I wouldHey, Pavanna? "If anything, I’m the one who occasionally dabbles in being tied up so people can ‘have their way with me’"... you're lucky Spoony wasn't around to hear that :PHmmm... Should I take advantage of this fact? Hmmm...
Horatio totally would, and you all damn well know it.
Green Mother of the woods, eh Salsa?
Green Mother of the woods, eh Salsa?
Yes, though maybe not for the reasons you think. >:)
Just got to the cabin. Signal seems stable enough that I should be able to keep up with the posting. I'll have something up tomorrow. :)
Just got to the cabin. Signal seems stable enough that I should be able to keep up with the posting. I'll have something up tomorrow. :)
Yippe! You have no idea how happy I am about this!
What are we learning here? Spoony is a sucker for a pretty face, even when the face isn't entirely human... Oh man, there's no way this can end well.
I've been reading all the spoilers (naughty me) and I must say the Pavanna/Asuriel situation is fantastic to read. Well done you two. :)
(Not that anyone's is bad, I'm just particularly enjoying theirs. )
Yeah, I'm enjoying that one, too. Ah man.
We've each been Salsafied! C'mon, who doesn't read everyone spoilers? We're human - it's too tempting NOT to do it!
:)
Unfortunately for Pavanna, Asuriel's clouded recollection of these events are going to not work to favor our relationship. Pavanna threw Asuriel down on her own weapon and attempted to cut her heart out and drown her in the river. If not for her prayer to Sarenrae for an emissary to reach down from above to save Asuriel from the demonic Pavanna, all would have lost!
Oh boy, this is going to get messy.
Oh boy, this is going to get messy.
Is there any other way?
I'm going to have to restrain a pretty lady, aren't I?
I'm going to have to restrain a pretty lady, aren't I?
Possibly three, and a bear, don't forget about the bear.
If you are referring to Asuriel, I think she pretty effectively has restrained herself. I'm curious if Pavanna is going to cure her and get her on her feet or leave her down. I suppose the poop is about to meet the fan here sometime soon.
Oh yes, and it's going to do it in a pretty spectacular way. (I hope anyway.)
Past, Salsa. Waiting on a reply. :p
To my fellow Americans, I wish you all a happy Independence Day.
To everyone else, Hope you have a good Friday.
Same to you sir!
Happy... er... Saturday. >.>
(As of half an hour ago here.)
Happy Independence Day! :)
Okay, I have some good news and bad news. Bad news, I was in an accident this morning that likely totaled my car. I lost control on I-65 on my way to Birmingham AL while trying to avoid rear-ending a pickup in front of me. My car is likely toast.
The good news, I am okay, I'm going to feel like I got hit by the truck, but I am okay. Unfortunately, I'll need to pause the game until I can get things squared away. Hopefully, I'll have the game rolling in a week.
Sorry for the delay. :(
That is nothing to be sorry about. I'll still be here. You do what you must. :)
We'll be waiting for you, Mr. Salsa-Man. Glad you're okay!
What Ronnie said. ‘Any crunch you walk away from....’
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Stranded in woods; friends missing; monster in area; trying to help woman so blinded by anti-tiefling bigotry GOBLINS could outwit her. #FML
Bwahahahahaha! Well done, that amused me. Now I want to see more. :P
<3 I IT! Oh come on, you know you're having fun Pavvy!
...
...
Maybe.
On some level deep down within.
Well I am! :D
Didn't SalsaSalsaSalsa tell you why Asuriel was accepted into this party? There was not internal conflict and thus he wanted me to spruce things up a bit! :D
I didn't exactly plan things this way, just letting things playout as I see it. If it's getting to be too much for you OOC just drop me a PM and I'll try to move her off the Tiefling genocide path.
try
Oh come on, Horatio could have provided plenty of conflict, given time to grate. :P I'm sure there might still be a chance for him, given the fact that there are three beautiful women and one diamond-in-the-rough in the group... Poor lad's trying, for Pav's sake. But it's tough. ;-)
Pavanna being hungover, and thus inclined to be sharp-tongued, lets me indulge my own natural blunt/sarcastic tendencies, which does have a certain appeal. That said, right now all Asuriel’s continued irrationality is evoking in me is a fervent desire to head-desk until the stupid stops hurting. It almost feels like Asuriel can’t/won’t let this little vignette end in anything but a full-blown fight-to-permadeath — all over a threat that doesn’t exist outside of her paranoid delusions!
