Harlot's Heroes

Game Master Alexander Scott

Bound to the succubus Lux by her profane gifts, the PCs work towards her insidious goals whilst maintaining the facade of heroes.


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ProfPotts wrote:

Eugen's looking good! Just a few points:

Trait bonuses don't stack, so his Sleight-of-Hand should be +10 (+12 to steal things).
With the two archetypes (which are both cool, BTW) he's got his two prohibited schools (enchantment and illusion) from the Thassilonian archetype, plus an opposition school from the Pact Bound archetype - so you'll need to list what that is (abjuration, divination, evocation or necromancy).
For his cantrips, he only starts play with the Core rulebook cantrips (so no spark, scrivener's chant, grasp, etc) minus those from his prohibited and opposition schools.
I'm not sure where he's getting a +1 natural armour bonus from? Is that an artifact of a different familiar choice maybe?
Unless I'm missing something, he's not proficient with the weapons he's got listed, so you may want to rethink those.

Background-wise, it'd make sense if the spellbook he 'acquired' was written in the Thassilonian magic style - hence his archetype there. Assuming his familiar is ultimately going to be a Quasit (based on the fact that it's Lux doing the recruiting here) it may also be interesting if his familiar was originally the Quasit familiar of the chap he killed to get the book. Quasits are usually formed from part of the soul of the mage who first calls them as a familiar, and try to take their master's soul to the Abyss when that master dies, but if that fails they get stuck in the mortal world. Due to the funkiness of the Pact Bound archetype it could be that when Eugen first killed the chap and got his hands on the book he ended up in a confrontation with the dead chap's familiar... only for Lux to reveal herself as being more than the cute orphan girl she first met Eugen as - she'd then 'mediate' an agreement between Eugen and the familiar (which results - for a few levels, at least - with it being reduced to its current form). How's that sound?

I completely forgot to get rid of his old familiar bonus (the +1 na), didn't remember about the trait bonuses (although the base +11 is right, +1 trait+1 rank+3 class+3 dex+3 familiar), and forgot that wizards don't get proficiency with all simple weapons. I also wrote up his spellbook before actually giving him the pact wizard archetype. Doh. I guess that's what happens when I try to write a character so late at night.

What you suggest familiar wise sounds like it meshes up with my rough idea for Eugen's history with Lux and how he got his familiar. I am indeed planning to for a quasit, while not the most powerful improved familiar, it is the most thematically appropriate one.

Two questions, however;
Fist, to really emphasize him getting most of his magic from inadvisable deals with powers beyond mortal comprehension, would you object to Eugen also taking the other pact wizard archetype, from Haunted Hero's Handbook (it does stack)? It seems a bit to powerful for arguably the best class in the game in normal circumstances, but I do think it quite fits. Given two completely banned schools in Enchantment and illusion, and necromancy as an opposed school, Eugen's versatility is getting a bit limited, and the HHH pact wizard both gives him a handful of extra spells, and further emphasizes his reckless grabbing for power with the half strength oracle curse at fifth (it also gets rid of scribe scroll, which I have no interest in). I'm planning on going for an arcane trickster, so the 10th/15th/20th level abilities won't matter even if we do reach that level Also I find saying thassilonian specialist pact wizard pact wizard wizard highly entertaining.

Second, would Lux at this point have given any indication of having a greater demonic patron? Given that this is an evil game, I have some interest in possibly taking fiendish obediance (can't take the demoniac prc, it requires enchantment spells for soem reason), but I think that Lux may object to him seeking to work directly with a bigger player than her.


Oh gosh, I have a lazy-arse who would be great for this. Sloth made me laugh too hard to not try something,

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Eugen: Tacking on the other Pack Wizard archetype would be fine, although keep in mind that the Patron Spells feature won't allow him to bypass his prohibition on Enchantment and Illusion spells from his Thassilonian Specialist archetype - so try to choose a patron theme which avoids spells of that type.

If you're looking for a Demonic patron, then Nocticula would be the way to go, as she's 'the first succubus' and Victor already has her as his patron - two PCs devoted to two different Demonic Lords would cause too much friction, to be honest - Demonic politics being what it is...


ProfPotts wrote:

Eugen: Tacking on the other Pack Wizard archetype would be fine, although keep in mind that the Patron Spells feature won't allow him to bypass his prohibition on Enchantment and Illusion spells from his Thassilonian Specialist archetype - so try to choose a patron theme which avoids spells of that type.

If you're looking for a Demonic patron, then Nocticula would be the way to go, as she's 'the first succubus' and Victor already has her as his patron - two PCs devoted to two different Demonic Lords would cause too much friction, to be honest - Demonic politics being what it is...

Hmm. On a closer look both pact wizard archetypes are rather pointless with this character, as he's planning to go arcane trickster he won't be hitting a wizard level above 3 for quite a while. The FF one wouldn't give it's priamry ebnefit until 19th level, and the HHH oen would onyl give a single extra spell in Eugen's spellbook until 15th. I think I'll just stick with pure thassilonian specialist, if that's all right. I can pick up the Improved Familiar feat, and RP the rest.

Hmm. Noticula's not terrible, as demon lords go, her obediance is "just" "Ingest a dose of psychedelic plants or fungi and engage in any number of sexual acts (either alone or with others), during which at least a pint of blood must be shed." Eugen's not currently particularly interested or experienced in carnal pleasures, but given the rather sexed up party he's likely going to be surrounded by them, and hey, what's the point something that he can't have?

Am I okay for participating in the gameplay thread?
Eugenw as distracted by his discovery of a fine set of jewelry (antique, faux Garundian, mimics a style dating back to the Sixth Army of exploration, likely about 30-40 years old) on the side of the road after helping a poor old noblewoman find her dog. He's sure Lux will understand.
1d20 + 12 ⇒ (11) + 12 = 23

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Eugen: that looks fine - obviously just update your sheet to reflect the changes you've gone with, please.

Eugen can enter now - although he'll have missed Lux at the meeting... Whether anyone else is there or not will just depend on the order people post stuff in.

Welcome aboard!

Okay folks, I'm afraid that five's my limit here (any more and it'll be a pain adjusting all the stuff I've planned out so far...). Thanks again for all the interest!

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