Black-Eyed Bartimus |
Blackie attacks the lion attacking Grumbly.
Full Attack: 1d20+14=21, 1d6+6+1d6=11, 1d20+9=25, 1d6+7+1d6=14
"By Cayden, these kitties are obnoxious, aren't they!"
therealthom |
Yes, we are. Sorry. Work has become almost frantic.
As I read the grapple rules the lions have a CMB of 7+5+1= 13
base attack +7, str bonus +5, size +1
The dire lion on Sleepy is 12+7+2=21
With improved grab there's no AoO.
Elmora CMB = 7, SLeepy CMB = 11 To get to grapple the lions have to beat 15 + your CMB.
Elmora 14 + 13 = 27 . You're grappled.
Sleepy 11+ 21 = 32. You're grappled.
Please double check me . It's late , I'm tired, and I'm working too fast for accuracy.
Also, the rules (p. 150) don't seem clear to me. They don't mention an opposing check by the target. That just doesn't seem right.
Strangler: No longer wants to grapple kitties. You pound them to mush instead. Two dead kitties. Really , really dead kitties. This Octopus thing is ridiculous.
thereal thom |
Begin Round 2
Subject to double check by the party, Sleepy and Elmora are grappled. (p. 400)
Initiative: Most of you have moved down waiting for opponents to come to you.
Tialla
Elmora
Manticore
Strangler
Grumbley
Blackie
Lions
Sleepy
Dire Lion
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Actions posted so far. You may change these actions depending on if I've handled the grappples correctly.
Tialla. Free action, drop sling; free action (Quick Draw), draw shortswords; full attack on the lion.
Full attack (1d20+13=27, damage 1d4+3=5; 1d20+8=9, damage 1d4+3=4; 1d20+13=15, damage 1d4+2=3; 1d20+8=12, damage 1d4+2=6)
Looks like 8 damage total. You will have your flanker soon. Strangler was behind you in the marching order.
Blackie attacks the lion attacking Grumbly.
Full Attack: 1d20+14=21, 1d6+6+1d6=11, 1d20+9=25, 1d6+7+1d6=14
Sleepy will fight back ... obviously, and spend another ki point for an additional FoB attack.
Flurry of Blows 1: 1d20+8=28 2d6+2=11
Flurry of Blows 2: 1d20+8=14 2d6+2=12
Flurry of Blows 3: 1d20+3=6 2d6+2=5
Flurry of Blows 4: 1d20+8=18 2d6+2=8
Sleepy Monk |
Sleepy wrote:Sleepy will fight back ... obviously, and spend another ki point for an additional FoB attack.
Flurry of Blows 1: 1d20+8=28 2d6+2=11
Flurry of Blows 2: 1d20+8=14 2d6+2=12
Flurry of Blows 3: 1d20+3=6 2d6+2=5
Flurry of Blows 4: 1d20+8=18 2d6+2=8
Sleepy will stick with his declared actions this round. This imposes a -2 to his attack rolls (as per the grappled condition, page 400). The above FoB attacks are modified as follows:
Flurry of Blows 1: 1d20+8-2=26 2d6+2=11
Flurry of Blows 2: 1d20+8-2=12 2d6+2=12
Flurry of Blows 3: 1d20+3-2=4 2d6+2=5
Flurry of Blows 4: 1d20+8-2=16 2d6+2=8
We'll see how well this works out ... being pinned does not look good.
Strangler McGee |
Wow...regular lions have a BAB of +3, and these lions have a BAB of +7! This is a souped-up dire lion, too (+12 BAB instead of +6). No wonder they're so good at grappling.
On Strangler's turn he makes another 8 tentacle lashes (and one bite) at any lions within range. (no grapples) Note that all of his damage is nonlethal, so the lions are not dead, just resting.
tentacles: 1d20+13=15 1d20+13=16 1d20+13=15 1d20+13=29 1d20+13=27 1d20+13=28 1d20+13=28 1d20+13=29
tentacle damage: 1d4+1d6+8=17 1d4+1d6+8=11 1d4+1d6+8=14 1d4+1d6+8=12 1d4+1d6+8=14 1d4+1d6+8=17 1d4+1d6+8=13 1d4+1d6+8=12
bite attack & damage: 1d20+8=10 1d8+1d6+4=12
Grumble Grog |
Wow...regular lions have a BAB of +3, and these lions have a BAB of +7! This is a souped-up dire lion, too (+12 BAB instead of +6). No wonder they're so good at grappling.
