GM Endless Forms' PFS 04-09 The Blakros Matrimony (Inactive)

Game Master Mike Tuholski

@Maaarv: whoops, you're right

U2 Ref: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (19) + 3 = 22
U3 Ref: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (20) + 3 = 23
Olaf Fort: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (13) + 8 = 21

Tomoe steps back and inspires her allies!

Meg charges forward!

U2 AoO handaxe: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (10) + 7 = 17
damage: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (4) + 4 = 8

U3 AoO handaxe: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (9) + 7 = 16
damage: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (1) + 4 = 5

She then cuts into Olaf!

Jaysin puts an arrow into one of the Ulfen left out in the open!

Initiative:

1. Maaarv
2. Ulfen Raiders
3. Jaysin, Meg, Matteo, and Tomoe
4. Olaf

O: 27 dmg
U1: 14 dmg
U2: 3 dmg
U3: 3 dmg

Matteo is up!

Sorry to keep you guys waiting... Lately I have been working 12+ hour days, because my manager keeps scheduling me for the day shift, but my usual supervisor that works nights needs me on the night shift... Which means while you guys are all posting, I am working lol

Also, I noticed Michellia is not on the init list... does this mean that as far as we can tell she is currently a noncombatant? I am going to keep Matteo's damage roll... But going to do other stuff too since he has a full round

Move Action: Move 30'
Swift Action: Expend 1 Arcane Reservoir Point to add Toppling Spell to magic missile
Standard Action: Cast magic missile with Toppling Spell at Olaf
for 21 damage.

Toppling Spell trip: 1d20 + 15 ⇒ (15) + 15 = 30 I assumed that since I cast magic missile at CL 9, I would use that CL for the check, rather than mine which is CL 7... If I am wrong, which I couldn't find anything that said otherwise, so if there is please tell me, then subtract 2 from this result. This is a trip vs Olaf's CMD

Matteo moves toward the waterline, attempting to cut off Michellia's escape. While she hasn't acted in a hostile manner, it is unclear to Matteo whether or not she is an enemy. Once in position, he casts magic missile at the leader of the Ulfen, sending 5 icy bolts at the man, which slam into him attempting to knock him off of his feet.

@Matteo: no problem!

Also, yes, Michellia is hunkering down by the boat and not fighting. And that sounds right to me RE: CL.

Matteo's magic missiles hit Olaf in the chest and knock him to the ground!

Enraged and foaming at the mouth, Olaf swings his greataxe at Meg from the ground.

+1 greataxe power attack, prone, flanking, surprise accuracy: 1d20 + 10 - 2 - 4 + 2 + 2 ⇒ (19) + 10 - 2 - 4 + 2 + 2 = 27
damage: 1d12 + 8 + 6 ⇒ (6) + 8 + 6 = 20

Initiative:

1. Maaarv
2. Ulfen Raiders
3. Jaysin, Meg, Matteo, and Tomoe
4. Olaf

O: 48 dmg, prone
U1: 14 dmg
U2: 3 dmg
U3: 3 dmg

Maaarv is up!

Maaarv takes a step backwards from the ulfen man. He looks to his side and sees the two other ulfens on their own on the beach. "Your turn!"

He mixes up another Frost Bomb and tosses the explosive at Ulfen 1.

Frost Bomb + PBS + Insp. Courage: 1d20 + 6 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (8) + 6 + 1 + 1 = 16
Cold Damage + PBS + Insp. Courage: 2d6 + 3 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (6, 3) + 3 + 1 + 1 = 14

Splash Damage is 7. DC 15 Fort save for U1 or he is staggered for one round.

Maaarv tosses another bomb, hitting the Ulfen square in the chest!

