Looking to start a play by post here on the forums. This is a bit of a test to see how readily Pathfinder converts to 5e.
So, for system: D&D 5e, obviously.
The adventure will be a classic intro adventure:
Adventure Description:
Ok, the spoiler does actually spoil things. So the gist, if you don’t want it spoiled is this: the heroes of the town’s future are given an opportunity for a bit of adventure, recovering an eternal flame from a crypt in a yearly ceremony that goes utterly and terribly wrong.
Character Creation:
Player’s Handbook. Avoid Dragonborn. Roll stats. 4d6, drop lowest roll.
1st level starting characters. I’m looking for 4–5 players. No evil characters.
If you’re looking to use an alternate race from another source, give me a good backstory for how it fits the starting conceit for the adventure, which is:
Characters are teens selected for a traditional quest for passage to adulthood. The town of Kassen is mostly human, but there are a smattering of other races. Even an elf or dwarf might precociously choose to participate in the ritual to be deemed an adult when their parents might not consider them so.
Other races: I know a number of other races are available through other sources. If you really want to play one, make the backstory and how it fits with the starting conceit a good one. Obviously human characters have an advantage here.
Humans: Most humans are of Chelish, Kellid, Taldan, or Varisian descent, but Nirmathas was once a trade route from Cheliax to Varisia, so other ethnic backgrounds are possible. Humans speak Common (Taldane) but humans from non Taldan/Chelish backgrounds speak their ethnic language as well (as a bonus language).
The starting assumption is that characters are growing up in Kassen, a logging community on the river in Nirmathas. Nirmathas is a meritocracy (those who pull their weight tend to have the most power) that escaped the rule of Cheliax only to find rule by Molthune was equally intolerable. Its people are practical and hard-working, and the primary driver of their economy is lumber, shipped between Skelt to the west and the capital, Tamran, to the east.
As teens growing up in a bustling logging and agricultural community, the traditional yearly trip to Crypt of the Everflame is one all the characters native to Kassen are familiar with. Usually the mayor and some dignitaries go. But every few years, youth with a particular sense of adventure are given the opportunity—some say to drive the passion for adventure out—to go to the crypt themselves to fetch the everflame. It’s been a few years since the last group went. Most have settled down and are living on farmsteads, or working with the woodcutter’s guild.
Rumor has it, this will be the year—your year.
Classes:
All of the classes in Player’s Handbook are available.
Most classes translate fairly easily, clerics are the biggest difficulty, because the domain selection is so small. This means that a lot of the distinguishment of your particular faith will need to be in your role playing.
Having grown up in this small community, clerics are likely to come from one of the following faiths—5e domains noted:
Desna: Protection, Light (this is particularly appropriate for Varisian characters)
Erastil: Life, Nature (this is the most commonly worshipped deity for Kassen)
Gozreh: Nature
Gorum: War
Iomedae: Light, War (the local priest is unlikely to be helpful, but there is a paladin from Lastwall who might mentor the character in concert with the local priest)
Shelyn: Life, Protection (yeah, I know, beauty and love get short shrift domain wise in 5e)
Torag: Forge, Protection
Note that the Forge and Protection domains are NOT in the Player’s Handbook. Due to the dearth of domains, I am allowing the Unearthed Arcana article to be used. Remember you choose only one domain from the deity’s portfolio.
If you want to use a different god, give me a good reason that fits the starting conceit.
The adventure conceit assumes that any sorcerers are children of the Vargidan family. The patriarch of that clan has had children with a variety of races, so humans, half-elves, or half-orcs would all be appropriate, but this is important for background. Again, there are no known sorcerer bloodlines in town except the Vargidan line, so you’ll need to explain the outsider status and history in your background if you go that route.
Cast of characters:
For background purposes, I’m detailing major characters in Kassen, as well as those most likely to serve as older friends or mentors of the characters. If you want to create relations or brothers or whatever fits your background, that’s great. The more coherent you fit in the story, the better the role playing will be. Just bear the full descriptions in mind. Father Praast, for instance, is too young to be having kids who you would be interacting with, and Asina Silvers can’t have brothers, given her background. If you have questions, ask.
