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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber. Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber. 6,658 posts (6,796 including aliases). 1 review. No lists. 1 wishlist. Aliases: Naitsabes, Heath N. Asson, Aberdog, Whisky Sunset, Nox d'Ghallanda., Sebastian, CEO of Hasbro, James Jacobs., Eric Mona, Mystic 8-Ball, Samwise, Razz., Sebastian., Runelord of Social Injustice, Zoidberg, M.D., Strawman!, Dislocator, Towely.


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A Civil Religious Discussion
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Mykull wrote:
I would be interested in hearing from those wanting to debate/discuss the points concerning Time. Actually, I'd be interested in hearing from those wanting to debate/discuss period, provided they don't disagree with me, because that would make me feel persecuted.

Fixed that for you.

Final Fantasy XIII tomorrow
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

I'm reminded of another problem with VII.

The summons.

It's not just that you can't skip past the animations. It's that they are so stupidly epic. They looked really cool at first, but they grew old after repeated viewing, and their scale never really matched up with the scale of the characters (e.g., hitting people with comets pulled out of the sky). And, they set the bar for future Final Fantasies to have their own epic, over the top summons.

Strategies for large groups and troupe-style play
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

This sounds really cool - I'm a big fan of these types of set ups. I have a more typical sized group, but I was thinking of having them make multiple characters like this ( but coming in as they get to be higher level, with the new characters at 1st level).

Usualy, when I see troupe, I think multiple/rotating dms. Have you done anything like that or do you plan to?

Gaming Kinks - Gishes/Magic-Users Crossed With Warriors are Awesome or Untenable. Discuss
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Flagged for misleading title and lack of pictures.

Healthcare and my mental block when it comes to the right wing take.
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Moff Rimmer wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
I'm generally okay with a non-Frank Miller Batman style vigilante.

I would have figured you for a pro-police kind of guy -- you could give them ponies instead of motorcycles... but, "Quickly, Robin, to the Bat-Pony!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

There. I linked it for you.

You're not helping...

Healthcare and my mental block when it comes to the right wing take.
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Kirth Gersen wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
I'm generally okay with a non-Frank Miller Batman style vigilante.

I would have figured you for a pro-police kind of guy -- you could give them ponies instead of motorcycles... but, "Quickly, Robin, to the Bat-Pony!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Naw. I like terror from the night. It keeps the criminal's afraid - particularly the gangs of thugs with baseball bats and other non-firearms that like to trap innocent people in alleyways. My understanding is that they make up 90% of non-supervillian crimes.

Healthcare and my mental block when it comes to the right wing take.
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Doug's Workshop wrote:
If you're okay with vigilantes determining who should get punished for crimes, then I'm all for allowing police to be funded by a voluntary contribution. Of course, then the rule of law goes right out the window.

Are we talking about Batman or Rorsharch? Because I'm generally okay with a non-Frank Miller Batman style vigilante. But Rorsharch's a little too psycho for my tastes.

Interesting article of 4E PH 3 (Psionics, New Multi Class System etc)
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Pretty much any real cool combo that gets found by the optimizers gets nerfed by WotC errata in a fairly timely manner. In fact if you do have an obscure game breaking combo you had best guard that secret and never breath a word of it - if your babbling on about it high and low its going to come to WotCs attention and you can pretty much bank on your combo being nerfed.


Funny story about that - one of my players had an entire feat (or maybe it was a power) deleted out form under him between character updates. He had an ability that let him retain a warlock encounter power by taking damage equal to the level of the power. He leveled his character and suddenly, the ability was no longer available. It was just missing from his character sheet and couldn't be found anywhere in the charater generator.

Interesting article of 4E PH 3 (Psionics, New Multi Class System etc)
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

A Man In Black wrote:
Oh, FFS, make a new PHB3 thread.

FFS. Nice. Haven't seen that one before.