U1 Fort: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (5) + 7 = 12
U2 Ref: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (6) + 2 = 8

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Enraged at Maaarv, the first Ulfen stumbles behind him. The second moves up to take the flank, swinging his axe.

mwk handaxe, flank: 1d20 + 7 + 2 ⇒ (9) + 7 + 2 = 18
damage: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (2) + 4 = 6

The third Ulfen slashes at Meg!

mwk handaxe, flank: 1d20 + 7 + 2 ⇒ (16) + 7 + 2 = 25
damage: 1d6 + 4 ⇒ (2) + 4 = 6

Initiative:

1. Maaarv
2. Ulfen Raiders
3. Jaysin, Meg, Matteo, and Tomoe
4. Olaf

O: 48 dmg, prone
U1: 28 dmg, staggered one round
U2: 10 dmg
U3: 3 dmg

Jaysin, Meg, Matteo, and Tomoe are up!

Tomoe speaks some arcane words, gesturing at the Ulfen between Maarv and Talsin. Hideous laughter DC 17

Taking a quick 5' step back, Jaysin will fire two projectiles at the man nearest him!

RS1: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (18) + 7 = 25 for Damage: 1d8 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8
RS2: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (15) + 7 = 22 for Damage: 1d8 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8

Matteo, realizing the bride is not attempting escape, moves 10 feet forward and shoots two blue rays of fire at Olaf.

Scorching Ray 1: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (20) + 5 = 25 Crit threat
Damage 1: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 6, 5, 1) = 13
Crit Confirm: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (15) + 5 = 20 Probably confirmed vs touch AC, prone target
Crit Damage: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 4, 2) = 13 If confirmed
Scorching Ray 2: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (20) + 5 = 25 Lol, crit threat again
Damage 2: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 1, 6, 4) = 14
Crit Confirm: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (9) + 5 = 14 Maybe confirmed vs touch ac, prone target
Crit Damage: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 4, 5) = 14 If confirmed. If everything confirms, that's a total of 51 damage... more damage than I have ever done with a spell!

Meg's breathing turns heavy from the blows she's taken, but her hands glow with a warm light, which quickly spreads over her body with divine healing.

Swift Action Self Lay on Hands: 2d6 ⇒ (1, 2) = 3

Using my Beneficent Touch trait to reroll that 1...

Reroll: 1d6 ⇒ 6

Newly reinvigorated, she whirls away from Olaf's scorched body and lashes out with her sword at the closest man flanking Maaarv (U2) with a flourish.

Power Attack!: 1d20 + 9 + 2 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 9 + 2 + 1 = 14
Damage: 1d6 + 10 + 1 ⇒ (5) + 10 + 1 = 16

Edit: Dang, I'm guessing after the double crit, I won't need to deal with Olaf...changed my post to assume that Olaf is no longer a problem.

Uh i forgot to say, Tomoe is still holding her inspire courage as a free action, so everything +1. Except the healing of course.

Bah! I forgot that also. My arrows do 9 each then.

U1 Will: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (4) + 3 = 7

Tomoe tells a joke to one of the men and he falls to the ground in side-splitting laughter.

Jaysin then knocks the man out with two quick arrows.

With two jets of arcane energy, Matteo kills Olaf!

Meg swings at one of the remaining men but misses.

The remaining two men throw their axes down and raise their hands in the air. "All righ'!" they shout in surrender.

Out of combat?

Meg lowers her scimitar, and the small amount of blood on the magical blade easily shakes off into the sand before she sheathes it again. She levels an angry gaze at them. "Stay right there! We will spare you, but there is no reason for you to be so mean!" She turns to Michellia. "Michellia, what is going on here? What's all this business about your sister, and why did these men attack us?" Meg asks, sounding confused and hurt.

Allright, let´s gather their weapons and tie them up just for security reasons. She takes a silken rope out of her backpack and humming a melody ties it around breast, arms, hands and necks of the remaining Ulfen in artistic patterns, one after another, so that they are all on the leash in a row (Escape DC 24). While humming she asks Can anyone pull the rope there a bit so it fits tighter please? 4/14 rounds of bardic music used today.
After that is done, she turns to Michellia and Meg
Yeah, Michellia, tell us what´s going on!

Having defeated Olaf and his raiders, the party moves to Michellia to discover what has been going on. Passing nearer the boat, you notice a large suspicious bundle of blankets and clothes, inside of which rests the unconscious Michellia stripped of her wedding dress and put into a drab sleeping gown. "Now wait just a minute. . . " the impostor intercedes.