Cygar Anravis: Cygar is a human stranger who has been staying at the Seven Silvers for months. He’s dark, mysterious, scarred, and an outsider, which makes him in the eyes of most townsfolk untrustworthy.
Sir Dramott: a human paladin from Lastwall, Sir Dramott is a scout for his militaristic country, making sure the orcs of the Hold of Belkzen stay kept in check. As a paladin of Iomedae, he is a logical choice to mentor paladin characters, or clerics who wish to worship the goddess of valor. He is capable and wise, but a bit harsh, and too ready to believe that service at Lastwall is the only valor worthy of high honor.
Jocyn Elmaran: another resident of the Seven Silvers, Jocyn is the town’s entertainment (and to hear him tell it, they need it). He was crippled in a fight with orcs some years past, and makes his living performing in the common room of the tavern. He is a trained bard, and the likely choice to mentor bard characters. He’s a lax teacher, but in the dark hours on those occasions when he gets drunk suggest that he has seen real terror.
Grimscar: A forestry guild worker. He is a good worker, but mean and often rude to the residents of Kassen. He often picks fights, but word has it he can’t hold his liquor. He might be a friend for half-orc characters.
Holgast: a retired wizard, Holgast lives in a tower at the edge of town. He’s knowledgeable but very old and quite forgetful and spends most days puttering around his tower, enjoying a full pipe, a book, and a nap. Rumor has it he is immensely wealthy, having retired after pulling a rather hefty hoard from… something. His lessons, when he remembers to give them, are quite erratic and involve a lot of chores and little learning. Lately, though, he’s forgotten to lock the door where he keeps the apprentice spellbooks, and some of his students have been learning on their own. - NOTE: Holgast is well traveled and has some spells from outside player’s handbook. Wizards may select the frostbite, gust, or thunderclap cantrips, or the first level spell ice knife. These spells can be found in the elemental evil player’s guide.
Jimes “Short Change” Iggins: a waiter at the Seven Silvers, Jimes has a reputation for petty theft and an attitude that it’s all in good fun. He’s well enough liked that the local populace just is careful to count everything twice around him. After all, if they really need it, they know where it is. He remains determined that his nickname simply refers to his size as a halfling, and he makes an excellent mentor for rogue characters.
Braggar Ironhame: A dwarven weaponsmith, Braggar is known for his temper and the quality of his work. He makes a good mentor for dwarven characters, and is one of few devotees of Torag in town. He is also a barbarian, and can mentor characters in channeling their rage.
Guardsman Golfond Kir : A guardsman. He suffered an injury as a child (a horse kicked him in the head) and has been a bit simple since. But he is kind without fault, takes care of an elderly mother, and plays with the local children. He is often the butt of jokes and pranks, but Kir is known to be the most honest man in town.
Arnama Lastrid: In a country known for its rangers, it’s no surprise that Kassen has its own. Arnama is tough, quiet, and teaches mostly by example. An orphan of the wars with Molthune, she believes in a family made by bonds of friendship. She is impatient and has little discipline teaching, but she takes her charges—and she has several at any one time—far afield, and teaches them much just by doing.
Ilimara Oniri: One of few people not from Kassen, Ilimara is Qadiran, and a devotee of the ancient practices or Irori. The path of the monk is a difficult one, and it has yet to help Ilimara find the peace in her heart. She is willing to teach, though those who study with her suspect that she may have turned to devotion out of a darkness within. Beautiful and exotic, she is more than willing to mentor a monk character.
Father Rantal Prasst: The High Priest (really the only priest) of the village, Rantal is familiar with the practices of a half-dozen faiths, though his services are those of Erastil, he will still guide someone who is called to any of the faiths described above, and as such is the most likely mentor for those characters, teaching them priestly devotion, the basics of spell casting, and allowing them space to pray—and even preach. He will still teach the basics of priestly devotion to a budding cleric of Iomedae, but for tenets of faith demands they go to Sir Dramott. Rantal does not like violence, and supposedly gave up a youthful career as a soldier.
