That seriously made me spit my drink out a bit. It was the nursing home theft line.
We are on the back burner through the holiday. you've got time to level up and ponder the riddle. I'm not giving any overt clues to get out of the vault. Let's see what you come up with.
As for "un-optimized"... you aren't. at all. really.
Kzrira is over optimized for my tastes. Karethas does an excellent job of making a mess of foes as only an experienced wizard can. Varkata is doing a great job on double duty healer and hurter. Only Amir seems to be below the power curve, partly because dicebot seems to hate him and partly just in comparison to Kzrira and partly because he's half rogue.
This group is more than holding their own against CR 9 and it's a rare encounter that Kzrira can't annihilate in 3 rounds given the chance.
So enough whinging, please.
If you 'feel' unoptimized, it's only because I'm working extra hard to keep things slightly challenging...
You could probably help Amir with some magic items. I am thinking a +2 Walker and Dentures of Chewing should bring him up to par with his contemporaries.
So, yes, assuming our GM's okay with it, I'm thinking Varkata will, in fact, dip Barbarian or Bloodrager -- basically duplicating the effects of having had the rage subdomain (strength of Cailean) -- and to give her a way to be a bit more effective in combat (since she rarely has time to buff).
Rage + Fast Movement seems worth the delay in spellcasting and channeling (well, one level's worth of delay, that is).
So, yes, assuming our GM's okay with it...
Isn't alcohol a depressant though? ; ) Sure, I'll take interesting over optimized any day.
and considering that Amir's advanced age, maybe Escaping from Nursing Homes would be more appropriate...
Ok, so, figured with the weird dreams and haunted past, having a touch of the Djinn in the blood made sense - went Elemental (Air) Bloodrager.
So, Level 8: Level 1 Bloodrager
+ Fast Movement, Bloodrage, Elemental Strikes
+ 1 Con
+ 4 skill points: Heal, Perception, Spellcraft, Spellcraft
+ 6 [8] hp
Really debated taking a Wis (boosting save DCs, bonus level 1), but figured having the hit points to not get splattered was better.
Ok, so, figured with the weird dreams and haunted past, having a touch of the Djinn in the blood made sense - went Elemental (Air) Bloodrager.
I like it; another take on a whirling dervish. The area she's from has a long history of genie habitation and could explain her strange markings, eyes, etc.
HP(wizard):
wondering what Amir's going to take for his level ??
y'all ready to start up again?
I'm ready.
About 3/4 leveled. Still need to decide what spells to take.
Some suggestions:
Vanish (Awesome 1st level spell useful in many situations)
Gravity Bow (Obvious. Did Voodoo have problems with this one? I remember some discussion of it)
Grease (More than just an area effect, good on an opponent's weapon or to help an ally escape a hold.)
Feather Fall
As for gravity bow, yes it could be a potion, but I personally think it is a rather dumb meta-gamed spell that only exists because enlarge person arbitrarily doesn't apply to ranged weapons. I would rather just house rule that enlarge person applies to ranged weapons.
Yeah, this is what I wrote. Still applies.
I return, post super colds and ER visits for back spasms and crazy sudden weather shifts...
Blah blah blah, Amir is not THAT old...yet.
I am going to go Fighter. With Weapon Master I get an ability that helps with my rolling at 5, and honestly there is nothing for me to dip into that makes any kind of sense. though I have to admit that I have been playing with Dreamscarred's Path of War book in another game and they did some good work in adding some flavor to martial types that are missing out of the gate...
I think I do okay, but I agree with Voodoo that compared to Kzrira I'm not such a damage machine but when dicebot giveth, I feel okay about my self ;p
+1 Str
+1 BAB
+1 Fort
+ 8 HP
+ 6 skill points:
+1 Stealth
+1 Acrobatics
+1 Bluff
+1 UMD
+1 Perception
+1 Disable Device
Power Attack...which I figure is the better choice if I am now going scimitar/short sword...
