.
Regardless of the paint you choose, I would start with a small collection of paints and build on as you discover what you need and/or prefer. Especially if you do go with the more expensive mini paints, it's better to spend your money on a few quality paints then a lot of them and then end up not using half of them.
A decent starting set: red, yellow, blue, grass and/or forest green, black, white, yellow ochre, dark brown, and maybe a light "flesh" tone as that is a pain to mix by hand. A metallic silver and a metallic gold. You should be able to start with these and then mix other colors you need out of them (if you want a really small starting collection, then just go with red, yellow, blue, black, white). If you're not familiar with it, look up "color theory" for mixing tips. More babbling behind spoiler:
Most miniature paints are decent and have good pigmentation and coverage. Citadel or Vallejo are often where people start with.
Personally, if all of my paints disappeared and I had to replace everything, I would own pretty much only Citadel Foundation Paints, Citadel Washes, and Reaper Master Series Paints. The first are as they say on the pot--absolutely perfect for "foundations" like terrain and basecoating, and they dry fast. However, all of these qualities make them horrible for details, but that's where Reaper Master Series comes in. These are a lovely, thin paint with flow improver pre-mixed in (you have to shake them up real good before you use them). If you need them thinner all you have to add is water. They're gorgeous for layered up work, blending, and detail. Some of the earlier colors in the line have poor coverage, but they solved that problem with later colors (many of which essentially replaced the earlier paints--basically look for high numbers in the line rather than low numbers). The washes, unlike inks, dry matte and do a nice job of quick shading areas--great for things like terrain and broad areas of color. RMSP have good inks for when I do want to bring out pigment and/or shading with a lot of sheen.
But in the end of the day, you are going to do fine with whatever you get and what makes you happy. experiment a little if you can!
Brushes: If I had to, I would spend a lot of money on one, good, size 2 kolinsky sable watercolor brush, than spend the same amount on a large number of cheap brushes.
I buy Windor and Newton Artist Series Kolinsky Sable Brushes (Rounds with short handles), and buy a cake of $1.30 "brush soap" to keep them clean after use. As long as I consistently keep them clean, they keep their point and stay useful for a very, very long time. Michael's and Plaza Art often have them on sale. I have a size 2 for most painting, size 4 for larger jobs/basecoating, and size 1 for freehanding detail. I keep a larger, cheaper half-nylon, half-sable brush for basecoating terrain and large creatures like dragons. That you don't need to worry about the point so much. I also have a cheap nylon short bristled brush for drybrushing (an easy way to add highlighting/detail).
Primer: If you want spray paint, most people I know use Krylon matte sandable primer (white or black or your color of choice), available at a lot of autostores. It's cheap and works well.
I don't spray paint a lot because of my living situation, and I use Acrylic Gesso as a brush-on primer; you can get this in white, black, and other colors. This stuff is designed for priming acrylic canvases and the like, but works just as well for minis. This stuff shrinks as it dries so its okay to gob it on a little bit. Preserves mini detail really, really well.
Other Stuff: You will want some clippers and needle files to get "flash" (bits of metal hanging off the mini that shouldn't be there) off the model and smooth down mold lines. You will probably want to seal your models at some point to help prevent scratching and enhance the color; I like for spray, Testor's Dullcote, and for brushing, Reaper Master Series' brush on varnish.
Sites to look at:
BrushThralls--great minipainting blog, focusing on Privateer Press minis but useful advice all around: http://blog.brushthralls.com
Doctor Faust's Painting Clinic--long time go-to site for mini painters and wargamers. Tons of advice from starting out to other techniques: http://www.paintingclinic.com
Reaper's Craft Articles--great ideas for both painting and conversions; a lot are more for advanced painters, but still very helpful: http://www.reapermini.com/TheCraft. This article on thinning has some great advice, even if you end up mostly thinning paint with water.
Jennifer Haley, a great pro painter; there's only a few articles on her site but they are great to look at: http://www.paintrix-miniatures.com
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Here are a couple of mine, im working on getting better pics but its a start. Tiefling rogue
and knight
I really like the knight--he looks like he's gonna kick some butt!