Asina Silvers: At only 13, Asina is already doing almost half the work at the Seven Silvers. Her father is expecting her to take over when he retires. As young people in the town, you suspect she other aspirations. She does her work diligently, and if there’s a rumor in town you haven’t heard, Asina is sure to know it.
Trelvar Silvers: The owner of the Seven Silvers public house. He never recovered from losing his wife last year, and that his son didn’t last the winter has shattered him. He puts a lot of pressure on Asina to take over, and the two run an honest business, Jimes’ occasional petty thefts aside.
Olmira Treesong: A druid, Olmira is already an unusual sight, but Olmira looks the part, dressing in grasses and clothes made of plants and bark, and always followed by a retinue of animals. She seems more concerned with her following pack of birds and squirrels, but will teach the secrets of nature to a curious character if one is looking to learn.
Mayor Jonark Uptal: An elected mayor, Jonark has held the position for eleven years. His next election is coming up and he wants to make sure this year’s Quest for the Everflame goes off without a hitch. He doesn’t trust outsiders and has a known tendency to err towards siding with locals over visitors except when there is overwhelming evidence.
Moltus Vargidan: Vargidan blood sings with magic, and the whole clan has sorcerous blood. To make sure it’s spread as far as possible, Moltus has almost a dozen children, each from a different wife, and most of the family comes to their sorcerous power without much guidance from the aloof and wealthy patriarch. Moltus is an eccentric character, with white hair past his waist.
Colbin Vetnar: The guildmaster of the woodcutter’s guild. Colbin is interested in money, and makes little secret of it. While there are other contenders for power in town (both Holgast and Vardigan are wealthy enough to confront him, and Father Prasst has enough social influence), Colbin controls much of the economic future of Kassen, and has maintained his power.
Guard Captain Gregor Wisslo: While Kassen is far from the horrors of the seemingly endless conflict with Moltune, orcs from Belzken are still a threat. Gregor is disciplined and regimented, but not very intuitive. Nonetheless, he is a capable, if demanding, mentor for fighter characters.
Zandre Vargidan: A beautiful young man whose elven heritage shows in his skin, Zandre is only twenty-two and inherited none of his father’s magic blood. His father took this as clear proof that his wife had cheated, beat her near to death, and set her out. Because Zandre was almost of age, the town demanded he be allowed to participate in the Quest for the Everflame ritual, the last time youth were sent on it. Tales tell that arcane might came to the young man, but he never speaks of it, even though his father reluctantly let him back into the Vargidan compound. He blames his father for the loss of his mother (he briefly went searching to no avail), and keeps to himself. Zandre is a warlock. The road of a warlock is solitary one, but he might act as a friend and counselor to someone who forged a pact of their own.
Game play:
I do my best to keep things moving, which means I’ll be doing some rolling for the players, especially initiative to get combat going quickly. If I forget a bonus or mess up (it happens), let me know and I’ll do what I can to fix it as long as the notice is timely.
Small encounters may not have a map at all. Large ones usually will. Maps slow things down, sometimes a lot. If I think having the map will slow you down more than not, I’ll skip the map.
The plan is to see how things work with using Roll20 to share maps for encounters requiring them.
Obviously the hope is to have everyone roleplay and enhance the story that way. I know it doesn’t always work, which is why I’m starting with a relatively short adventure.
Be familiar with the play by post guides in the forums—there are two excellent ones stickied in the online games general discussion forum. They give a lot of good guidance like: Elect a leader or the first two people to agree will drive the story, make sure to use , don’t assume other character actions, and leave hooks and pushes for the characters. Try this one to start.
