Let's try this again, shall we.
I hadn't brought this up in the recruitment thread, but many/most people living in Vigil have something called a Shield-Mark. Its a Mark of Justice (spell) that forms a tattoo-like shield on the palm of the right hand. The mark is an oath of loyalty to support the crusade and its ideals and to treat citizens with fairness, honesty and respect. Individuals asking to be soldiers in Vigil must swear to serve the commanders and citizens and to temper justice with mercy. Anyone without a mark cannot own property or businesses in Vigil and cannot carry weapons.
As you'll see in the gameplay thread, having a mark is not required of all scrubs. You can decide if your character already has one or not.
Copy-Pasted from the other Discussion:
I think your {old} Gameplay Thread is flagged as hidden. It happened to me earlier, when I started my Curse of the Crimson Throne game. If you tell a mod that you think it's flagged hidden, they should be able to fix it, but they didn't tell me how to do it.
Shield-Marks: I'd assume that the Tilernos family would have had them essentially from childhood. As one of the "old families" of Lastwall, it seems like they'd be taught from childhood to serve and to temper their justice with mercy, etc. If this isn't the case, Eilidh will still have one. Also, she prefers "Allie" over Eilidh, but her mother refuses to use the nickname.
@Kassara: We should figure out what our relationship is, as sisters. It's a great opportunity to RP relatives, and one that doesn't come up often.
Thanks for the opportunity, DMRaven!
I'd expect most Tilernos to have them as well, although there may always be an exception. Not every Tilernos lives in Vigil and the marks are a Vigil-specific, rather than Lastwall-specific, thing.
Further notes/requests.
In your Class/levels section of the character please provide Init, perception, saves, AC/Touch/FF and HP. You can include more information such as important skills or daily abilities/usages but that is up to individual choice.
I'll have a proper introductory post for my character later today, after work. There's no time right now. Hope my Class/Level bar is fine.
Allie's class/bar are fine. I work peculiar hours (yay shift work) so have today off. I don't expect to hear from most players until later tonight.
Ah hello all. I didn't think I had this one in the bag, but there I was at the top of the list! (Alphabetical by last name I'm sure) I'm looking forward to a spirited game with all of you. Three very different guys and two related sisters should make for an interesting dynamic. I'm looking forward to see how this works out.
Also, dotting the discussion thread...
Hey Allie,
Given the age restrictions, if we decide to be sisters rather than (say) cousins, we'll have to be pretty close in age. Kassara works better (I think) as a 16 year old than a 15 year old, and probably wouldn't be very good as an older sister. My preference would be for us to be 16 year-old twins (I think Allie is 16?) - much more fun to play very close siblings than distant cousins! (like you say, opportunity doesn't come up all that often).
From our personality descriptions it seems like Allie is a bit dour and anxious, and doesn't make friends easily?? - in contrast, Kassara (maybe "Kassie" would be a good abbreviation to match Allie), is outgoing and doesn't take things seriously, making friends easily. It seems to me, therefore, that there are 2 obvious ways the relationship could go:
1: Confict - They dislike each other and don't get along at all well due to their different natures.
2: Synergy - They know each other's strengths and weaknesses, and have come to rely on the fact that each has strengths the other lacks. Allie acts as a check on Kassara's wild-side, Kassara stops Allie from retreating into a morass of friendless anxiety. - This doesn't preclude a lot of bickering (almost demands it in fact).
Either of these options could be fun, but i'm more inclined to go with option 2. What do you think?
Yeah, cousins doesn't work as well, I think. It's a rare opportunity to play characters with a family relationship. Your analysis of the two characters is really close. I don't envision her as dour so much as unable/unwilling to commit to a close friendship, even if she wants to. Anxious, yes, shy, yes. Your character did seem like a more loud, rebellious (in a fun, good way) sister.
I'd love to play twins. I think some mixture of the two options would be best. I know just from living with my brother for 18 years that even if there's a lot of conflict, even if you're close. I'd lean toward the second option as well.
Great! Sounds like we've got a plan :)
Twins do sound interesting. This ought to be an intriguing situation. Kassara and Eilidh have very different personalities, which is one reason I selected both of them.
Side Note: There is a lot of tidbits of information here and there. Not all of it is terribly relevant to main plot points. Much of it is window dressing to help make the Bonewatch feel more alive for you all.
