playtest 01 (Inactive)

Game Master therealthom

The party is moving along a narrow ravine in rough terrain.

Please give me a marching order and 3 perception checks each.

How narrow? At any rate, Strangler will be in earth elemental form with Greater Magic Fang (+1 to all weapons) on, if possible. He'll be near the front of the marching order.

1d20+20=27
1d20+20=40
1d20+20=33

nice perception rolls .

The ravine is about 20' wide. The sides are not quite vertical. It runs fairly straight. A stream runs through it kind of in the middle. Sparse trees, some rocks.

The party is moving uphill towards the north. Sides of the ravine are on the east and west.

Since he has a decent movement, sleepy monk can afford to be toward the rear.

1d20+15=17
1d20+15=28
1d20+15=21

Let's see if anyone can be a result of 40. :)

Not even gonna try to beat 40 perception.

Elmora has her bow ready, with a normal arrow nocked.

Elmora is scanning the edges of the ravine1d20+3=9, 1d20+3=20, 1d20+3=22

Whut's that in the bottum o'me mug?

(also can't beat a 40 perception.)1d20+10=17, 1d20+10=13, 1d20+10=20

In a ravine, I'm on the alert, though I look like a wizard right now, my armor glamered into robes and my hat of disguise making me look like a frail gnome.

From ahead of the group comes a great roar. In the back of the group Sleepy sees a large leonine form slink unto the path about 100' behind him. A handful of other large catlike forms slink in the shadows and shade to the right. The druid spots movement at the top of the ravine on the left about 120' ahead just before a huge winged catlike creature catapults itself over the edge and soars toward you.

Initiative please.

"Look out, ye bastarrrds! There's a dam' big kitty comin' our way!" Strangler growls in his gravelly elemental voice.

1d20+2=21 init

I think that's wasted my allotment of decent rolls for the day...

1d20+4=19 I put the wrong number in IC, fixed it here. If you want the cleric in instead of Elmora, we can swap, I don't want to hog the playtest.

Attempt to Identify the creature. right, not likely1d20=3 add relavent knowledge skill

1d20+2=15

"Grumble Grog knew dis was der perfect spot fer ambushes!"

Let's say, Grumble and Elmora are in the middle?

Initiative: (d20) + 2 = 12

Sorry I'm a bit late...

Initiative (1d20+10=27)

Tialla would likely be on point, I would think...

Perception (1d20+11=27, 1d20+11=14, 1d20+11=21) (In case it matters for surprise rounds and the like.)

Really. I'm paying attention. I tried to get encounter stats up on my alias, and had to do it 3 times. Arrgh, Fumble thumbs.

Anyway, given your comments, I'll take the marching order as :
From North to south:
Tialla
Strangler
Elmora
Grumbley (Intoxicating background by the way)
Blackie
Sleepy

You guys really need another dwarf.

Initiative:
Tialla 27
Strangler 21
Elmora 19
Grumbley 15
Blackie 14 rolled for you and the percept rolls too
Sleepy 12

Evil beasts 11-9

Too funny, I just noticed your intiative order is the same as marching order.

The following can act in the surprise round:

Tialla
Strangler
Grumbley
Blackie

Surprise rounders fire away. I'll try to work up something like a map. You've got the flying lion, the bigtrailing lion, and several side lions for targets. Range to flying and trailing lion as given above. Side lions 30'.

I'll try to work up a map. Mine tend to be primitive. Any suggestions in this line appreciated.

"Incoming," Tialla mutters to herself as the soaring shape moves in.

Quick Draw the sling, ready an action to attack the flying shape when it gets within 30 feet, if doing so will allow her a sneak attack. Otherwise she wants to dive into the bushes for Stealth purposes.

Grumble Grog Readies his shield and readies an action to attack a creature that gets near him.

If something is foolish enough to attack the frail little gnome wizard...

"Incoming," Tialla mutters to herself as the soaring shape moves in.

Quick Draw the sling, ready an action to attack the flying shape when it gets within 30 feet, if doing so will allow her a sneak attack. Otherwise she wants to dive into the bushes for Stealth purposes.