Intra-party personality clashes might be great for RP, but this is my first RP/campaign in over twenty years! PvP wasn’t my style back then, and I did not sign up to play it out now. :(
Look, The Rising Phoenix, I don’t know you outside of this game, and I have no particular opinion on you as a person one way or the other from your behaviour here; clearly, you’re playing to your conception of your character. Asuriel Arktaros has a semi-justified pathological terror of tieflings, and Pavanna Alazario is a tiefling. Fine enough, when there are other characters around to buffer things between your PC and mine.
The thing is, I chose to make Pavanna a tiefling mostly for the eventual contrast between her own life, raised by a loving mother into a relatively happy and well-adjusted young woman, and that of the aasimar Nualia Tobyn, who was thoroughly broken by her experiences. I don’t have a chip on my shoulder (at least that I know about), so I don’t know how to play/portray someone who does — and neither I nor Pavanna are equipped to deal with a PC who suffers psychotic episodes just because she finds herself alone with someone who has horns!
I do know that up until now, I’ve been having great fun playing Pavanna off of anyone who isn’t Asuriel. Pavanna forebearing in the face of Asuriel’s snippy remarks and petty injustices is enjoyable, too, because it’s an extension of Pavanna spending her whole life up to this point trying to demonstrate that fiendish blood does not give her a fiendish soul. But as IC as it may be for her, Asuriel’s current behaviour is just an exercise in frustration and exasperation — mostly exasperation for Pavanna as a character, and mostly frustration for me as a player trying to play Pavanna. Trying to RP Pavanna off of the madwoman Asuriel is portrayed as in this scene is not and can not be enjoyable for me. :(
This scene is not especially fun. Indeed, it’s simply getting old — rapidly.
And in all honesty, if Asuriel ever takes a swing at Pavanna with her scimitar — even in the throes of another bout of ‘OMG a tiefling!panic’ — it’ll be my cue to let the strike kill my character and walk away from the campaign. :(
@ DM-Salsa: I can understand why you might have wanted more intra-party tension to build off of, but this degree goes right against the grain for me. :(
Thanks for saying that and not letting those frustrations boil until detonation. I would hate to loose a player of your RP skill over this. Pavanna is one of the characters Olivius truly feels comfortable around right now, so loosing her (via losing you) would be very sad.
I will commend you both for an engaging interaction from the outside perspective. It has been very well written and fun to visualize.
and here I thought we were bonding Olivius.
I have not really been reading the interaction. guess I will have to catch up if I get the time.
We were. One more good beating and he should be nice and comfortable. :)
Right now it's more of a master-student thing, in my mind.
Wow, ok not what I expected. I'm glad I asked then. I apologize whole-hardheartedly for the frustration, this was not my intent at all. :( I do not want to take the fun of the game away from anyone, especially one of the established players of the group.
I was simply trying to follow the path from her previous horrific dealings with tieflings where she was tortured. Putting her alone with Pavanna set her off down a dark path. I will adjust her behaviors accordingly and stop the madness.
Again, I apologize if Asuriel's actions were driving you away from Pavanna. If you are considering stepping away I will instead withdraw Asuriel. I'm not going to force you out of a game you were in before I arrived.
Sorry :(
I know I'd hate to see either of you go, so I hope you can work this out as players and mature adults. Pleeeeeeeeeeeease? *sadface*
Wow, ok not what I expected. I'm glad I asked then. I apologize whole-hardheartedly for the frustration, this was not my intent at all. :( I do not want to take the fun of the game away from anyone, especially one of the established players of the group.