On Strangler's turn he makes another 8 tentacle lashes (and one bite) at any lions within range. (no grapples) Note that all of his damage is nonlethal, so the lions are not dead, just resting.
tentacles: 1d20+13=15 1d20+13=16 1d20+13=15 1d20+13=29 1d20+13=27 1d20+13=28 1d20+13=28 1d20+13=29
tentacle damage: 1d4+1d6+8=17 1d4+1d6+8=11 1d4+1d6+8=14 1d4+1d6+8=12 1d4+1d6+8=14 1d4+1d6+8=17 1d4+1d6+8=13 1d4+1d6+8=12
bite attack & damage: 1d20+8=10 1d8+1d6+4=12
Bite is lethal isn't it?
Not dead just resting...good that means the hides won't be damaged when Grumble skins them.
thereal thom |
left my notes at home. Soo ... Sleepy just barely slips the grapple. Elmora is still grappled.
You rain down death and destruction on the poor kitties. Or in Strangler's case subdual damage.
I'll assume Tialla sidles toward Strangler so that she can pick up flanking if Strangler attacks her lion.
Sleepy beats up on his dire lion and notices it has previous slashing wounds.
I'll let you know the results of your attacks and your opponents reply when I get home tonight.
Grumble Grog |
If the lion I was fighting is killed by another player I will spring to the one that's on Elmora with a single attack. If the one I'm fighting is alive I'll slaughter it with a Full attack.
GROGGGG!!!!!
First attack:
1d20+16=18, 1d10+6+1d6=17
second attack if I'm able to do a Full attack.
1d20+13=26, 1d10+6+1d6=20
Merciful Amulet of Might blows...interesting
Sleepy |
Hi All,
Here is a summary of battle so far.
Round 1 battle map
Talia hits manticore with sling, manticore hasn't acted yet in the round so is flat-footed, SA applies.Strangler AoO vs Lion 2, grapple misses (18 vs DC 15 + 9)
Strangler tentacle 1 hits vs Lion 2, grapple hits and squishes Lion 2
Full attack stops after constrict.Elmora hits the manticore twice
Grumble full attack:
Attack 1 vs Lion 5: d20 + 16 = 26, 1d10+6+1d6 = 15
Attack 2 vs Lion 5: d20 + 11 = 30, 1d10+6+1d6 = 12 (x3 crit)
Attack 2 crit confirm: d20 + 11: 27, confirm: +2d10 = 19
Grumbly turns lion 5 into a charburger.Blackie moves to hit Lion 6 with rapier as it closes, severely wounding it.
Sleepy hits Dire Lion w/3 FoB attacks as it closes.
Dire lion hits Sleepy for 19 points, fails grapple.
Lion 4 hits Elmora with bit/claw and grapple.
Lions 2, 3 hit Strangler for 19 points.
Round 2 battle map
Round 2: Initiatives now that some folks have dropped to match the lions:
Tialla 27
Elmora 19
Strangler 11
Grumbley 11
Blackie 11
Sleepy 11
All leonine creatures 11
Tialla full attack on Lion 1, 2 of four attacks hit, she does 8 points.
Elmora successfully casts Enlarge Person on herself.
--- The following PC/lion attacks are all simultaneous:
Strangler first throws 3 tentacles on Lion 3, squishing it and knocking it unconscious. Then reaching out with 2 more toward the one on Tialla, knocking that one unconscious too. Lastly, two more reach out for the lion on Elmora, severely wounding that one too.
Grumbly first attack on Lion 6, hits, does 17 more damage and kills it. Seeing Elmora in trouble, he then moves to kill that one.
Blackie sees that most of the lions are down or under control, except for the manticore and the dire lion. Moving to Sleepy's side, he attacks:
6 + 11: 17, hits, d6 + 4 + d6: 13 points
Sleepy hits with two FoB attacks, 19 more points on Dire Lion
Lion 1 full attack on Tialla: 2 claws +7 melee (1d4+5) and bite +2 melee (1d8+2) vs AC 25
17 + 7: 24, miss
12 + 7: 19, miss
14 + 2: 16, miss
Lion 3 full attack on Strangler: 2 claws +7 melee (1d4+5) and bite +2 melee (1d8+2) vs AC 24
14 + 7: 24, hit: 8 points
13 + 7: 23, miss
19 + 2: 21, miss
Lion 4 grapple check on Elmora: (d20 + 9 CMB + 5 circumstance bonus: 24 vs DC 15 + 7 CMB + 1 str from EP + 1 size: 24, lion hits): lion does unarmed damage: d4+5+d4+5+d8+2: 22 points
Lion 6 full attack on Grumble: 2 claws +7 melee (1d4+5) and bite +2 melee (1d8+2) vs AC 29, all miss.