The expectation is a post every day (I know weekends are tough and I’ll make allowances) and if you’re going to be gone or unable to post, let folks know. No one can do that all the time—note even me. So just keep everyone informed. Even if it’s just
Remember that your backstory only matters to you and me (as the GM) unless you develop a roleplay connection with other characters that helps make it matter to them too—you get out of PbP what you give. Complement folks out of character when you see great role playing. If it’s really great role playing, don’t forget, if you’ve earned inspiration, you can give another character your inspiration (and give up yours) to reward them, even if it doesn’t match up to their traits/flaws.
This is a mature game. That means if you want to seduce the bandit, we can roleplay that and fade to black when appropriate. It also means you don’t need to feel too shy about describing how entrails drip out of the monster if I tell you that you critted and ask you to describe how you eviscerated the beast. But keep it reasonable. We’re on public boards, that means risque is a line that needs to not get too close to explicit. Remember you have other players too, who want the game to progress—while adult situations are all well and good, it should be something that develops the character, contributes to the game, and keeps things moving.
I’m running this as a one shot. I may continue to the sequels in the series if everything goes well and the group works well together. Continuing past this initial adventure will be entirely dependent on how the game goes and whether the players want to continue and running it hasn’t totally burnt me out.
Recruitment is open until the party is full. If that has not happened within a reasonable period, I will reassess the game. I will respond to any initial questions this evening after I get home.
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Half-elf Fighter Eldritch Knight wannabe.
Son of the local seamstress and an elven wanderer.
I submit Cole Hillman fof consideration. I used him in a PbP for 5th exition that died fairly quick. I can re-roll the stats if you prefer. Cole is a Ranger (Unearthed Arcana version). His background has been revised to fit this prospective game.
I have yet to have opportunity to play a Wizard, a Druid or a Rogue in 5E, so I am leaning towards trying one of those.
Jubal's Half-elf Fighter Eldritch Knight wannabe. Son of the local seamstress and an elven wanderer.
I have yet to have opportunity to play a Wizard, a Druid or a Rogue in 5E, so I am leaning towards trying one of those.
No one has applied yet in any of those roles, so if you are interested, go for it. The applications so far have been for fighter/melee oriented classes, so any of those could represent something different.
I submit Cole Hillman fof consideration. I used him in a PbP for 5th exition that died fairly quick. I can re-roll the stats if you prefer. Cole is a Ranger (Unearthed Arcana version). His background has been revised to fit this prospective game.
Cole:
This looks reasonable, but his age is a little high for a coming of age story. Would you object to making him 22? I can see Arnama arguing for a place on the quest for him as an important rite of passage he missed, rushing to a role he was expected to fill. Also she's the sort to intuit trouble and place a slightly older more experienced young man in the quest.
Let me know.
Just a note:
Jubal's Half-elf Fighter Eldritch Knight wannabe. Son of the local seamstress and an elven wanderer.
Finlogan looks interesting. Since you and Cole would both have had Arnama as a mentor, I would encourage you to consider how you get along. Are you like blood brothers in a pack that she guides? Do you feel she favors the older warrior? Is there some resentment, perhaps, that you chose the path of the fighter, even if you patrol like a ranger would?
These characters are looking great so far.
Cole, those are great Ability Scores! Are you going to reroll for this game?
While Finlogan is younger, he's probably been with Arnama longer (10 years). Finlogan is not stealthy and has learned a thing or two from Arnama (Nature & Medicine). Fin would not feel threatened by Cole's presence but might share friendly competition in some cases but not overly. What do you think?
Cole, those are great Ability Scores! Are you going to reroll for this game?
While Finlogan is younger, he's probably been with Arnama longer (10 years). Finlogan is not stealthy and has learned a thing or two from Arnama (Nature & Medicine). Fin would not feel threatened by Cole's presence but might share friendly competition in some cases but not overly. What do you think?
Cole was originally rolled up for another game, which called for rerolling stats in order until you had a set with two scores over 15. I checked the original recruitment thread and it was a legit requirement from the DM there, so I'm not going to request a reroll. The scores are certainly good, but not worrisome, given the circumstances.