I was simply trying to follow the path from her previous horrific dealings with tieflings where she was tortured. Putting her alone with Pavanna set her off down a dark path. I will adjust her behaviors accordingly and stop the madness.
Again, I apologize if Asuriel's actions were driving you away from Pavanna. If you are considering stepping away I will instead withdraw Asuriel. I'm not going to force you out of a game you were in before I arrived.
Sorry :(
I appreciate the apology. And I’m not saying ‘leave’; I’m just asking you to dial it back a few notches. I figured you were looking for Asuriel to take a character-arc of seeing Pavanna in action and slowly realising that not all tieflings are utter bastards, processing her trauma and getting past her prejudice (and over herself) an inch at a time — all that classic ‘Hollywood buddy-movie’ stuff, y’know? And I’m okay with playing Pavanna’s part in that; certainly she has her own issues with how Asuriel has come across to her up to this point.
But from where I sit, it’s kind’a hard to see how that process is ever going to get started if Asuriel’s higher brain-functions blue-screen every time Pavanna comes into the room.
I figured you were looking for Asuriel to take a character-arc of seeing Pavanna in action and slowly realising that not all tieflings are utter bastards, processing her trauma and getting past her prejudice (and over herself) an inch at a time — all that classic ‘Hollywood buddy-movie’ stuff, y’know?
You're dead on with my planned approach. As silly as it sounds, my plan was to take Gimli and Legolas approach. Two race who start out far from fast friends but end up so eventually. My end-state actually has Pavanna as Asuriel's closest ally and friend due to the similarities they share. IC It's been what, two days? I had planned this transformation to take much longer than that to complete being as Asuriel has a lot to overcome from her past. As you say, seeing Pavanna in action and her actions in and outside of the party would eventually turn the tide and flip things around.
Being alone in the woods and an unfortunate roll of the dice changed that though, I hadn't planned this scene to play out like it has, but I was enjoying it from Asuriel's perspective because I thought it allowed us the opportunity for great 1 on 1 role-play. Since this isn't something you're enjoying though, I'll cut it off and have Asuriel snap out of it and wait for the rustle in the brush to materialize when Salsa returns.
Oh and for clarification purposes, I was joking when I mentioned that the GM asked me to add inter-party conflict - that was entirely my doing. I like a little conflict in the group in the beginning, I feel like it really helps build history and back story together - eventually everyone moving past it. Seems more realistic to me than throwing a group of seven strangers together and magically they all hold hands and skip down the street singing Kumbaya together. I also tend to try immerse myself into the character which is my post sometimes are a page long instead of a few characters. I have a tendency to go overboard I'm afraid.
But from where I sit, it’s kind’a hard to see how that process is ever going to get started if Asuriel’s higher brain-functions blue-screen every time Pavanna comes into the room
Well, luckily Asuriel is a figment of my imagination and I can change anything about her with some keystrokes. I'll adjust accordingly.
If I've offended anyone else here, let me know and I'll make further adjustments or drop her if necessary.
No real issues here, but I'm not a teifling. I expect some friction between us in the future that will be fun to overcome as a result of this spat, however. Olivius is a little like Asuriel in the binary mindset way, and this opposition of Pavanna will probably put his opinion of her somewhere near his opinion of Horatio. :)
(As a side note, El Ronza knows why Horatio is on Olivius's "Verbally Abuse" list, so we'll be working on resolving that over the next few levels. If I'm mistaken, El Ronza, let me know and I'll clarify)
As I said, if I don't have the party split into "Olivius is awesome" and "Olivius is a jerk" by level 3 I'll be disappointed. Then begins the process of making everyone into the best set of adventurers since the Iconics.
how about in the middle "Olivius is an Awesome Jerk"
Hey, if Horatio hasn't worked his way into a love triangle with some combination of PCs and NPCs by level 3, I'll be most unhappy with myself!