Tialla, it will be able to see you as it soars in, I don't think sneak attack would be appropriate. I'll assume you're hiding and moving left away from the lions on the right.

Grumbley, no lions close to striking distance with you in the surprise round. You are ready and may keep that (and the rolls) as your next round action or not.

"Come and get me, you sons of dogs! I'll tear you limb from limb and piss on the stumps! I'll --" Strangler's ravings turn into incoherent "glubs" as he takes the form of an enormous octopus!

wild shape into giant octopus

Tialla, it will be able to see you as it soars in, I don't think sneak attack would be appropriate. I'll assume you're hiding and moving left away from the lions on the right.

I was more thinking about whether it would still be flat-footed, since it lost init, but I was pretty sure it wouldn't be. Guess I should have taken the talent that makes everyone flat-footed during surprise rounds after all...

Tialla dives left into a clutch of foliage, readying her sling as she goes.

Stealth (1d20+22=38)

Not sure if you're doing multiple rounds or not, but as soon as Sleepy Monk can act, he'll turn and face the leonine form that he noticed from the rear. He'll delay a readied FoB until the thing attacks. He'll also spend 1 ki point to get an extra FoB attack when that happens.

Strangler casts an (octopus) eye on the big cats, seeing if he can identify any of them.

Know: Nature 1d20+12=30

"Col' sarn it! You'd never guess what color my urine's this morning after that dwarven ale!" Bartimus stumbles in from the bushes, still hitching up his trousers.

Init:Nevermind! That ought to teach me to read..

Blackie'll cast Divine Favor on himself as soon as he's able.

Surprise round:

Tialla ambushing.

Grumbley ready strike

Strangler wildshapes to octopus. Begs the question how long can you hold that form in the air before you have trouble breathing?

Blacky: buffs.

Big lion at rear closes to 60'.

Flying lion closes to 100'

Strangler, the lions are pretty big. The big one behind the party is dire size. The flying lion is would probably qualify if it weren't a lammasu, or manticore.

You guys have the top of round 1 initiative.

Post away. Sleepy has posted round 1 action ready FoB. What's an FoB?

Strangler wildshapes to octopus. Begs the question how long can you hold that form in the air before you have trouble breathing?

Pathfinder rules only say that "If the form grants a swim or burrow speed, you maintain the ability to breathe if you are swimming or burrowing". It doesn't say anything about losing the ability to breathe air... If you have a complaint, take it up with Jason. :)

Post away. Sleepy has posted round 1 action ready FoB. What's an FoB?

Flurry of Bozos, I think.

Strangler delays until one of the opponents comes into range, trusting that his 20' tentacles will ensnare any enemy that comes too close.

therealthom wrote:

Post away. Sleepy has posted round 1 action ready FoB. What's an FoB?

Flurry of Bozos, I think.

Flurry of Balloons ... the idea is to obscure their vision and then hit from the side.

Seriously, Flurry of Blows. He should be at +8/+8/+3/+8 (normal flurry of blows plus one from spending a ki point.) and 2d6+2 damage.

Attack 1: (d20) + 8 = 25, 2d6+2 = 9
Attack 2: (d20) + 8 = 16, 2d6+2 = 6
Attack 3: (d20) + 3 = 5, 2d6+2 = 9
Attack 4: (d20) + 8 = 16, 2d6+2 = 8

Blackie will designate the first one in melee range as his dodge target, draw his rapier, snap off a flourishy salute and ready an action to attack the first enemy to get close enough!

Attack: 1d20+14=33, 1d6+7+1d6=15 2 pts of that is electrical

Possible Crit Confirmation: 1d20+14=23, 1d6+7=12

Eh, eh? Nice!

"By Cayden Cailean, ye durn'd beasts better watch yer hides, lest I make 'em into a throw rug, ye hear?!?"

PFRPG doesn't require you to declare a Dodge target, just to declare that you are dodging.

