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Hey all,
For personal use I went through a listed every encounter in the entire AP and then noted which pawn box has what creature and if there is an available PF battles or reaper mini.
I thought maybe someone else would get some use out of it?
Entries under the categories if it is green then there is enough to cover the AP in the single box.. if yellow means that there is not enough. If the listed number is in (brackets) it means that there isn't an exact match but something close enough that I deemed it unneeded to look further.. I.E. regular flesh golem for scarecrow, normal ogrekin for the ogrekin zombies and so forth.
If the creature name is in green then you are covered under the 3 boxes that come with pawns (beginner, bestiary and RotRL). If it is in white then you'll need to come up with subs or get the PF Battles minis.
I included every encounter that even had a reasonable chance of happening.. I didn't include any of the 'good' npcs that have stat blocks included but aren't generally meant to fight the group.
There are a couple that I don't have any solution at all for unfortunately. There may be other PF battles series or minis by other companies that would suit but I only looked at the pawn boxes and stuff geared directly for RotRL.. If anyone has any suggestions then please let me know!
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My players are hard to wrangle into a session with any regularity so I need to get my PF fix any way I can :P
I *love* the spreadsheet, both because it shows me what I need, but even more because it points out something I've been on my high horse on ever since I hit Book 2 of RotRL AE: There are quite a few figures/pawns missing even if you have all 3 sets (Bestiary Box, RotRL Pawn Set, WizKids battle case).
This irritates me no end, as the images are freely available for the missing pawns of common creatures (tentamort, tentriculous, firepelt cougar, etc.) and there are some uniques missing (the Scarecrow, for example). After spending nearly $650 on figures and pawns, I still have to make do with paper minis for quite a few of the figures (a quick count was at least 8 of them by early on in book 3).
Add to that that the paper minis *are* complete, and it just seems like no one out there cares that there are some of us with deep pockets who would *love* to buy a complete set of minis or pawns for an AP, but completeness isn't a consideration.
Vent over. Thanks for listening.
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Add to that that the paper minis *are* complete, and it just seems like no one out there cares that there are some of us with deep pockets who would *love* to buy a complete set of minis or pawns for an AP, but completeness isn't a consideration.
I will leave this as an exercise for the readers: if you were to lay out all of the "missing" pawns at the correct size on standard pawn sheets, how many additional sheets would you need?
Add to that that the paper minis *are* complete, and it just seems like no one out there cares that there are some of us with deep pockets who would *love* to buy a complete set of minis or pawns for an AP, but completeness isn't a consideration.I will leave this as an exercise for the readers: if you were to lay out all of the "missing" pawns at the correct size on standard pawn sheets, how many additional sheets would you need?
Just eyeballing it, I'd guess 4 - 5.
Wow -- always, always, ALWAYS work in a text editor! Just lost my post with the full break-down of what was missing.
Anyway, back to Vic's question: For at least one of each, I worked through the spreadsheet and got 13 huge, 13 large, around 18 medium, one small, and one tiny. So I estimate 6 more sheets.
For a 'full playing set' it was another 6 sheets on top of that.
I'm not in the publishing business. Would adding 12 sheets at an extra $1 a sheet be do-able? Or would you lose too much market because not all gamers are as obsessive-compulsive as I am, and would balk at the extra price?
Wow -- always, always, ALWAYS work in a text editor! Just lost my post with the full break-down of what was missing.
Use this to solve that problem.
I'm not in the publishing business. Would adding 12 sheets at an extra $1 a sheet be do-able? Or would you lose too much market because not all gamers are as obsessive-compulsive as I am, and would balk at the extra price?
You also have to account for shipping. The Bestiary Box is extremely expensive to ship overseas, (I think more so than the Box itself,) where the Runelords pawn set was in the normal shipping range.
For a 'full playing set' it was another 6 sheets on top of that.
Yow. Is this doable, Vic? I think the box will still get my purchase once I get a willing group. Pleased to see the bases are being sold seperately so I can DIY some of the rest.
Is there any chance of getting a Rune-Giant sized base any time? Could you feasibly fit a colossal creature on one of the tab sheets?
Wow -- always, always, ALWAYS work in a text editor! Just lost my post with the full break-down of what was missing.Use this to solve that problem.
I'm not in the publishing business. Would adding 12 sheets at an extra $1 a sheet be do-able? Or would you lose too much market because not all gamers are as obsessive-compulsive as I am, and would balk at the extra price?You also have to account for shipping. The Bestiary Box is extremely expensive to ship overseas, (I think more so than the Box itself,) where the Runelords pawn set was in the normal shipping range.
OK. Bless you for Lazarus! EXACTLY what I needed!
And shipping costs, etc., was why I felt Vic's question was extremely fair. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but the basic, "Figure out how many extra sheets it would be. Now figure out how much extra that would cost for us, and how many buyers would we lose," is always an excellent question.