Though I have a question for you Voodoo. How would you feel about the scimitar being my "off hand"? The rules make some convoluted statements about the off hand being the light weapon and all that but would it really be so bad if a short sword is my primary?
I return, post super colds and ER visits for back spasms and crazy sudden weather shifts...
Power Attack...which I figure is the better choice if I am now going scimitar/short sword...
Though I have a question for you Voodoo. How would you feel about the scimitar being my "off hand"? The rules make some convoluted statements about the off hand being the light weapon and all that but would it really be so bad if a short sword is my primary?
Welcome back!
wait, what's with the scimitar? I thought you were dual wielding short swords.
Well I am but there is this obviously powerful scimitar kicking around in our treasure pile and the chances that we can trade it/ alter it or what have you are limited so it makes sense for me to wield it right? Extra d6 and +1 is well above what I gained from my other SS...unless maybe my other SS might start draining weapons too? LOL
Spells Selected:
Grease
Enlarge Person
Comprehend Languages
Shield
Vanish
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Moving forward, she will scribe scrolls from Karethas, if the dropout allows it, and then teach them to Spooky. At least once she realizes she has been around Karethas to realize that some of his magic skills have sort of worn off on her, or perhaps it is just some of Spooky's unnatural powers.
No problem Amir. Real life. We get it.
Hey voodoo, any more thoughts on my question about the big blade being in my "off" hand?
Hey Voodoo, should Tempest be able to cast 4th level spells since I have leveled?
Hey Voodoo, should Tempest be able to cast 4th level spells since I have leveled?
Yep.
So what's the plan, all? Let me know what you need to do in Katapesh and hn it sounds like a return to the evil oasis.
I think we need to figure out our split and do some shopping. I know I need some spells!
I think we need to figure out our split and do some shopping. I know I need some spells!
alright! someone needs to step up for some forensic accounting and let me know. I'm going to be fairly busy over the next week so I'll leave it up to you all to work up so we can continue...
I should have my last spreadsheet somehwere and can integrate the previous treasure into it and figure out splits. Give me till tomorrow.
Thanks Amir. I have no clue what all we have gathered over the past several months.
Adding my own appreciation to the "Thanks Amir".
I've been keeping a list on my character sheet. I'm not sure it's entirely comprehensive, but it's a start:
2 Potions of Bless
1 Potion of Clairvoyance
3 potions of clw
Potions of Remove Disease
Potion of Tongues
+1 rapier
+1 chain shirt
tiara of alluring charisma +2
6 small rubies
+1 Khopesh
+1 Breastplate
+2 Belt of Str
2 Rubies from Statue
+2 bracers of armor
+1 flaming burst scimitar
Some of the potions are before the last time we sold loot.
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2 Potions of Bless
3 potions of clw
Potion of Tongues
+1 rapier
+1 chain shirt
tiara of alluring charisma +2
6 small rubies (from gnoll lair)
+1 Khopesh
+1 Bronze Short Sword (Golnar)
+1 Breastplate
+2 Belt of Str
3 Rubies from Statue
+2 bracers of armor
+1 flaming burst scimitar
Ring of the Ram
Golden Circlet with Diamond
+2 Ring of Protection
Ebon Flame (Varkata's Sword)
Fleece of the Golden Ram
Healing Horn of the Ram (2 Uses Remain)
If we assume we keep the potions and the healing horn of the Ram as group treasure, there is the question of the fleece (should we just chalk it up to "group treasure") and then the value of Ebon Flame for distribution purposes (or maybe we hand wave that one out of the pool as something of indeterminate value and just appreciate the fact that Varkata can kill things?)
From there we just need to know the value of the gems/jewelry and I can do a break down...
On a separate note the one sad thing about looking back over the last couple of years of posts to determine treasure distro is getting to see all the times I say I am having issues with life. Makes me feel like Im not such a stable person, lol. Just the way things go I guess.
Edit: I also have a note about a potential loan to Kzrira from KArethas for 7000gp (I think at the time for a bow to replace Tempest). I'm not sure if that happened.