Tialla readies an action to hit the incoming flyer with a sling bullet when it gets within 30 ft.

Sling attack (1d20+14=16, damage 1d3+1=2, sneak attack 5d6=12)
Glad I got those out of the way now, I guess.

Since others are posting attack results...

If he gets an AoO when one of the lions closes:
atk: 1d20+13=22 dmg: 1d4+1d6+8=13 grapple check: 1d20+16=18 constrict: 2d8+1d6+8=24

Full attack against one of the lions (note that the full attack stops once he makes a successful grapple check + constrict):
tentacles 1-8:
1d20+13=22 1d4+1d6+8=11 1d20+16=30 2d8+1d6+8=19
1d20+13=14 1d4+1d6+8=16 1d20+16=18 2d8+1d6+8=20
1d20+13=30 1d4+1d6+8=14 1d20+16=25 2d8+1d6+8=18
1d20+13=33 1d4+1d6+8=16 1d20+16=34 2d8+1d6+8=23
1d20+13=15 1d4+1d6+8=14 1d20+16=36 2d8+1d6+8=20
1d20+13=17 1d4+1d6+8=17 1d20+16=18 2d8+1d6+8=20
1d20+13=33 1d4+1d6+8=17 1d20+16=24 2d8+1d6+8=16
1d20+13=33 1d4+1d6+8=14 1d20+16=35 2d8+1d6+8=26
bite: 1d20+8=11 1d8+1d6+4=11

I'm a bit suspicious about those results from the dice roller -- there are 4 natural 20s in there!

On Elmora's turn, she snaps off 3 shots at the flyer.

1d20+9=12, 1d8+1+1d6=9, 1d20+9=23, 1d8+1+1d6=3 1d20+4=23, 1d8+1+1d6=11

Grumble grumbles something about patience and grog

[and continues to wait for the nearest one, if I had known how far they were away in the beginning, I would have launched a couple of throwing axes. oh well]

I'm a bit suspicious about those results from the dice roller -- there are 4 natural 20s in there!

I didn't know we should be using the dice roller ... I will take advantage of that service for future rounds.

I don't know if we're supposed to use an on-line roller, but it can speed things along if players make their own rolls.

I don't know if we're supposed to use an on-line roller, but it can speed things along if players make their own rolls.

I see the benefit already. I might start asking my players in the pbem I run to do the same thing.

So strangler, are you using the octopus loophole to see how powerful a druid you can make? Do you really have 16 attacks? or is that 8 attack and 8 grapples? I'm confused.

So strangler, are you using the octopus loophole to see how powerful a druid you can make? Do you really have 16 attacks? or is that 8 attack and 8 grapples? I'm confused.

The rolls are 8 tentalce attacks (+ damage) and 8 grapple checks for Improved Grab (+ possible constrict damage).

My goal right now is to see if I can make grappling is worthwhile; the octopus just gives me the best chance of starting a grapple!

There seems to be some confusion as to what the modifiers are when you change shape, do you gain the size changes, plus the beast shape mods, or only the beast shape mods. I gotta reas through this before this weekend for my RL game, my wife is playing a druid.

Only the beast shape mods. The polymorph subschool description is pretty clear on that point.

Only the beast shape mods. The polymorph subschool description is pretty clear on that point.

That's what I'm talking about, shouldn't they both be polymorph? Or is Wild Shape a different beast entirely?

Tialla Cloudstep wrote:

Only the beast shape mods. The polymorph subschool description is pretty clear on that point.

That's what I'm talking about, shouldn't they both be polymorph? Or is Wild Shape a different beast entirely?

Your stats change according to the spell effect (which wild shape duplicates) but not in any other way - you get no other stat boosts or penalties for size changes. You do still get the attack/AC/Stealth penalties for getting bigger, of course, or bonuses for being smaller, but that's it.

thereal thom wrote:

Strangler wildshapes to octopus. Begs the question how long can you hold that form in the air before you have trouble breathing?