There's the 'OC' me that says, "OK, sell a 'booster' for those of us with deep pockets," and there's the realist in me that realizes that booster would probably run $100-$150 to make up for the tiny number of people who would order it...
And if you use Pathfinder Paper Minis then you are completely covered. Though you have to print and put together yourself.
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And if you use Pathfinder Paper Minis then you are completely covered. Though you have to print and put together yourself.
- I currently have the Battles case bundle. Might get a few singles to supplement as needed.
- Have the Bestiary Box.
- Am planning to get a single copy of the RotRL Pawns before the game.
- I'm currently seriously considering getting the Townsfolk paper minis.
I don't really want to spend a great deal of time cutting, folding, and gluing, but I can probably deal with a single set of papers. I assume this would get me pretty close to a full set?
(I think that the Townsfolk set would be a good set to print as pawns. I, for one, would not be too fussed that the art style is different.)
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If you have the full compliment of minis and pawns that are currently available, there really isn't an excessive amount of paper minis that you have to put together. Especially if you don't concern yourself with cutting out every unique creature and are content with using a generic creature for that particular race (ogrekin, ogres, and stone giants immediately come to mind).
(I think that the Townsfolk set would be a good set to print as pawns. I, for one, would not be too fussed that the art style is different.)
I had no idea this set existed. I hope the art style is closer to the Monster Set: Goblins than it is the Burnt Offerings one, because I'm downloading it now!
Edit: Very happy with the purchase. While I dont agree with every art choice (good lord, Veznutt Parooh) but I am absolutely enamoured with most (especially Ven Vinder. He looks great!)
Yeah, what Hangar said. To fill in the blanks.
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Wow -- always, always, ALWAYS work in a text editor! Just lost my post with the full break-down of what was missing.
Anyway, back to Vic's question: For at least one of each, I worked through the spreadsheet and got 13 huge, 13 large, around 18 medium, one small, and one tiny. So I estimate 6 more sheets.
For a 'full playing set' it was another 6 sheets on top of that.
I'm not in the publishing business. Would adding 12 sheets at an extra $1 a sheet be do-able? Or would you lose too much market because not all gamers are as obsessive-compulsive as I am, and would balk at the extra price?
This set was priced at $15.99 for 8 sheets. We've actually worked out that our price was too low, which is why the Shattered Star Pawns will be $19.99. If we wanted to add 6 sheets to it, we'd probably have to charge $29.99 for the set; adding 12 sheets would probably take it closer to $39.99. Neither of those price points are terribly appealing...
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Is there any chance of getting a Rune-Giant sized base any time? Could you feasibly fit a colossal creature on one of the tab sheets?
We haven't come up with a token solution we like for anything larger than Huge. A 1/16"-thick token looks really anemic on a 4" diameter base. Even if you do a set of interlocking tokens (imagine an "X" shape for the overhead view) to make them 3D-esque, they're still a bit unsatisfying... and two four-inch tokens would also take up most of a token sheet, meaning they'd add a lot of cost to the product.
But even if we *did* have a good solution, adding 4"-round bases to this product (because there aren't any in the Bestiary Box) would necessitate putting *this* product in a box, and a crazy high price.
It is what it is for good reason.
Vic,
Just wanted to say, "Thank you for the honest answers."
Even if you don't like an answer, it's good to have one where someone has a good reason for their decisions.
We haven't come up with a token solution we like for anything larger than Huge. A 1/16"-thick token looks really anemic on a 4" diameter base. Even if you do a set of interlocking tokens (imagine an "X" shape for the overhead view) to make them 3D-esque,
Hrmmm - just a thought - but for the really 'biguns' perhaps instead of a 'token' go for a 'popup' 3-d model - doesn't have to be complex - just something that gives the 'space' with the cool artwork :)
I'd say a 'square' base with slots on each side of the square to take up the space but that would be even more sheets to the mix and thus increase the price - not sure if there is a good solution but if there is I figure you guys can figure it out!
And yes one can hope and dream :)
Is there any chance of getting a Rune-Giant sized base any time? Could you feasibly fit a colossal creature on one of the tab sheets?We haven't come up with a token solution we like for anything larger than Huge. A 1/16"-thick token looks really anemic on a 4" diameter base. Even if you do a set of interlocking tokens (imagine an "X" shape for the overhead view) to make them 3D-esque, they're still a bit unsatisfying... and two four-inch tokens would also take up most of a token sheet, meaning they'd add a lot of cost to the product.
But even if we *did* have a good solution, adding 4"-round bases to this product (because there aren't any in the Bestiary Box) would necessitate putting *this* product in a box, and a crazy high price.
It is what it is for good reason.