I know how frustrated I've been when games died, so I appreciate him wanting to use the character and not have to start from scratch.
That's good insight on Finlogan's thoughts, that I'll bear in mind when thinking about Arnama's interactions with both of you.
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Hi there! =)
Character submission from Atlas2112!
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(after human mod of +1 to 2 = 10 16 12 16 12 6)
Excellent!
I like this idea you have Sorcerers. Very good, very classic. I was thinking Wizard but I'm moved by your condition. I accept!
Rankev was neither the oldest child of the House of Vargidan brood, nor the most favored. But he was amonsgst the most entitled and made certain both his presence and his wishes were known at any function he attended, and, indeed, for any room he happened to be present.
Upon his BirthFest commemorating his second ten-year, he help a lavish party and, with no small help of the strong apple brandy he favored at the time, made some amount of fuss over his intentions to be the next patriarch of the family when Father died...or perhaps even before.
His favor in the family court was never quite stable, and he was not so loved that such a proclamation could go unnoticed.
However, he was liked (or was it feared?) enough that instead of being cut off or challenged to a deathduel, he was instead given a Trial by Fire--he was granted his own apartments off the estate, given freedom from all family requirements (some would call this an "exile" but Father was ever so the silver tongue) and presented with an expectation that if he was the man he said he was, he would prove himself.
Rankev embraced both the opportunity and the freedom to make something of himself.
Rankev himself has never known hard labor. He would much rather spend an evening debating politics or ordering servants around than chopping wood or attending to duties of any kind. Though his natural personality can be grating at times, he has inherited the lion's share of the family's gift for gab, and can turn a honeyed phrase to advantage--when it suits him.
How's that? =)
@Koldoon: I will certainly back his age up to 22. Also, I will adjust unarmored AC. Thanks!
@Finlogan: I agree with your assessment. Cole would not be the type to interfere with the mentoring of Arnama. Cole would view it as Finlogan and he being friends in the same platoon. I could see them training (sparring) regularly together before taking group and individual counseling from Arnama.
Cole was originally rolled up for another game, which called for rerolling stats in order until you had a set with two scores over 15. I checked the original recruitment thread and it was a legit requirement from the DM there, so I'm not going to request a reroll. The scores are certainly good, but not worrisome, given the circumstances.
I know how frustrated I've been when games died, so I appreciate him wanting to use the character and not have to start from scratch.
Completely understand. Would you mind if I used the Stat array that I just rolled for another recruitment that my character didn't get accepted. It's effectively the same character except the background didn't work as well in this submission. Dice gods smiled on those rolls, which is why I ask.
That's good insight on Finlogan's thoughts, that I'll bear in mind when thinking about Arnama's interactions with both of you.
Thanks
Hi there! =)
Character submission from Atlas2112!
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Excellent!
I like this idea you have Sorcerers. Very good, very classic. I was thinking Wizard but I'm moved by your condition. I accept!
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How's that? =)
This looks good and the background sounds fun. I saw your question below and if you want to rebuild with a standard array, that's fine. Certainly you're not going to strain game balance using the standard array.
Is it possible to re-roll or take the standard array? Been trying to make these numbers work. Thanks
Daniel: Standard array is fine, certainly you're not going to hurt game balance using it. I know some people like to roll, so I prefer to allow for that, but nothing against you if you prefer not to.
I saw you were leaning between a monk and a cleric.
The party so far is currently lacking most healing and roguish skills, so that may be a consideration for you... that said, there are ways to build that without a cleric in 5e, so don't let that deter you, just think about what skills the party as it looks so far does not yet have as you consider your character.
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I know some people like to roll,
All those people who like to roll are also people who roll better than me. =)
Yes! I shall be taking the standard array. That does little but make my atrocious strength be simply bad, and my Int and Wis go down, but I'm going to play him as a fop anyway so that's as it should be, and I get to move my Con up and, let's be honest, he's gonna need it. =)
Also, while things are "better" in terms of "not" "needing" a cleric, it still is pretty needed if you don't want a typical 15 min. adventuring day.