Manticore flies up to 45' height and then shoots a volley of spikes at the giant octopus:
10 + 8: 18, miss
9 + 8: 17, miss
16 + 8: 24, hits, d8+2: 3 points
16 + 8: 24, hits, d8+2: 7 points
16 + 8: 24, hits, d8+2: 4 points
6 + 8: 14, miss
Dire Lion full attacks Sleepy 2 claws +13 melee (1d6+7) and bite +7 melee (1d8+3) vs AC 20:
16 + 13: 29, hit, d6+7: 10 points
18 + 13: 31, hit, d6+7: 9 points
10 + 7: 17, miss
Summary of conditions:
Conditions are the damage taken / total hit points
Tialla: -0/62
Strangler: -41/72
Elmora: -17/75
Grumble: -0/102
Bart: -0/64
Sleepy: -38/53
Dire Lion: -55/60
Manticore: -28/57
Lion 1: -36/32
Lion 2: -43/32
Lion 3: -42/32
Lion 4: -25/32
Lion 5: -60/32
Lion 6: -44/32
Sleepy |
Fantastic! Just one comment: a creature with Improved Grab does natural weapon damage (bite damage, in the case of lions) instead of unarmed strike damage on a successful grapple check.
Thanks, I'm sure I made a few mistakes. I think I got Strangler's AC in octopus form correct, but not 100% sure. I'll correct all the mistakes pointed out for the next round. I also neglected to add some of the human racial bonuses to Sleepy's stats (2 points to stats, favored class bonuses, etc.), so I'll look at that too.
Elmora, Elven Summoner |
Elmora will attempt to break free from the grapple.
1d20=14+7CMB+1STR+1SIZE=23 ...
Black-Eyed Bartimus |
Seeing the Octo-Druid and the Monk in hard shape, Bartimus pulls forth his battered mug, raises it in a salute and says, "If you don't heal 'em mate, their stories won't be worth the tellin'!"
Channel Energy (attempting to catch the Monk and Octo-Druid in the burst): 5d6=22
22 healing to Octo and Monk!
Sleepy |
Seeing the Octo-Druid and the Monk in hard shape, Bartimus pulls forth his battered mug, raises it in a salute and says, "If you don't heal 'em mate, their stories won't be worth the tellin'!"
Channel Energy (attempting to catch the Monk and Octo-Druid in the burst): 5d6=22
22 healing to Octo and Monk!
I'm assuming Bart will try to position himself to catch the monk and druid? I noticed he doesn't have Selective Channeling, so if any lions are in the burst, they too will be healed.
Black-Eyed Bartimus |
Black-Eyed Bartimus wrote:I'm assuming Bart will try to position himself to catch the monk and druid? I noticed he doesn't have Selective Channeling, so if any lions are in the burst, they too will be healed.Seeing the Octo-Druid and the Monk in hard shape, Bartimus pulls forth his battered mug, raises it in a salute and says, "If you don't heal 'em mate, their stories won't be worth the tellin'!"
Channel Energy (attempting to catch the Monk and Octo-Druid in the burst): 5d6=22
22 healing to Octo and Monk!
If I might revise, attack the dire lion in front of me now and I'll move to channel next round. Sorry, missed the map, which is VERY helpful by the way!
Attack: 1d20+14=21, 1d6+7+1d6=17, 1d20+9=29, 1d6+7+1d6=16
Possible crit on the second shot: 1d20+9=11, 1d6+7+1d6=13 No confirmation!
Sleepy |
Round 3
Battlemap
Correction from round 2, Elmora only took bite damage in round 2, d8+2: 8 points.
Initiatives:
Tialla 27
Elmora 19
Strangler 11
Grumbley 11
Blackie 11
Sleepy 11
All leonine creatures 11
Tialla whips that little sling of hers up towards the manticore: d20 + 3: 23, crit confirm d20+3: 19, confirmed, (d3+1)x2: 4 points.
Elmora attempts to break the stranglehold the lion has on her: 23 vs DC 27 (15 + lion's CMB: 3 base + 5 str + 2 improved grab), failure, Elmora is not free.