And no, I'm not entirely sure. I know in an alternate reality, he's asked a lot of questions that has put his standing with Olives pretty low, but I'm not entirely sure how the animosity began. Is it just a personality clash? Am I the fly in your soup, the pebble in your shoe? I'm not complaining; I just know our characters seem to rub each other the wrong way quite a bit. :D
boys, no need to fight over me, there's plenty of Noro for both of you
Somehow, Noro is simultaneously too much woman for Horatio to handle, and more of a man than he is. I don't know how. But she is. And I like it.
You're dead on with my planned approach. As silly as it sounds, my plan was to take Gimli and Legolas approach. Two race who start out far from fast friends but end up so eventually. My end-state actually has Pavanna as Asuriel's closest ally and friend due to the similarities they share. IC It's been what, two days? I had planned this transformation to take much longer than that to complete being as Asuriel has a lot to overcome from her past. As you say, seeing Pavanna in action and her actions in and outside of the party would eventually turn the tide and flip things around.
Being alone in the woods and an unfortunate roll of the dice changed that though, I hadn't planned this scene to play out like it has, but I was enjoying it from Asuriel's perspective because I thought it allowed us the opportunity for great 1 on 1 role-play. Since this isn't something you're enjoying though, I'll cut it off and have Asuriel snap out of it and wait for the rustle in the brush to materialize when Salsa returns.
Oh and for clarification purposes, I was joking when I mentioned that the GM asked me to add inter-party conflict - that was entirely my doing. I like a little conflict in the group in the beginning, I feel like it really helps build history and back story together - eventually everyone moving past it. Seems more realistic to me than throwing a group of seven strangers together and magically they all hold hands and skip down the street singing Kumbaya together. I also tend to try immerse myself into the character which is my post sometimes are a page long instead of a few characters. I have a tendency to go overboard I'm afraid.
I see where you’re coming from, especially on the team-building value of some initial friction, and I agree with the longer time-frame being more realistic. It’s just that you took it a little OTT.
I feel I need to add that having to deal with an irrational and (seemingly) willfully obstructionist character... IRL, I’m in the service industry, so I get more than my fill of dumb people in the line of duty. Believe me, I long to smack some of them. If I’d been in Pavanna’s shoes during this little side-trip, I’d’ve probably started throwing punches (or worse) somewhere before this last time Asuriel started hurling accusatory rants in Infernal. The fact that both I and Pavanna realised that all that violence would have accomplished was a reinforcement of Asuriel’s pre-existing biases and paranoid delusions was a major contributor to my vexation as a player. :-S
Add that to Pavanna’s hangover shortening her temper, and the fact that from word one dealing with Asuriel has been an exercise in trying to do her duty as a team-mate/comrade despite, in the words of Malcolm Reynolds “[getting] nothing but trouble ... not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character....”
I know that I keep harping on Pavanna’s being a soldier, and I imagine it’s getting a little tired, but it’s absolutely fundamental to who she is — and one of the overriding imperatives of being a soldier is that you look out for the welfare of your team-mates above your own, fight to defend them, even die to protect them if need-be. Whether or not you like your team-mates — or hate their g*~&$#n guts — is completely beside the point. Asuriel is now a team-mate, and Pavanna is doing everything she can to treat her as such, despite Miss Snooty’s racist BS and holier-than-thou attitude. The fact that Asuriel can not or will not recognise and respect that this obligation to her team-mates’ well-being is one of the central pillars of who Pavanna is is simply driving her up the wall, and that’s even more fuel for her exasperation and desire to slap a b+&%#.
And yet, this is all happening while they’re out in the field, where mortal danger could be lurking behind every bush (and quite possibly is, judging by the GM’s post before his prang), so fighting each other would not only be counter-productive, it would also divide them and leave them vulnerable at a juncture where working together and forming a solid common defensive front might be their only chance of survival. More exasperation, more anger — more need to clobber someone.