After bringing Michellia back to consciousness (someone can/will provide healing I assume?), Michellia looks at the girl in her wedding dress and begins to tear up. "Eleanir! How could you?! What were you thinking?"

The real Michellia turns to you and pleads, "Oh, please don't kill her. Eleanir is still my sister, even if she is rotten. Thank you though! Thank you so much for saving me!"

Meg quickly jumps in the boat and lays a hand on the real Michellia's forehead, and the same warm light pulses through her.

Lay on Hands: 2d6 ⇒ (3, 1) = 4

As Michellia tears up, Meg hugs her, then holds her hands comfortingly. "Of course we won't kill your sister! But I still don't understand why she would do this."

Anyone mind if Meg drinks that cure mod. potion?

Go for it, Meg.

Maaarv watches the events unfold. "Wow. So, uh... what do we do with Eleanir?"

Maaarv scratches the back of his neck as he thinks out loud. "I mean, you know... this is bad - it could really be a, uh, scandal - you know?"

The alchemist addresses Eleanir, "Why would you do this? I mean - don't you think the groom would notice? It just doesn't seem very well thought-out, is all I'm saying."

Diplomacy: 1d20 ⇒ 16

Jayson simply stands guard over the fallen would-be kidnappers, hoping that the party can determine what, exactly, is going on. Who are these men? Who do they work for? You? Someone else?

Matteo has his eye on that potion of fly...

"What do the Ulfen want with your sister Eleanir? They are quite far from home."

"Oh, but it was thought out!" Eleanir exclaims. "We're identical and we've been pretending to be each other since we were little kids. I know Damian well enough and he'd never know the difference. Meanwhile, Olaf," she tears up a little as she looks at his lifeless form, "wanted a worthy wife and, well, Michellia suited his interests and Olaf promised she'd stay quiet once they were gone. He wouldn't have mistreated you!" Eleanir reassures Michellia as the newly-wed sister glares from the boat. "But I thought you would have grown to love him! He was actually a very sweet man! It was all our plan. And these are some of Olaf's clanmen that just came along to help. Please, don't hurt them any more than you already have! Oh, poor Olaf!"

Meg steps over to Olaf's body, then utters a short prayer before removing a small bag from his belt, filled with conveniently labeled potions. (At least, I'm assuming they are, since you told us what they were without spellcraft checks.) She drinks the healing potion, and feels the cuts, bruises, and fatigue from the battle lift from her.

Potion of Cure Mod. Wounds: 2d8 + 3 ⇒ (2, 1) + 3 = 6 I just cannot roll my heals well...

Afterward, Meg approaches Eleanir, stepping close to her with a serious expression. "Love and marriage are very serious things. You can't just take Michellia's place and expect to ship her off with a man she's never met, no matter how sweet he may have been. That's not how love works. What you have done, what you were planning, they are unacceptable. But you can be redeemed, and you can learn the true meaning of love, I know it!" Meg says with a sad smile. "For now, though, I think we need to take you to the guards, and they can watch you and Olaf's men until they can take you back to Absalom for a trial." She turns to Michellia. "Does that sound reasonable to you, Michellia?"

Maaarv notices that Meg, though she has consumed the healing potion, is still badly wounded. He steps forward and flicks his wrist, producing a wand from his spring-loaded sheath.

As the paladin finishes offering Eleanir the chance to set things right, Maaarv will lightly tap Meg with the wand, hoping to bring her back to full strength.

2 CLW: 2d8 + 2 ⇒ (5, 8) + 2 = 15

"There, that should, uh, help."

"Michellia... are you hurt?"

I don't believe there is much choice, however we should likely inform Lady Blakros of what has happened here before making a big scene. Jaysin says to Meg as she turns to Michellia. We should return quickly before anyone else notices that we and the bride are missing.

Tomoe stares at Meg in disbelieve and bites her lip.