Thanks! - would it be possible to include important NPC info in the campaign tab?,,...
And which of the candidates are best looking? (a girl likes to know.)
There are a few twins out there that have vastly different personalities. Maternal twins in particular. I've had roommates and friends that were twins and it was amazing how different they could be. Of course, there was the one time I dated twins... that was a bad experience. Don't do that. It may sound good, but no. No it is not.
Daen is not terribly good looking. But he's not bad either, just terribly terribly average.
I love the amount of NPC's we're dealing with. You're really outdoing yourself with this one. I keep wanting to ask questions, but I put him into this as if he knows practically nothing that's going on. So I'll probably just ask them in character.
Depends on the type of person a character thinks is good looking I guess.
Eckart is blond and blue eyes and tall. but a bit on the thin side. Doesn't have the best looking clothes but is clean and 'well enough' off.
There are a few twins out there that have vastly different personalities. Maternal twins in particular.
Very true,.. but are we fraternal or maternal twins? We're the same hight, similar weight and skin tone, but we have different coloured hair.... which means we have to be fraternal twins... Unless Kass bleaches hers, or Allie dyes it (or Kass spend a lot more time in the sun and her hair is a bit more bleached as a result. In any case we clearly look very similar.
What'd you think Alllie? Identical or not?
I don't think we're identical twins. At least in Allie's case, the red is natural. She hasn't spent as much time as she probably should worrying about appearances, and given the technology level in Golarion, dying hair would either be expensive or a magical procedure. In any case, the two personalities are so different that it's unlikely we'd be identical twins unless the differing attitudes were rebellion against the identical thing, and I think growing up in the Tilernos household would give other things to rebel against if we needed them. Just my thoughts.
I'm not fussed either way - I agree that Allie doesn't seem like the type to dye her hair, but Kass kind of does - especially if their mother has red hair (like you say - the rebellion thing, and bleaching is easy, even in low-tech Golarion). Identical twins' personalities can be very different after all.
Once selections/ranking is finished, the PC's will have time in their cohort barracks to talk to each other and others. Also, while the fight is going on, Eckart, feel free to start up conversations with those who aren't fighting.
As another aside: One advantage and disadvantage of PbP games is that they can be slow. This is an advantage as, unlike in a tabletop game, it is very easy to have long, in-depth conversations between players and NPCs. On the other hand, such conversations can slow down play if done improperly.
My preference is not interrupt NPC or PC interactions but instead move the game along around/beyond them and allow them to continue via spoilers. For example, if Eckart starts talking to Gideon or Austyn but isn't finished speaking before Kassara and Urias are done fighting; then that conversation can continue in spoilers for as long as necessary afterward.
And yes, I'll provide NPC information in the campaign tab under a spoiler. I'd intended to, just haven't gotten to it yet. It'll be an easy location for you to ctrl+f a name to figure out what they look like/who they are.
NPC information is up. Please let me know if the format is easily readable. I've attempted to organize the list and will update it whenever you learn more information about an individual or encounter more individuals.
Heheh. Doing nonlethal while raging is funny.
not that funny!
Maybe not from your pov. Heheh
Actually she should be waking up. Cure spells cure as much non-lethal as they do lethal, so the non lethal damage she would have taken would be equal to her hit points followed by 7 points of lethal. Healing her for 6 hp would leave her with 1 point of lethal damage and 6 of non lethal, so she would be fine.
Ouch, poor Kassie! If only she had rolled a bit better, her higher AC could have helped out more. It's alright, she'll have a chance to prove herself in dueling, acrobatics and knowledge soon enough.
Thanks, Daen. I actually read it twice before I posted, but I misinterpreted it. That's what I get for posting at 5:30 in the morning.
No prob, we all make mistakes. I, for instance, just had the forum eat my post. I'll have to put up another later.
I'm hoping that we perhaps get to group up in some exercises against the other groups of 20. Maybe there is some sort of challenge to be the best group as well. Who knows.
Until the cohorts get whittled down there won't be much direct competition. You'll see about the second part of your statement though.
Working 16 hours Thursday, won't get a post up till Friday.
Alright, incoming day-long dormitory RP section. Time to get to know everyone, maybe.
I know Raven isn't going to be posting today, so if things get too fun in teh dorm, we'll catch up with that later and I'll bring Daen in.