The best upside is that now clerics can be almost -anything-! =) So long as they save a handful of 1st level spells for Cure, then game on!
Any room for another player here? I'm entirely not picky and could happily put together a character that helps fill out whatever skills/areas the current group needs. Let me know and I'll roll up some stats. :)
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The party so far is currently lacking most healing and roguish skills....
@MendedWall12: If you made a Ranger, and took the Criminal Background to get proficient in Thieves Tools, that would pretty much cover the "roguish" aspect that we need, with the upside that you wouldn't have to play a Rogue. =)
(Also, no one's declared cleric yet, so that's still thing.)
The party so far is currently lacking most healing and roguish skills....@MendedWall12: If you made a Ranger, and took the Criminal Background to get proficient in Thieves Tools, that would pretty much cover the "roguish" aspect that we need, with the upside that you wouldn't have to play a Rogue. =)
(Also, no one's declared cleric yet, so that's still thing.)
I wouldn't mind playing a rogue or cleric, looks like Daniel Stewart is looking towards cleric so I'll see about putting together a Rogue.
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Not a terrible stat array, with racial bonuses it could be workable... :)
Ranger is handled Atlas...lol.
Hey, Daniel, good to see the regulars.
The party so far is currently lacking most healing and roguish skills....@MendedWall12: If you made a Ranger, and took the Criminal Background to get proficient in Thieves Tools, that would pretty much cover the "roguish" aspect that we need, with the upside that you wouldn't have to play a Rogue. =)
(Also, no one's declared cleric yet, so that's still thing.)
I wouldn't mind playing a rogue or cleric, looks like Daniel Stewart is looking towards cleric so I'll see about putting together a Rogue.
[dice=Stat Roll 1]4d6 = 13
[dice=Stat Roll 2]4d6 = 14
[dice=Stat Roll 3]4d6 = 17
[dice=Stat Roll 4]4d6 = 9
[dice=Stat Roll 5]4d6 = 11
[dice=Stat Roll 6]4d6 = 9Not a terrible stat array, with racial bonuses it could be workable... :)
I'll be interested to see what you come up with. As several folks have already pointed out, roguish abilities can come down to any of several classes with proficiency in thieves tools and a good perception score or investigation score.
Well I think I might go as the cleric and could also take a criminal background. Or not. Just depends on who else we get. Will get my submission up tonight.
There's a note specifically about clerics up above in the original post. While I did provide a list, it's a guidance, not a directive. If you would prefer another Golarion deity, feel free to ask. Those fit best into the backstory, but they aren't the only possibilities.
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Ok, here is my submission (crunch) for your approval. I tried to keep to your notes on Clerics, and took a common (for the area) deity. Hope this is all ok.
Was also thinking of a druid if that might be ok...still a healer, but more in tuned with nature than the cleric...just a thought.
Robb Erastilsson
Human Cleric 1
Medium humanoid, neutral good
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Armor Class 14 (chain shirt)
Hit Points 9 (1d8+1)
Speed 30 ft.
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STR 14 (+2), DEX 12 (+1), CON 13 (+1), INT 10 (+0), WIS 16 (+3), CHA 9 (-1)
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Feats Healer
Saving Throws Wis +5, Cha +1
Skills Insight +5, Medicine +5, Perception +5, Persuasion +1, Religion +2, Survival +5
Senses passive Perception 15
Languages Common, Druidic, Goblin, Sylvan
Actions
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Greatclub. Melee Weapon Attack: +4 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target.
Hit: 1d8+2 bludgeoning damage.
Unarmed Strike. Melee Weapon Attack: +4 to hit, reach 5 ft., one creature.
Hit: 3 bludgeoning damage.
Equipment chain shirt, Greatclub, 2 blocks of incense, alms box, backpack, blanket, candle (10), censer, holy symbol (amulet), rations (2), tinderbox, vestments, waterskin, 119 gp, 8 sp
I'll be interested to see what you come up with. As several folks have already pointed out, roguish abilities can come down to any of several classes with proficiency in thieves tools and a good perception score or investigation score.