Ehm, allright. I suggest we get Michellia back into the wedding dress and cover this thing here up. No need to disturb the wedding. We bring the Ulfen and the sister somewhere a bit off.

Matteo either you or Maarv take the fly potion. But that makes on blur on me later ;)

I do like the idea of raining down alchemical death from above, but Matteo has a much better bonus to his Fly skill than Maaarv does, so he can take it.

"Yes, perhaps discretion is the best, Tomoe. Getting Michellia back quietly gives us the best chance of, you know... smoothing things over with, hopefully, uh - little fuss."

Meg flashes Maaarv a smile for the wand assistance. She nods at the others' suggestions. "Well, we wouldn't want to put a damper on the party."

Matteo seems bored and annoyed at this whole thing.

The fickle worries of nobles... How I yearn for adventure the likes of Thornkeep!

"Olaf attacked. I attacked back." is his only response to the Ulfen man's death.

"Seeing as our mission is to keep things going smoothly, why don't I use a spell to turn our friends here invisible? Do not worry, I also have a spell that will allow us to see them, so that they cannot escape. This will allow us to get them to Lady Blackros without a fuss." Matteo whispers to his companions.

Smiling at Matteo Tomoe says Certainly amusing, but i don´t think we need to go to such lenghts. Let´s just drop them off at the mercenaries and inform the groom.

The party helps Michellia back into her dress and spends some time cleaning her up and fixing her hair. Eleanir and the Ulfen men will willingly come along with you and you can drop them off with some of the mercenaries.

As you near the pavilion to rejoin the party and find Hamaria and the groom, however, a guard takes to the stage at the pavilion and announces in a strangely deep and ominous voice, "I am Arastrax of the Onyx Alliance! I have you surrounded and will soon feast on your souls! None shall live to escape Pariol Island!"

Screaming erupts from elsewhere on the island and the sound of combat is heard some ways off as, no doubt, the mercenaries begin to battle some unseen threat.

Demons pour into the pavilion, mainly dretches, quasits, and babaus. Most of these focus on the crowd, but Arastrax-clearly some sort of demon that has possessed the poor guard-is mostly focused on the combat-ready adventurers who just rejoined the party. . .

Two emaciated figures with horns burst in and begin casting spells. One of them puts the room into darkness.

Initiative:

1. Babau Demons
2. Meg, Matteo, and Maaarv
3. Arastrax/Alistair
4. Tomoe and Jaysin

Meg, Matteo, and Maaarv are up!

Use the Pariol Island link for the map for this combat.

Babaus:

Arastrax:

Spellcraft vs. 17: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (7) + 9 = 16
Spellcraft vs. 18: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (17) + 9 = 26

"One of those things is summoning more demons!" Maaarv cries out, unable to tell for certain which one it is.

With the inability to see anything, Maaarv draws and drinks his mutagen, making him much more dexterous, but a little more foolhardy in his actions.

Mutagen gives +2 Nat Armor, +4 Dex, -2 Wis. I'll note the changes in the runner.

What is the area affected by the darkness, and what is the light level currently?

The darkness is in a 20' radius from B1. I'll try to note it on the map. That area is dark (regular dark, not supernaturally dark).

Tomoe is jumping on the table next to her and loosening an arrow on the ugly babau she can see and assumes is casting a spell.
Arrow: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (18) + 9 = 271d6 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6

As the right side of the room is plunged into darkness, and Meg with it, she steps to the left in hopes of finding the light again. She emerges, and seeing only the one horned fiend, runs over to it, drawing her sword. "You shall regret this intrusion, monster! Feel the power of Shelyn's light!"

Smite Evil on B2
Power Attack!: 1d20 + 9 + 4 ⇒ (15) + 9 + 4 = 28
Damage: 1d6 + 10 + 10 ⇒ (1) + 10 + 10 = 21 The extra 10 assumes that this is an evil outsider.

I can't seem to move myself next to B2. Probably I lack permission or something to change the map?

I'm sorry, is the light level now darkness, or dim light?