All actions from here on are simultaneous
Strangler casts air walking upon himself this round and succeeds. He moves upward 10' (1/2 speed)
Grumbly whacks away at the lion Elmora disengaged from: d20+16: 27, d20+11: 24, 1d10+6+1d6: 14, 1d10+6+1d6: 19
Blackie continues to pummel the dire lion gouging Sleepy, two hits for 33 points of damage
Sleepy does a normal FoB vs the dire lion: 1d20+8=26, 1d20+8=21, 1d20+3=7, 2 hits: 19 more points
Manticore flies up to 70' height and then shoots a volley of spikes at the now floating, giant octopus:
d20 + 8: 12, miss
d20 + 8: 27, hits, d8+2: 10 points
d20 + 8: 22, miss
d20 + 8: 13, miss
d20 + 8: 13, miss
d20 + 8: 21, miss
Lion 4 maintains grapple, does bite damge
d20 + 12: 27 vs DC 24 (15 + Elmora's CMB: 7, + 1 size, + 1 str)
d8 + 3: 7 points
Dire Lion full attacks Sleepy 2 claws +13 melee (1d6+7) and bite +7 melee (1d8+3) vs AC 20:
d20 + 13: 16, miss
d20 + 13: 26, hit, d6+7: 10 points
d20 + 7: 24, hit, d8+3: 10 points
Free grapple check: d20 + 14: 16 vs DC 32, miss
Status:
Conditions are the damage taken / total hit points
Tialla: -0/62
Strangler: -51/72
Elmora: -30/75
Grumble: -0/102
Bart: -0/64
Sleepy: -58/53
Dire Lion: -107/70
Manticore: -32/57
Lion 1: -36/32
Lion 2: -43/32
Lion 3: -42/32
Lion 4: -68/32
Lion 5: -60/32
Lion 6: -44/32
Strangler McGee |
Strangler the Octopus glubbers with rage at the cowardly manticore. He gains a little more altitude and then blasts the flying lion with a gout of divine flame!
flame strike, DC 16
9d6=28
Grumble Grog |
GRumbel will full attack the lion on Elmora. In addition I will activiate my Lion's Shield! "Roar"
Axe attacks:
1d20+16=25, 1d20+11=22
Axe Damage:1d10+6+1d6 =10, 1d10+6+1d6 =16
Lion shield Attacks:1d20+14=16, 1d20+9=10
"crummy shield doesn't want to attack its own!!!"
Possible dmg for the 16 on the shield:2d6=10
"Have at you RUG!!"
Strangler McGee |
Elmora will hold her action, waiting for Grumble to free her.
Why doesn't Elmora just cast a spell (e.g. Glitterdust)? The Spellcraft DC is pretty trivial -- DC 17.
Remember -- being grappled is way, way less painful than it is in 3.5. You can even make (one-handed) attacks normally, if you want.
Elmora, Elven Summoner |
Elmora, Elven Summoner wrote:Elmora will hold her action, waiting for Grumble to free her.Why doesn't Elmora just cast a spell (e.g. Glitterdust)? The Spellcraft DC is pretty trivial -- DC 17.
Remember -- being grappled is way, way less painful than it is in 3.5. You can even make (one-handed) attacks normally, if you want.
glitterdust isn't going to help with the grapple...I did look at the different spells I could cast, I didn't choose many actual attack spells. Remember he's going to run several encounters linked. I'm sure I'll be free after grumble's attack, glitterdust would cause grumble to have to roll or be blinded himself...also note: I have a long bow and elven curved blade. I have 3k of stuff I can still buy, but I didn't get around to it during creation, so I'll wait til after this battle to buy a one-handed weapon.
Black-Eyed Bartimus |
Blackie will cast lose Holy Smite to cast a Cure Critical Wounds spell on Sleepy.
Healing Smite-Down!: 4d8+9=26
Elmora, Elven Summoner |
Elmora quickly recovers from the lion, and draws back her bow three times, launching flaming death at the manticore1d20+8=25, 1d20+8=15, 1d20+3=22 (reduced attack numbers due to large size.)
damage for possible hits.1d10+1+1d6=6, 1d10+1+1d6=14, 1d10+1+1d6=8
Sleepy |
Round 4
Initiatives:
Tialla 27
Elmora 19
Strangler 11
Grumbley 11
Blackie 11
Sleepy 11
Manticore 11
Tialla: -0/62
Strangler: -51/72
Elmora: -30/75
Grumble: -0/102
Bart: -0/64
Sleepy: -32/53
Dire Lion: -107/70
Manticore: -80/57
Lion 1: -36/32
Lion 2: -43/32
Lion 3: -42/32
Lion 4: -68/32
Lion 5: -60/32
Lion 6: -44/32
Tialla: full attack w/sling: d20+14=24, d20+9=18, d3+1= 2, d3+1=4, 6 points.
Elmora full attack, hits with first, third attacks: 14 points
Simultaneous attacks:
Strangler flame strike: Reflex save, d20 + 7: 14, fails, 28 points
Grumbly grumbles something about missing out on all the fun
Blackie's CCW brings Sleepy back up from the dying.
Manticore's last volley at Strangler:
d20+8: 9, miss
d20+8: 23, miss
d20+8: 12, miss
d20+8: 10, miss
d20+8: 10, miss
d20+8: 11, miss
End of round, everyone is still alive, lions, dire lion, manticore are down.
Sleepy |
Now that this encounter is over, I would appreciate any thoughts on this. We should round up the relevant points and post them to the playtest reports forum. Let's use the discussion thread to organize our thoughts.