Well I built Qantrydlias the Exile, Wood Elf Rogue this morning using Hero Lab with the Community Use Pack, and was hoping to have a sheet up for you to look at, but for some reason it didn't upload to my Google Drive. I'll check why that is when I get home this afternoon. I put the 17 in intel, and the 14 in Dex, which, with the +2 racial bonus brought that up to 16, dropped the 9's in Con and Cha. Took skill proficiency in Investigation, Acrobatics, Stealth, Sleight of Hand, and Perception as far as I can remember right now. Obviously also have the proficiency in thieve's tools. Is that 5E's version of disable device? I was a little confused on that, as this is the first 5E character I've ever created. If the criminal background provides proficiency with thieves tools then the rogue class does seem a little extraneous, doesn't it? With the trapfinder trait in Pathfinder from Mummy's Mask, the rogue class can be extraneous in Pathfinder as well. If the group would prefer I go a different route with class, I'd be fine with that. I'd really just love to get my feet wet with the 5E rules system.
OH! Full disclosure, I have run Crypt of the Everflame as a GM (for Pathfinder), but I've been gaming in one form or another since about 1984, and I have become very adept at separating player knowledge from character knowledge.
I'll get a profile and viewable PDF character sheet for Qantrydlias up this afternoon, unless I get feedback that says to scratch the rogue and go some other route? Would another arcane caster be of any use?
Just wanted to get this up for ease of use.
Characters submitted so far:
Cole Hillman: Human Ranger
Finlogan: Half-elf Fighter (cum Eldritch Knight)
Rankev "Power" Davis: Human Sorcerer
Robb Erastilsson: Human Cleric
Qantrydlias the Exile: Wood Elf Rogue
Did I miss anyone? That mixture of races and classes seems like a good party to me. :D
Edit: Looks like Qantrydlias will be mentored by the halfling Jimes “Short Change” Iggins. I'll have to figure some interesting way to have those two connected. :)
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@ Daniel Stewart: What manner of cleric is Robb? From the description I assume NatureCleric, but LifeCleric also might fit.
@MendedWall12: Heh. Yeah, I've noticed that very often the Rogue is simply...superfluous. He's under-powered in combat (unless you hellburn your build for it, and even then it's iffy if the rest of the party isn't down with it and you'll never tank) and the skills, very often, can be duplicated by other classes.
Simply, I've never seen a Rogue that can't be done better by another class.
I mentioned Ranger, since that is Rogue-ish, and with the UA upgrade he's probably better in every way, but Monk can do many of the roles too, and both of them can maintain that same RP "feel" of being "stealthy&spritely and nimble but also deadly."
Also, the Rogue just got left behind in it's Archetypes. The Theif isn't very theivy, the assassin just get's the one shot then he's done, and the Arcane trickster is neither very arcane nor very trickery.
IMHO. YMMV. =)
@Everyone: Tally ho! =)
@Daniel Stewart (& indirectly @Rankev), if you want to reskin for Druid, I'd be happy to start over from scratch (same stat array obviously) and go cleric. Does one of us need to take the criminal background so we can get the thieve's tools proficiency? Or would that be better served by a different character?
Ok, here is my submission (crunch) for your approval. I tried to keep to your notes on Clerics, and took a common (for the area) deity. Hope this is all ok.
Was also thinking of a druid if that might be ok...still a healer, but more in tuned with nature than the cleric...just a thought.** spoiler omitted **
Druids are comparable healers to clerics at low levels in 5e, so that's fine with me if you would prefer to go that route.
I'll be interested to see what you come up with. As several folks have already pointed out, roguish abilities can come down to any of several classes with proficiency in thieves tools and a good perception score or investigation score.Well I built Qantrydlias the Exile, Wood Elf Rogue this morning using Hero Lab with the Community Use Pack, and was hoping to have a sheet up for you to look at, but for some reason it didn't upload to my Google Drive. I'll check why that is when I get home this afternoon...