And no, I'm not entirely sure. I know in an alternate reality, he's asked a lot of questions that has put his standing with Olives pretty low, but I'm not entirely sure how the animosity began. Is it just a personality clash? Am I the fly in your soup, the pebble in your shoe? I'm not complaining; I just know our characters seem to rub each other the wrong way quite a bit. :D
Olivius is much like Pavanna at his core. He is a Soldier, though trained in a school at the complete opposite side of the Good/Evil axis. Horatio is everything that a soldier isn't. Loud, flirty, fake, non-committal. His very mannerisms grate on Olivius like nails on a chalkboard. Thus the continuous accusations of being a "Limp-Wrist" (meaning untrained, weak, a liability). As further evidenced in the other game, Olivius sees Horatio as a liability, and liabilities get you killed. Olivius is doing his best not to correct Horatio's behavior the way he himself was corrected at the Academy. (Painfully)
He sees Pavanna as a fellow soldier. A comrade in arms. She is the one he trusts most right now, with Noro a close second. This is mostly due to the fact that Pavanna and Olivius caravaned into Sandpoint together and have a history that goes beyond the past few days.
Due to Noro's recent character development and the sparring session has endeared her to Olivius. He's been close to her situation before, and that has gone a long way toward overcoming the initial misgivings Olivius held about her as a result of her job.
He sees Saroune as a key to his dreams of becoming a Mage one day (which will never actually be realized, but that develops later). She is therefore one to be protected, but her magic means she is not a liability, just a squishie.
Thirzin is a great drinking buddy and a good fighter, though he doesn't expect the Dwarf to hold the line with him like Pavanna. He falls somewhere around Noro.
Asuriel has gotten herself off on the wrong foot with him by opposing his only friend. She is gorgeous and capable, but her behaviors have soured her to Olivius.
It might take time for Olivius to overcome or change these first impressions for reasons not yet spelled out. Olivius has GM approved baggage that might rock the boat later. :)
Aww, so it's not "Olivius hates Horatio because of something he did", but "Olivius hates Horatio because of what he is". Harsh, dude; real harsh ;-)
When Olivius realises he isn't going to be a Mage, can Spoony get in a pep-talk at some point? You know how bards are with the talking and stuff :p
Probably. We'll see how that plays out, but that could easily be the relational turning point for these two.
Noro can pep talk ya.
"suck it up, its just a flesh wound, you'll live, Now get back out there and kick his ass!"
Okay, after reading Asuriel's PM and seeing that I had 22 posts in the discussion thread, I was a little worried. Glad to see that things seem to have worked themselves out.
On the note of characters that you don't like/drive you up the wall as a player, I hope Ping isn't among them. (Or any other NPCs)
That said I am flattered that Trace thinks so highly of my deviousness, and for that, and some other reasons, I've got a warm fuzzy feeling. >:D
And on the crash front, I found out that I was knocked out, then my car rolled. The car is almost a guaranteed total, and I firmly believe that it's only by the grace of God that I was walking away from the hospital a few hours later. That said, I need to find a new car because the one I'm driving now is a rental (covered by insurance thankfully.)
I'll be moving the game forward by this weekend. I've got plans... big plans. >:)
On the note of characters that you don't like/drive you up the wall as a player, I hope Ping isn't among them. (Or any other NPCs)
Nah, Ping's cool. She's exactly how a gnome should be - cute and bonkers. :D
I hope you find a new car soon, Salsasalsasalsa. Double-glad you're okay now! That's pretty crazy stuff.
Probably. We'll see how that plays out, but that could easily be the relational turning point for these two.
Maybe we could have our own buddy-cop style sideplot going, in the same vein as Pav and Asi working things out. :P Or it's a dramatic moment, with Spoony going on a long and inspiring speech about true happiness and the nature of magic and the importance of being satisfied with who one is... then just as the music swells to a head, there's a record scratch and Olivius punches him in the face. :D
I need caffeine, because my mind is evidently in a weird place right now.
Or Noro punches poor spoony and then flattens Olivius too before saying "deal with it" and marching off. :P