I think we redid loot and just purchased what we wanted at some point, probably 2 years ago. Not sure if the Tempest-Bow to Tempest-Staff happened at that time, or some other time. I know that a chunk of loot was spent getting Kzrira raised after you all decided to use her as a chopping post for the Carrion King.
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I think we redid loot and just purchased what we wanted at some point, probably 2 years ago. Not sure if the Tempest-Bow to Tempest-Staff happened at that time, or some other time. I know that a chunk of loot was spent getting Kzrira raised after you all decided to use her as a chopping post for the Carrion King.
Right, I found and calculated all that out already. At the time we raised Kzrira and then distro'd wealth. At the time Kzrira got a share of 4300 coins to account for the loss of Tempest but then there was a discussion about Karethas loaning Kzrira more than that to get a suitable replacement.
That sounds familiar... ;)
I think the best way is to tally up what we have and see if anyone is way up or down in wealth.
(150) Golden Agate Necklace - won from Krebble
(14000) Mithral Chainmail +3, 20 lbs
(315) Longsword, masterwork, 4 lbs
(2000) Slippers, Feather Step
(1150) Heavy Steel Shield +1, 15 lbs
(1000) Cloak of Protection +1
(1800) Efficient Quiver, 5 lbs
(4000) Belt of Dex +2
(2400) Shortsword +1 (Golnar)
(8000) Ring of Protection +2
(2400) - Composite Longbow +1 (12 Str), 3 lbs
~38,000 <-- most in the Ring +2 and the mithral chainmail +3 (22,000)
--> also, the Shortsword +1 is not something she really needs, I think Amir had an extra and we figured Kzrira should have a backup weapon to her bow
Kzrira also has 1275 gold.
yeah, it'd be nice to have a wealth total for each of you to make sure no one is falling too far behind.
WBL 8 = ~35,000 gp
Also, still not sure what 'big' sword Amir is talking about so a list of personal equipment from him might clarify...
I'll be over, just on the basis of Ebon Flame:
a +4 longsword (before quench) is 32,315
+4 headband is 16,000
+2 belt is 4,000
+1 breastplate is 1,400
That's got me at 52,715, before the scrolls and wands, which are more party things.
YEah I suddenly cannot find what I was talking about (re;the loan)... too many tabs open during that process.
The "big sword" I was asking about was the +1 flaming scimitar. (If you are meaning my question about TWF)
As for my weatlh...currently it is:
Red Seal Gem?
+2 Keen Flaming Short Sword - 32315
+1 Short Sword - 2315
Magical Haversash - 4000
+1 Mithril Shirt 2100
+1 Ring of Prot 2000
+1 Amulet of NA 2000
Mask of Disguise -1800
1110 GP
And I have a note that I should be getting 1280 at some point to account for costs related to Kzrira's raise, basically I helped foot a bigger chunk of that to help accomplish a good split at the time with the gear we had in hand.
So not considering the +4 sword I am at 21315 +/- whether the placeholder for the raise is right. The challenge here is that Varkata and I both got handed massively expensive weapons in my case suddenly adding 24000 gp to my wbl, lol In her case adding even more...
I guess we need to see where Karethas is at and what the pile is worth to get us equal. Regardless it seems like we are over WBL in a big way.
Edits WITHIN EDITS!
Varkata has the expensive weapon, I have moderately expensive armor. My weapon is actually just a +1 Composite Longbow.
If I still owe money for the raising, we can balance that out once we figure the loot.
Also, Amir, do you have a +1 Ring (2000) or a +2 Ring (8000)? You have it listed as a +1 worth 8000, which works if you have a really cool looking ring with big gems and engravings, but I do no think is what you meant.
Yeah I was tyiping things about your raise and then didn;t change the name when I started talking about Ebon Flame, My post should be more reflective of reality now, lol.
yeah, the big +4 weapons are going to skew things and I did that to give you guys more oomph since we're now running below AP level now.