Interesting article of 4E PH 3 (Psionics, New Multi Class System etc)
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

LilithsThrall wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

For Christ's sake, just ignore the f&!!ing pot shot in the first place and have a conversation about 4e with the people who want to talk about 4e (myself included). And when someone who doesn't like 4e offers to leave because they just don't have anything nice to say - LET THEM f&!!ING LEAVE. These 4e threads would be a lot better if you could just act like adults and ignore the barbs that are designed to get under your skin.

I can only assume that they don't want this argument to stop.


That is a more charitable assumption than I would make...

Interesting article of 4E PH 3 (Psionics, New Multi Class System etc)
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

sighs

Quoth Charlie Brown "Good grief."

I mean, come on. The dude shows up, posts a pretty heavily qualified IMO type opinion with a minor pot shot against 4e. Lord knows the edition warriors can't let a minor pot shot against 4e stand unanswered, so the 4e Hero Corps swoop in and, surprise, surprise, when confronted, the guy gets a little more aggressive in his dislike of 4e. Then, he basically backs off and says "oh yeah, this thread didn't start out in the 4e section, so I'll just leave unless people keep responding to me."

And what happens?

You keep responding to him?

Hooray, edition warrior, this one goes out to you.

For Christ's sake, just ignore the f*~%ing pot shot in the first place and have a conversation about 4e with the people who want to talk about 4e (myself included). And when someone who doesn't like 4e offers to leave because they just don't have anything nice to say - LET THEM f*~%ING LEAVE. These 4e threads would be a lot better if you could just act like adults and ignore the barbs that are designed to get under your skin.

Hex Size
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Oh man, rules for a montage would be freaking sweet!

Montage: By strumming a song, the bard can inspire his comrades to rapidly accomplish a task that would otherwise be insurmountable or train in a new skill, either granting +4 to a single skill or adding 2d4 BP to the kingdom's total. At 10th level, the bard can grant a 1d4 phantom bonus levels to a single participant in a montage. These bonuses last until the purpose of acquiring such skills is achieved. The BPs must be spent immediately or are lost.

Official Call for PaizoCon and Gen Con Volunteers!
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Alrighty, thanks for the encouragement guys. I volunteered for the non-morning slots.

Hex Size
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

How much is 124.7 square miles of pavement in Golarion?

Also, what bonus does the world's largest parking lot grant a kingdom?

Official Call for PaizoCon and Gen Con Volunteers!
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Is it worthwhile to volunteer if you've never done anything with PF Society before? Maybe for a Saturday/Sunday slot after I've had a chance to play a few games myself?

FAWTLY TOWER IV
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Sharoth wrote:
As for cross posting across EVERY thread once we reach the 5000 post mark on this thread... ~shrugs~ I don't know. How upset do you really want to make Gary Teter?

Oh god no. I meant adding together the posts in all of the various FATWL threads to see what the grand total is.

In fact, Gary, you should make a counter for that on the website. Now that wish lists are implemented, you've got all sorts of free time, right?

FAWTLY TOWER IV
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

lynora wrote:

I'm glad that Kellen is doing so much better.

I was discouraged about how things went with Bryce's meeting. But I just have to remember that it wasn't totally pointless. We were at least able to rule some things out. The school can't really do any more for us than they already have, so now we have to try and find some other resources. At least the school was able to help us with the super expensive testing.

Good luck with finding a camp. I know what you mean about them being expensive. It seems like most extracurricular activities are.


lynora, what state are you in? I know in CA, they need to offer more help, and I think other states have similar laws. You might want to look into getting an advocate or an attorney - they can make a huge difference at IEP meetings.

My wife had a funny story about my son's IEP meeting. She's a special education lawyer, so she represents families of kids with special needs all the time. However, she's been very cooperative with our school district because litigation is time consuming, painful, and ultimately not the best solution for the problem at hand. According to her, parents are frequently bullied/misinformed at these meetings.