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I believe in Jodi (she's making a list and checking it twice, I've heard). However I can't say I believe in Christopher Carey (and possibly Pierce Watters too). Evil clones of Sutter! Or possible undocumented illegal immigrants working in the Paizo sweatshop!So Sean's imaginary girlfriend is now painting miniatures? ;-)I assure you, I'm the real deal! Hah! You all are cracking me up with this "imaginary girlfriend" stuff. :oPI can vouch for Jodi. I have seen her and Sean in the same room at the same time, so I know that they are different people. Though, weirdly, they are kind of the same person, just different genders. Almost like some god split a single person into their yin and yang components. But I digress. She is most assuredly real. :)
-Lisa
It's possible Jodi may exist...
It's not like they're claiming Sean can grow hair or anything :P
Meanie! :oP
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I believe in Jodi (she's making a list and checking it twice, I've heard). However I can't say I believe in Christopher Carey (and possibly Pierce Watters too). Evil clones of Sutter! Or possible undocumented illegal immigrants working in the Paizo sweatshop!Pierce is real, I've known him since before Sutter was born!
So what you're saying is... that Pierce is an evil clone of you?
Pierce is real, I've known him since before Sutter was born!So what you're saying is... that Pierce is an evil clone of you?
If you'd ever met Pierce, you'd know he's not evil, just odd. :)
@ DeathQuaker: Thanks for this! I'll print it out and take it with me next time I go into my FLGS.
I hope it's helpful! One note: FLGS is good for finding specific miniature paints. For everything else (brushes, varnish, etc.), you may be better off hitting a craft store like Michael's or art store--or searching online. You'll often find more of what you need, more choices, for a smaller price. FLGS's can't afford to sell art supplies in bulk so they sell at full retail price; specialty stores can afford to have sales.
This is NOT to say don't support your FLGS--just in the particular case of art supplies, craft stores and the like are often going to offer exactly what you need and for a better deal (and they need support too!). There are exceptions of course, too--a really big FLGS may be able to offer more for a better price, etc.
Thanks for taking the time and contributing to this thread! Very cool!
I love blabbing about miniatures. I hope other folks post their tips too!
Oh, speaking of which, here's a couple more links--not for tips but for supplies:
The Warstore--Great online store for nearly everything you need mini--models, paints, terrain, etc., and nearly everything is 20% off retail price. Of course, the Paizo store here has a great selection as well and similar discount, but if you can't find it here, try the Warstore. The customer service is fantastic--last time, I was having trouble with my order and the fellow who runs the store responded to me personally and made sure my shipment got sent out on time. http://www.thewarstore.com
Micromark--This is an online store specializing in miniature tools for hobbies of all kinds--not just minis, but model trains, jewellers, etc. They have all kinds of weird, random tools and things that you are going to have trouble finding anywhere else. For just painting, they don't have much to offer beyond what you can get elsewhere, but if you also do conversions or sculpting, they're a godsend--high quality miniature tools for reasonable prices. If you need cutters, files, pin vises, drill bits, sculpting tools, magnifiers, etc. etc. this is a great place to go: http://www.micromark.com
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I sort of developed my own little, "technique" while painting minis. Especially the ones that have a lot of detail. Well, I can't really explain it without visual (photos) explanation. Sean and I have been calling it the, "Half brush technique." It works really well. I'm going to see about taking some very close up pictures of this when I do it something and I'll post them!
Basically, this technique just involves minimal paint on the front half of the brush, then let's say you're painting the edge of a character's tunic...those edges are on top of their skin which is hard to do without getting it on their arms/legs...so, I just let half of the brush sort of hang off the edge to paint those areas.
Works really nicely. Trust me, pictures will help!
So, in a way I guess this could be called the "Half-half brush" technique because you're only allowing paint halfway onto the brush and then only using half of the bristles. H
ope that kinda makes sense for you peeps! I am probably not the first one to think of this, but I was excited about it because it works really well for me!
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Suddenly I'm having flashbacks to working at Games Workshop.
Course, I haven't had any experience with anything other than Citadel paints and primer, but if people use those, I can give you a lot of tips...
I'll see if I can get my webcam up and running to make some pictures of models...if the cats don't eat them first...
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I sort of developed my own little, "technique" while painting minis. Especially the ones that have a lot of detail. Well, I can't really explain it without visual (photos) explanation. Sean and I have been calling it the, "Half brush technique." It works really well. I'm going to see about taking some very close up pictures of this when I do it something and I'll post them!
Basically, this technique just involves minimal paint on the front half of the brush, then let's say you're painting the edge of a character's tunic...those edges are on top of their skin which is hard to do without getting it on their arms/legs...so, I just let half of the brush sort of hang off the edge to paint those areas.
Works really nicely. Trust me, pictures will help!