Pathfinder rules only say that "If the form grants a swim or burrow speed, you maintain the ability to breathe if you are swimming or burrowing". It doesn't say anything about losing the ability to breathe air... If you have a complaint, take it up with Jason. :)

therealthom wrote:

Post away. Sleepy has posted round 1 action ready FoB. What's an FoB?

Flurry of Bozos, I think.

Flurry of Blows, Of Course! Duuh!

Neither do the Pathfinder rules as written grant you the ability to breath under water, but you would no doubt feel ill-used were you to drown in octopus form. ;p

The octopus is big there will be a significant time lag (at least 5 rounds) before lack of breath affects him. Where are the drowning rules? I skimmed my rules last night but couldn't find them.

I think this is a good, but time limited, use of wild shape and besides I want to try some grappling.

With regard to rolling. Use your own dice. Use an on-line roller. I don't care. I think we're all here in the interests of playtest. Therefore we won't be cheating.

Also, the discussion has been really good. But let's either make a discussion thread.. I personally would rather not have to sift through all the discussion to find the actions.

Initiative:
Tialla 27
Strangler 21
Elmora 19
Grumbley 15
Blackie 14 rolled for you and the percept rolls too
Sleepy 12

Evil beasts 11-9

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ROund 1:

All landbound Lions AC 15

FLying Lion AC 16.

Tialla 1 lion goes for you. Your readied attack hits.

Strangler 2 lions go for you. We'll resolve it in a separate post.

Elmora 1 lion chagres you. You deliver 14 hp to the flyer.

Grumbley 2 lions. You severely wound one lion as it attacks.

Blackie, temporarily without melee opponent. You can reach and help Grumbley. One wounded lion dies.

Sleepy, the big lion charges you. You score 3 hits as the lion charges you.

Lions attack on you upcoming in new post.

Lions charge from sides.

Sleepy and the big boy. Sleepy takes 19 hp on a claw and a bite, and a rake. The lion will try to drag you down. (Grapple)

Elmora, manticore launches a bunch of spikes at you. All miss. Your lion delivers 15 hp on a claw and a bite and a rake. Lion will Grapple.

Strangler, takes 19 on two claws and 2 rakes. The lions want to grapple.

Tialla and Grumble Grog both avoid damage, but are engaged.

I need to get to work. It was busy yesterday. Will be again. I'll post tonight. If someone wants to start on the grapples, cool.

Strangler, takes 19 on two claws and 2 rakes. The lions want to grapple.

Lions can only start a grapple with a bite, not with a claw or rake. I think Strangler will actually hold off on grappling for now -- it doesn't make much sense to grapple unless the PCs outnumber the enemies. So ignore all of those grapple check + constrict damage rolls for now.

Confirming critical threats + extra critical damage:
1d20+13=22 1d4+8=11
1d20+13=23 1d4+8=10
1d20+13=18 1d4+8=10

So did the lions all hit with their CMB rolls to Grapple.

Sleepy and the big boy. Sleepy takes 19 hp on a claw and a bite, and a rake. The lion will try to drag you down. (Grapple)

Sleepy will fight back ... obviously, and spend another ki point for an additional FoB attack.

Flurry of Blows 1: 1d20+8=28 2d6+2=11
Flurry of Blows 2: 1d20+8=14 2d6+2=12
Flurry of Blows 3: 1d20+3=6 2d6+2=5
Flurry of Blows 4: 1d20+8=18 2d6+2=8

Dammit, I need a flanker! :P

"Hey there, kitty! Go pick on someone your own size!"

Free action, drop sling; free action (Quick Draw), draw shortswords; full attack on the lion.

Full attack (1d20+13=27, damage 1d4+3=5; 1d20+8=9, damage 1d4+3=4; 1d20+13=15, damage 1d4+2=3; 1d20+8=12, damage 1d4+2=6)
Looks like 8 damage total.

So did the lions all hit with their CMB rolls to Grapple.

No, they haven't been rolled yet. Note that we have a brand new discussion thread to ask these questions on... :-P

"HERE KITTY KITTY! grapple my spiked armor you stupid fur-bag"