At the last one, they forgot she was a lawyer and threatened to do something they can't legally do. Her response was "Okay, just give me notice because I will file for due process against you within 24 hours." That got their attention again and helped get the meeting back on track.

Anyway, good luck to you and yours.

FAWTLY TOWER IV
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

WTF? Did you guys kill another FAWTL thread?

And why did it take me this long to notice.

Also, are we aggregating together the thread posts across all the FAWTL threads to see if we reached the 5,000 post goal (or whatever the hell it was that we were trying to do back when this thing went crazy)?

Prep to Run Kingmaker
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

DMcCoy1693 wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
DMcCoy1693 wrote:
underling wrote:
Critical and fumble decks?

Doh! Oh yea. I own both and I bring them with me to our current game. Adding.

I need to get myself a new set of those.

A new set?!? You Crit and Fumble that often that you wore out the decks?!? OMG!

Yeah, we have a house rule that you crit on a 12 or better (no confirmation roll). Then, to make things really interesting, we threw in some MtG cards. Sometimes you also get to counterspell on a critical hit; other times, you just put a 2/2 bear into play.

(Actually, it was a player in my game who had the decks, and his attendence has decreased dramatically since he had a child. But I love the idea of wearing them out...)

Interesting article of 4E PH 3 (Psionics, New Multi Class System etc)
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Argh! The stupid, it burns, it burns.

Please help to make a dumb character
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

They had a racial weapon that was a combo staff and sling and they could taunt monsters and make them attack.

Please help to make a dumb character
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

It's a more annoying version of the halfling. Picture a 6 year old kid hopped up on pixie sticks with no sense of personal property and whose entire purpose is to annoy and irritate the other players. That's a kender. They are from Dragonlance.

Interesting article of 4E PH 3 (Psionics, New Multi Class System etc)
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

OKAY, SERIOUSLY, SHUT THE f!!# UP ABOUT THE EDITION WARS. GO FIND SOME PLACE ELSE TO HAVE THIS STUPID f!!#ING DEBATE FOR THE 982ND TIME.

GOOD GOD, AM I SICK OF THIS s&&!. IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, YOU EITHER LIKE IT, OR DON'T. NO ONE CARES HOW YOU FEEL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND, SO JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

Interesting article of 4E PH 3 (Psionics, New Multi Class System etc)
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

drkfathr1 wrote:
Nah, the Essentials line coming out this fall is 4.5

What is the Essentials line?

Please help to make a dumb character
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

A player in my game last night mentioned the concept of Forest Gump, the paladin. He doesn't really understand what's going on, but has a lot of folksy wisdom and seems to end up in the right spot at the right time. That could work. I never like easily distracted halfing rogues - reminds me too much of kender. Plus, making mistakes like attacking your shadow instead of an enemy strikes me as result of low Wisdom rather than low Intelligence.

Pathfinder RPG Initaitive: When Do You Declare Charcter Time of Death?
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

DocG wrote:
I usually announce it just as the die stops spinning.

One time this Rogue named Black Leaf died from a trap. I did not allow the players in my game to even acknowledge the existence of Marcy, the girl who played Black Leaf.

Unfortunately Marcy couldn't take it any more and hanged herself before she even got a chance to read some Christian literature.


I'm pretty sure that player death upon character death is RAW. Anyone who plays it otherwise is using some form of house rules.

Personally, I don't call death until after I have an NPC examine the corpse and announce "he's dead, Jim." I find that heightens the drama.

Incorporating W1 - Conquest of Bloodsworn Vale
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

I've been thinking the same thing. Bloodstone Vale is probably my favorite module and it seems like there's a lot to steal from it for Kingmaker.

I'm probably also going to relocate the dungeon from Crown of the Kobold King to the area as well.

Prep to Run Kingmaker
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

DMcCoy1693 wrote:
underling wrote:
Critical and fumble decks?

Doh! Oh yea. I own both and I bring them with me to our current game. Adding.

I need to get myself a new set of those.