Spellcraft: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (10) + 16 = 26
Spellcraft: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (15) + 16 = 31
KnowPlanes(Babau): 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (19) + 12 = 31
KnowPlanes Atastrax: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (4) + 12 = 16

"Those babaus resist spells! They are weak to cold iron and goodness! Don't use anything elemental!"

Fear almost grips Matteo as he faces a group of powerful foes. He fires a series of icy blue missiles at the guard (or B2 if the Arastraxas has total concealment),using arcane reserves to attempt to knock him down.

Spell Resistance: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (20) + 9 = 29 Again, assuming I use CL 9 since that is the CL of the spell
Magic Missile CL 9: 5d4 + 5 ⇒ (1, 4, 1, 2, 4) + 5 = 17
Toppling Spell: 1d20 + 9 + 6 ⇒ (20) + 9 + 6 = 35 Wow, I have been rolling a lot of 20's...

Whoops, sorry! Made it so you guys can edit that map now.

The light level within the black squares on the map is darkness. It is later in the day so everything else is dim light.

Maaarv gulps down a mutagen!

DC 34 concentration check: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (12) + 7 = 19

Meg smites the babau to the left and cuts into it! It loses concentration on its spell!

Meg needs a DC 18 Ref save or her weapon takes 1d8 ⇒ 6 acid damage from the babau's protective slime. If this exceeds the weapon's hardness, the weapon gains the broken condition (-2 attack and damage).*

Matteo blasts the guard with magic missiles and puts him prone on the stage!

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The guard crawls off the stage and joins the babau cloaked in darkness. Suddenly that area of the room becomes even darker. now the black outlines are supernaturally dark.

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Tomoe then puts a spell into the demon Meg just assaulted but doesn't seem to do any damage to it.

Initiative:

1. Babau Demons
2. Meg, Matteo, and Maaarv
3. Arastrax/Alistair
4. Tomoe and Jaysin

B1:
B2: 21 dmg
Ar:
Al: 17 dmg, prone

Jaysin is up!

Jaysin will fire two arrows at the enemy he can still see! I assume that I have to fire through cover since Meg is in my LoS from what I can tell.

RS1: 1d20 + 8 - 4 ⇒ (10) + 8 - 4 = 14 for Damage: 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6
RS2: 1d20 + 8 - 4 ⇒ (4) + 8 - 4 = 8 for Damage: 1d8 + 3 ⇒ (5) + 3 = 8

Get out of the way, woman, unless you want an arrow in your backside!

Tomoe jumps out of the way so Jaysin gets a clear shot and starts to encourage everyone.

Inspire Courage +1

GM please read the spoiler below.

Ok, I was unaware that energy attacks only did half damage to objects. I also thought energy damage didn't have to break through hardness. But I stand corrected. So yeah, the acid can't break through Meg's magical weapon so we won't worry about that.

Jaysin fires arrows at the demon but misses!

Suddenly the babau in the darkness pops over behind Meg!

The babau in front of her attacks!

claw: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (12) + 12 = 24
damage: 1d6 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8

claw: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (10) + 12 = 22
damage: 1d6 + 5 ⇒ (2) + 5 = 7

bite: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (6) + 12 = 18
damage: 1d6 + 2 ⇒ (3) + 2 = 5

Initiative:

1. Babau Demons
2. Meg, Matteo, and Maaarv
3. Arastrax/Alistair
4. Tomoe and Jaysin

B1:
B2: 21 dmg
Ar:
Al: 17 dmg, prone

Meg, Matteo, and Maaarv are up!

If the non-magically dark squares are dim light, that means there's a 20% miss chance for attacks. We can just track that going forward. c:

As Meg is momentarily distracted by the babau popping up behind her, the first one take the opportunity to swing its filthy claw toward her face. Its sharp point comes within inches of Meg's exposed eye, but is deflected by a spark of golden light, as are its other claw and biting mouth. Meg allows herself a small smile. "No foul beast is gonna beat me today!" She takes but a moment in pray for the other demon's destruction, then lays into her would be attacker with her blade, encouraged by Tomoe's rallying cries.
Smite Evil on B1

Power Attack on B2: 1d20 + 9 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (17) + 9 + 4 + 1 = 31
Damage: 1d6 + 10 + 10 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 10 + 10 + 1 = 22
Miss Chance: 1d100 ⇒ 1

"Did I hear someone say 'no elemental attacks'?" Maaarv asks of nobody in particular.