One of the nice things about 5e is that there are a lot of ways to compensate for missing character classes, both from things criminal background (for rogues) and even at low levels for a lack of cleric (a human character can opt for +1 in two abilities and take an extra skill and a feat at first level... If you take Healer as a feat you can stabilize (to 1 hp instead of zero) AND use the kit once per long rest per character to heal 1d6 + 4 + level of target. It requires resource management to ensure a supply of healer kits, but it does work at low levels as a substitute. Bards, Clerics, and Druids all have access to cure wounds at first level. The only real advantage of a true cleric at first is if they take the life domain healing gets a +3 hp bonus, and that they have access to other spells at higher levels that affect conditions, disease, raise dead.
Don't feel roped into a character class. Consider what skills and abilities the party needs to be rounded. There are probably a few ways to get to those.
Funny that you should mention Bard, I was just now thinking, perhaps that would be a better option. Bard with the criminal background could be a great addition to the party both for the "rogue-ish" skills, and because it provides supplemental healing, supplemental arcane magic, and the gift of song. :D Does that sound better? Feedback? Should I start over and go Bard instead?
Funny that you should mention Bard, I was just now thinking, perhaps that would be a better option. Bard with the criminal background could be a great addition to the party both for the "rogue-ish" skills, and because it provides supplemental healing, supplemental arcane magic, and the gift of song. :D Does that sound better? Feedback? Should I start over and go Bard instead?
That works for me. It'd be easy enough in setting, since both the bard and rogue mentors work in the Seven Silvers, to have the character have some criminal influence there.
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Finlogan: with regard to your question
Funny that you should mention Bard, I was just now thinking, perhaps that would be a better option. Bard with the criminal background could be a great addition to the party both for the "rogue-ish" skills, and because it provides supplemental healing, supplemental arcane magic, and the gift of song. :D Does that sound better? Feedback? Should I start over and go Bard instead?That works for me. It'd be easy enough in setting, since both the bard and rogue mentors work in the Seven Silvers, to have the character have some criminal influence there.
Excellent, I'll get that done this afternoon, and post the details as soon as I can. Excited!
Hey! MendedWall here. I present Aldelenna Dusksong, temptress bard, with an eye for expensive baubles. I will have time tomorrow to work on an extensive and location heavy back story, but for now, the crunch is all I have time for. PLEASE! As I said, this is my first attempt at anything 5E, tell me if I should change anything around. Especially skills, those choices were giving me fits!
Thanks!
Hey! MendedWall here. I present Aldelenna Dusksong, temptress bard, with an eye for expensive baubles. I will have time tomorrow to work on an extensive and location heavy back story, but for now, the crunch is all I have time for. PLEASE! As I said, this is my first attempt at anything 5E, tell me if I should change anything around. Especially skills, those choices were giving me fits!
Thanks!
I'll take a look and give some feed back later tonight.
I agree, not the Daniel I am accustomed to at all! Lol!
Ok, then here is the empty avatar...I hope THAT settles some people down..*wink*
Ugh...sorry for posting as Sir Adrian...Daniel would Never do that! Lol...
Since we have a healer in the party, I swapped Medicine with Stealth for more Rangery skills.
Since he had an average Dex beforehand, I took chain mail and a light crossbow from the standard starting equipment. And started building an average dexterity into my perception of the character. Now that he has a 14 Dex, I wanted to know if you would be alright for equipment modification like Adventurer's League:
- Sell chain mail 75 gp
- Sell light crossbow 25 gp
+ Buy Chain shirt 50 gp
+ Buy Longbow 50 gp
Ultimately it reduces his AC by 1, but he gets to be better at Stealth. On the other hand, the equipment feels more rangery.
You've already been more than generous by allowing his stat array, so I completely understand if you would refuse the request. I would chalk it up to what's available in the village and be happy, too.
Also, please let me know if you would like any additional character development.
Thanks