I'm thinking maybe the ONE BIG ITEM (+4 enhanced weapons and Karethas' staff) will be discounted 50% to 16K meaning you should have around 16K of other gear. with that, Varkata still a little high, Amir a little low. Not sure about Karethas.
Kzrira doesn't really have the BIG item any more so she's at WPL, but yeah, missing the secret 16K bonus. maybe you can forgive her death debt...
Kzrira looks over at Karethas and sticks her tongue out at the Tempest Staff.
Deserter.
Spellsight Bracers- +1 Deflection bonus to AC, Detect Magic and Mage Hand at will, Extend Spell one spell a day ?
Tempest ?
Rod of Extend Spell 3,000
3 Pearls of Power-Level 1 3,000
Ram's Skin: Cloak of Resistance +3 (not counting spells) 9,000
Ring of the Ram (22 Charges) 3,784
10 extra 1st level spells 159gp
7 extra 2nd level spells 420gp
3 extra 3rd level spells 405gp
Spells from Idi's spellbook 60gp
5563 cash
25,391 +Tempest and Spellsight Bracers
Does the Wand of Stone Shape count against me? (12,960) I'd sell it if it does.
Does the Wand of Stone Shape count against me? (12,960) I'd sell it if it does.
spellsight bracers-2100
what are those extra spells? scrolls?
Nah, wand can be party loot.
Voodoo, care to offer an estimate price on Karethas' bracers and Tempest as well as the gems/jewelry in the main treasure list? Once I have those numbers I can sketch out a distro.
Those are the spells I have bought above the two I receive at each level and the two times I took a spell for my favored class bonus.
Those are the spells I have bought above the two I receive at each level and the two times I took a spell for my favored class bonus.
I'm not going to count those for wealth.
Amir-failed perception check. look up.
bracers = 2100gp, Tempest Staff is the ONE big item = 16K.
Red Genie Seal- 10K
I'm moving again and dont have books handy, but sounds like I need to look up:
6 small rubies from House of the Beast
3 rubies from which statue?
and diamond circlet kakishon?
6 small rubies from House of the Beast
3 rubies from which statue?
and diamond circlet kakishon?
The rubies from the statue were pried from the eyes of the jackal goddess(?) statue when we were in the House of the Beast, near the final fight. Described as "large" we took the time to pry them out. Funny enough it was Karethas' idea (in case Kzrira wants to make a crack at me about being a thief :p)
I should just put the value of the gems up front b/c I have no idea now...
let's say 500 gp per ruby and 2000 for the circlet.
HEre is the deal...
If want to just split the loot:
+1 rapier 2320
+1 chain shirt 1250
tiara of alluring charisma +2 4000
6 small rubies (from gnoll lair) + 3 rubies from statue 3000
+1 Khopesh 2320
+1 Bronze Short Sword (Golnar) 2310
+1 Breastplate 1350
+2 Belt of Str 4000
+2 bracers of armor 4000
+1 flaming burst scimitar 32315
Ring of the Ram 8600
Golden Circlet with Diamond 2000
+2 Ring of Protection 8000
That equals 75465/4 = 18866.25 ea
However, if we want everyone to be at an equal weatlh, then distro would be like this:
Amir 21243
Varkata 21087
Karethas 15067
Kzrira 18068
The above number basically takes each of our big items out of the equation, assesses what we accounted for above, and then nets us to 42558 gp wealth each.
Obviously I get more money in this scenario so I abstain from the decision making process.
EDIT:
I assumed we would be keeping the following items as team treasure:
Fleece of the Golden Ram
Healing Horn of the Ram (2 Uses Remain)
2 Potions of Bless
3 potions of Clw
Potion of Tongues
Red Seal Gem
I'm ok with the split where Amir gets more. I'm using the fleece because, besides the spells, it also is a +3 cloak of resistance. So that should be figured in my total which is what I put on my itemization above. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't short changing you guys.
I'm totally fine with Amir getting more than the rest of us. I mean, ideally, I'd be able to upgrade shield and armour, but that's pretty much it.