"Dear me..."

He stumbles forward through the thick darkness - moving towards the sound of battle. He manages to make his way next to Tomoe. He moves around her and sticks close to the wall.

"Here goes nothin'..."

He quickly mixes up a frost bomb, hoping to at least stagger one of the demons flanking Meg. Attacking B1.

Frost Bomb + PBS: 1d20 + 6 + 1 ⇒ (3) + 6 + 1 = 10
Cold Damage + PBS: 2d6 + 3 + 1 ⇒ (3, 4) + 3 + 1 = 11

Character Folio Attack Re-Roll: 1d20 + 7 + 1 ⇒ (20) + 7 + 1 = 28

Crit. Chance?: 1d20 + 7 + 1 ⇒ (19) + 7 + 1 = 27
Crit Damage: 1d6 + 3 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 3 + 1 = 8

Miss Chance (High is Good): 1d100 ⇒ 64

Edit: So, 19 Cold Damage before resistances, assuming the 27 to touch hits.

Even with Cold Resist, the demon still needs to make a DC 15 Fort save if the bomb hits, or be staggered for 1 round.

Oh, and my Precise Bombs discovery keeps Meg from taking any splash damage.

Meg swings and misses!

Maaarv tosses a bomb into the mis but it doesn't seem to hurt the demon that much!

Initiative:

1. Babau Demons
2. Meg, Matteo, and Maaarv
3. Arastrax/Alistair
4. Tomoe and Jaysin

B1: 9 dmg
B2: 21 dmg
Ar:
Al: 17 dmg, prone

Matteo is up!

Seeing Meg flanked, Matteo attempts to knock B1 prone, as he can no longer see the guard.
Move 10 feet, spend arcan point, cast magic missile with Toppling Spell

Spell Resistance: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (16) + 9 = 25
Damage: 5d4 + 5 ⇒ (1, 2, 2, 1, 2) + 5 = 13
Toppling Spell: 1d20 + 15 ⇒ (8) + 15 = 23

Matteo uses a set of magic missiles to knock one of the demons prone!

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The guard casts a spell from the darkness and suddenly a tenuous black cloud bursts in the corner of the room, hitting everyone including the two demons.

fire damage: 10d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, 6, 3, 1) = 23

DC 19 Ref for half damage.

Then, DC 19 Will save to disbelieve. If you disbelieve you only take 20% damage of what you would normally take.

Ref: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (6) + 6 = 12
Will: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (9) + 5 = 14

Ref: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (13) + 6 = 19
Will: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (9) + 5 = 14

The demons don't seem terribly hurt by the blast of shadowy heat.

Initiative:

1. Babau Demons
2. Meg, Matteo, and Maaarv
3. Arastrax/Alistair
4. Tomoe and Jaysin

B1: 35 dmg, prone
B2: 22 dmg
Ar:
Al: 17 dmg, prone

Tomoe and Jaysin are up!

Reflex Save: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (3) + 9 = 12
Will Save: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (14) + 5 = 19 Guess 20% from 23 are 5 damage.

After flinching from the pain that came with the black cloud Tomoe lays 5 arrows on the table next to her, calling to Jaysin:
Here take those, might work better!5 arrows with cold iron weapon blanche, drawing as a free action.
Then she takes out a scroll from her scrollcase and casts it on herself. Darkvision on self.
All the while she finds encouraging words for her peers.
Inspire Courage +1

Reflex Save: 1d20 + 11 ⇒ (4) + 11 = 15
Will Save: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (15) + 7 = 22

Actually, it's only 4. 23/5=4.6, which rounds down to 4.

Reflex: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (1) + 8 = 9
Will: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (20) + 2 = 22

So, if we fail the reflex, we can still attempt the will save?