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

James Jacobs wrote:
Papa-DRB wrote:
My preference also. Also, do something like the old Greyhawk maps and the rows are labeled with letters, and the columns are labeled with numbers.

We came VERY close to labeling the hexes in Kingmaker with rows of letters and numbers like the Greyhawk maps. We decided not to when I realized that the hexes we're using are more than big enoguh to hold that information right there in the map without obscuring details. It's a lot easier to find encounter area "H" when it's clearly marked on the map, after all, than it is to find encounter area "H42" by running fingers down and across hex rows.

Did you move the trading post at the last minute, or did it get an "A" because it is the first encounter of the AP? I thought it was funny that the row with the trading post goes B, C, A, D.

Kingmaker - But I Just Did That! [spoilers, lots and lots of spoilers]
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Thanks James. That's the type of information I was hoping to get from you. I'm glad to know that the plot is mostly focused in AP6. It sounds very cool, but I have been beating the "prime material plane shifted into another plane" horse for about a decade now and really want to give it a break. I'm sure I can modify the adventure or run something completely different, I just wanted to get the big picture so I can start dialing back some of the fey based encounters.

In the campaign I'm running, the PC's home plane is actually exiled to an alternate prime material where the illithids rose up and destroyed humanity (and demi-humanity), but there's also an eladrin city going in and out of the feywild. It's definitely not a perfect match-up, but there's enough similarity that I worry my players will say "Oh god, not this again." I'm probably going to pull out the kobolds and replace them with goblins for a similar reason (kobolds being yet another trope that I beat to a grimy paste).

Edit: Also, call it parallel design, coincidence, or whatever else you want, just make out my royalty payments to "cash," send them on a quarterly basis and we're cool. ;-)

4th Edition Errata
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

If you haven't already bought the books, I'd recommend going with the subscription over purchasing the PHB II and III (and possibly the MMs). Those books are just compendiums of stats. If you get the subscription, you can print out the cards for the relevant abilities and then not have those books at the table, which saves space and reduces your reference time. Plus, you get access to the other content on the compendium with a subscription. The MMs have slightly more value because they include info that isn't available in the compendium (the knowledge checks for information about the creature, typical encounters, and the art), but I find the player oriented books (PHBII, PHBIII, X Power) to be a complete waste of money.

Personally, I can't imagine purchasing any of the player oriented books for 4e instead of getting a subscription. There really isn't enough value in them for me as the DM (or, for that matter, for my players, who typically use 3-5 feats/powers/etc. from such books, print them on cards, and don't reference those books again).

All that said though, the errata tweaks have been relatively light with the exception of the revisions to skill challenges. Those changes are pretty substantive and should probably be printed.

Kingmaker - But I Just Did That! [spoilers, lots and lots of spoilers]
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Kingmaker. But, as I was reading the summary I began to get the sneaking suspicion that the overall plot arc was strikingly similar to one I just ran in my 4e campaign. It sounds like the BBEG of the AP is planning on exiling the whole area into the First World. Is that correct?

I'm hoping not, because if it is, I'll probably want to do some reworking of Kingmaker. If I go that route, I'll probably replace the fey with some type of undead menace, but not zombies/skeletons. I'm thinking more of a corrupter of nature undead menace that focuses on more primal non-human centric undead.

Oddly enough, this is the third or fourth time this has happened to me - where an AP overlaps one of our existing campaigns. Maybe I just run iconic games (or focus too much on the trivial similarities).

Or, maybe it's Paizo's orbital mind lasers stealing my ideas...

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

James Jacobs wrote:

We haven't set them up yet. What would folks prefer? My preference would be to have the maps without the majority of the tags (probably just tags for Pitax and Restov and the major terrain features) along with hexes. That way you can show them to the PCs and let them wander around on them; they'll get to see the terrain features ahead of time but won't know where the actual encounters are.

Sounds about right to me.

Predators
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Why don't you have a seat over there...