I think some other stuff happens after a couple hrs. But Yea plenty of time to chat
On my phone but will try to get something up before getting off work.
On phone all day but planning to post. Excuse any spelling errors or odd format please! Any ooc questions van be asked here.
Side note: secret and special things are granted to taking certain actions enough times in a month. Anything from gaining contacts, discounts in items and New abilities.
Side note two: Any pc with family in the knights know that sabotaging another cohort is expected and elaborate tales of pranks abd rivalries are told by every Knight to their kids. At the same time, getting caught results in punishment. Think of it as training for those who are sneaky. Its not your traditional chivalric knighthood as you learn!
Edit: just. Noticed it was Urias who asked about alastwall and not Kassie. Sorry!
In the future, will we be able to make the additional actions before our skill checks? We all made them today, but I can see us not doing so in the future, so the extra +2s and +4s might be really useful.
Also, in the downtime rules, we could use some of our capitol to help us with related skill checks, so if we did some downtime stuff and use our Goods, Influence, Labor or Magic points to increase our scores for these checks as well? Even though we are training all day, you'll allow full downtime rules in the midst of this? I've never worked with the downtime rules before, and it seems you can earn up some interesting things. Do you want us to come up with RP and justification for what we're doing or do you want us to tell you what we want to earn and you figure out whether or not we can do it and how?
Now about training for a future bout, are the +2s for each day in preparation cumulative? Can I spend 2 days to get a +4 to AC or something like that? Or are the +2s non cumulative, but if I spend extra days, I can have a +2 to AC and +2 to Damage?
I almost said I don't mean to ply you with questions, but that's exactly what I mean to do, so I'm not going to say it.
As a typed bonus from the same source, training benefits do not stack. And yes, you won't actually have a chance to even use an action the first day, but will on subsequent ones. The first week is a sort of "adjusting to how things work." Of course, there are some events that will prevent you from using your actions as well.
You can use capital in all the ways described, including using as skill checks while in Vigil.
Downtime rules are useful but very, very slow. Especially when the PC's aren't exactly gaining a large gold income to pay for their capital.
Questions are fine!
The first day was sort of to set up the scene. The entire first week will be introducing the PC's and players to the mechanics for the coming weeks/months.
lol what do we do if we don't have enough money to purchase these required things?
I would guess you'd have to work up the courage to ask someone to borrow, or spend a day of "downtime". Just a guess, though. I'll have the books soon, but I don't know how many people can read from one set in the two-and-a-half days we have before the due date. Also, Eilidh is tired of giving away things for free. She might want a favor later.
You're not expected to really have the gold on hand to buy the incredibly overpriced books at the War College. Comell sets it up that was as a sort of test. He wants to see if scrubs can locate resources, obtain them with their limited funds and what they do when curve balls are thrown into the equation.
It's cool.
On a side note, my family is getting together this week for Thanksgiving, my brother came in this morning. I doubt I'll have very much time to post, but I'll do my best to keep up. If I'm holding up the line, feel free to make whatever check I need for me, or I'll do them all when I can.
Septima is going to love me! Also, I'll also be out of town from Wednesday through Sunday of next week. I'll try to post a few times, but if you need to make rolls for me, don't hesitate to do so.
PbP always slows down a bit around holiday time/holiday weeks. I don't mind! I'll do my best to keep those who stick around entertained and progressing forward. There's plenty of room for side conversations due to the format.
A google spreadsheet with the NPC attitudes has been added. Should be easier to view for multiple reasons. I made it color coded to, hopefully, make it easier to quickly glance down a column and see attitudes. Let me know if the colors hinder rather than help.
The chart is nice, but you might want to switch colors. If you go with Helpful as Blue, Friendly as Green, Unfriendly as Orange and Hostile as Red, you won't have to deal with bold text and it'd be easier to see at a glance.
Thank you, that does look a lot better.
Thanks for the attitude table - makes things easy/clear. Nice job!
Is Trainer Fisk unfriendly because he's a drill sergeant, or because he hates us?
Edit: @ DMRaven: "Sometimes...sometimes I have to mumble, too. Mumbling is easy."
Because he's your drill sergeant. Also, he hates everyone.
Still need Day four rolls and actions for Eckart. Also need Day Four action from Urias.