I'd thought as much! Thanks for the reply. If I can get my players to invest enough time to SEE a rune giant... well, I figure wizkids can have some of my money at that point. :P
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I'd thought as much! Thanks for the reply. If I can get my players to invest enough time to SEE a rune giant... well, I figure wizkids can have some of my money at that point. :P
I have the WizKids Rune Giant and it is awesome. However, if you still want to go on the cheep, there is a rune giant paper mini in the Paper Minis RotRL Bestiary.
This set was priced at $15.99 for 8 sheets. We've actually worked out that our price was too low, which is why the Shattered Star Pawns will be $19.99. If we wanted to add 6 sheets to it, we'd probably have to charge $29.99 for the set; adding 12 sheets would probably take it closer to $39.99. Neither of those price points are terribly appealing...
I do not see this as a bad price. I am going to buy all the paper minis and that is going to cost me $40 plus I have to print them. Everyone I know would love to just buy something with everything ready to go.
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I do not see this as a bad price. I am going to buy all the paper minis and that is going to cost me $40 plus I have to print them. Everyone I know would love to just buy something with everything ready to go.This set was priced at $15.99 for 8 sheets. We've actually worked out that our price was too low, which is why the Shattered Star Pawns will be $19.99. If we wanted to add 6 sheets to it, we'd probably have to charge $29.99 for the set; adding 12 sheets would probably take it closer to $39.99. Neither of those price points are terribly appealing...
Note that I didn't say nobody would buy it—I'm sure that a bunch of people would. It would be an awesome, impressive product. But a bunch *more* people would see it as too big an investment, and I can assure you that game retailers and bookstores would order significantly less. (And the less they'd order, the less we'd print, and smaller print runs mean higher per-unit costs, so if I'd factored that in, the price actually would have gone higher... And while I'm at it, I also hadn't mentioned the additional art costs for anything that doesn't already have a token-worthy illustration, which also get more expensive on a per-unit basis when you have smaller print runs, because artists charge the same regardless of the quantity you print...)
One of the hardest parts of being a publisher is figuring out the balance between the product we *want* to sell and the product we *can* sell.
For personal use I went through a listed every encounter in the entire AP and then noted which pawn box has what creature and if there is an available PF battles or reaper mini.
There are a couple that I don't have any solution at all for unfortunately. There may be other PF battles series or minis by other companies that would suit but I only looked at the pawn boxes and stuff geared directly for RotRL.. If anyone has any suggestions then please let me know!
Could you post your original data? It would be nice to update this with Bestiary Box 2.
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Could you post your original data? It would be nice to update this with Bestiary Box 2.
FWIW, I made an excel spreadsheet for the minis required for RotRL. I didn't total up how much were available from each source. Hover your cursor over the particular cell in question, and a box will pop up telling you where it's from. Hopefully, it's obvious what they mean. Each book has it's own tab.
This thread was one of the first relevant links on a Google search for a listing of all the Pawns and Minis for Rise of the Runelords.
Has anyone attempted to update the Original Poster's list with the more recent Pathfinder Battles and Pathfinder Pawn collections? (Including the upcoming Lost Coast set.)
I've very interested in seeing this for RotR, but also for other Adventure Paths and Modules.
I attempted to click on HangarFlying's link above, but I have to request access, and my requests have not been granted after two attempts.
Thanks!
Fuzzydice: I also tried a while ago to request access, but got nothing, so I decided to make my own instead. This link here goes to my sheet I am working on.
I pulled the names form the picture on imgur using OCR, but doing the numbers and the names cause a lot of problems, so I only pulled names, and will have to enter numbers and do the coloring manually.
I'm also just assuming that all the info from the picture is right.
The doc is open for editing using Excel Online(I use all Microsoft stuff, so it's easer for me than google docs, sorry). If you contribute put your name on the credits page, and what work you did if you want.
I also want to make a full list of the encounters in book order with what pawn/minis you will need to make pre-planning sessions easier for people.
EDIT: As I've been adding numbers I've noticed some that are wrong, but I don't know all the numbers off the top of my head, so I will have to go over them later. If you find changes that need made, please not it in the credits page.
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This thread was one of the first relevant links on a Google search for a listing of all the Pawns and Minis for Rise of the Runelords.
Has anyone attempted to update the Original Poster's list with the more recent Pathfinder Battles and Pathfinder Pawn collections? (Including the upcoming Lost Coast set.)
I've very interested in seeing this for RotR, but also for other Adventure Paths and Modules.
I attempted to click on HangarFlying's link above, but I have to request access, and my requests have not been granted after two attempts.
Thanks!
Huh, never noticed that. I will try to fix the issue.
EDIT: Hmmmmm, try this link.
EDIT2: accidentally put the wrong link.
I have the setting set to anyone with the link can get to it without having to sign into Google.
Vic,
Just wanted to say, "Thank you for the honest answers."Even if you don't like an answer, it's good to have one where someone has a good reason for their decisions.
Late to the party but whole-heartedly agree.
Still, toss in Elyrium and include one less goblin maybe? Just sayin'...