Spoiler:

Wait...was that the right predator?

Kingmaker players guide?
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

James Jacobs wrote:

Mass Combat rules aren't going to be out until Pathfinder #35 first of all. But you COULD put anything in charge of an army; all that matters is that their HD + their Cha mod is higher than the army's CR that they command, basically. And you'll need the commander's Charisma modifier handy. That's all you need to know about an army commander.


Out of curiosity, why HD + Cha mod instead of either Level + Cha mod or CR + Cha mod? I've never understood why some things reference HD and others reference level/CR. It always seems to me that basing things off of HD invites abuse (in this case, a low HD creature with a high CR and lots of abilities).

Would Paizo consider acquiring rights to other settings?
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Razz wrote:
Am I saying D&D (and RPGs) in general should come with "Warning Labels"? Honestly, yeah, I wish they did. Not for me, but for the people that heavily invest in, say, 3rd Edition and hoping it will still be supported despite the rise of a new edition. A "This game may change completely upside-down at any moment, etc." so "grognards" won't jump ship the minute the game structure collapses and rebuilds on them. That would actually garner some respect from consumers and increase the consumer base, I believe.

This thread should contain a warning label: "contains stupidity at levels that may be toxic to humans."

Scalemail - Is There Ever a Reason to use it after 1st Level?
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

I was reading Kingmaker last night and saw that at one point scalemail +1 was included as treasure. However, looking at the armor stats I was reminded that the only advantage scalemail has over chainmail is its lower cost. They're both medium armors, so any class that can wear scale can also wear chain. I'd like to avoid a pure math based argument, so instead of asking whether scale is ever better than chain, I'd like to ask about everyone's experience with chain/scale. When you play, do you ever stick with scale once you can afford chain? Do your players always sell scale?

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Anyone have any suggestions on how to shrink down the hex sizes on the map? I'd really like to add in some additional hexes of my own and give the pcs more to explore.

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

James Jacobs wrote:

THAT SAID: Pathifnder #37, the first adventure in the Serpent's Skull Adventure Path, has a VERY strong "survival" element to it and will feature rules for surviving in the wild while at the same time keeping some NPCs alive. But that's still quite a ways off.

You can spoil it now, we won't mind...

Bossing Plants Around ... please help.
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Matthew Morris wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Blazej wrote:

If one were trying to force the plants to attack one of their friends.

Wait...plants have friends?

Yes, this is one of the few traits that seperate them from lawyers. Well that and someone feels sad when you hit a plant with an axe. :P

+1 and the literal LOL.

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Interesting. Will the hexes in the lower half of the greenbelt be populated in #32? Will there be any new icons in the upper half, or are those basically set?

Given that the rules are oriented towards colonization, does that mean there aren't rules for, say, finding wood, food, or a secure camp site?

Quests Do Contain Spoilers
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

I'm skipping around in the volume, but noticed that text states that the quests don't contain spoilers and can be provided to the PCs to help them track their progress. However, they seem to be pretty spoiler-y to me (e.g., the Quest: Temple of the Elk has information the characters will only receive if they succeed in a Diplomacy check). Am I missing something?

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Cool. Thanks Jason.

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

VagrantWhisper wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Hmmm...

Will there be a more detailed set of exploration rules? I was hoping there might be rules for finding/harvesting resources, finding defensible shelters, etc. No big deal if those aren't included, just wanted to check before I started working them up myself.


I think this is intended for James, but for folks without the PDF yet, the exploration rules that I've looked at so far are geared specifically to movement and looking around; not an expansion of the survival skill.

Yup - that's what I saw too. I was wondering if we might see more relating to the survivial skill in future APs.

The Greenbelt Map
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Hmmm...

Will there be a more detailed set of exploration rules? I was hoping there might be rules for finding/harvesting resources, finding defensible shelters, etc. No big deal if those aren't included, just wanted to check before I started working them up myself.

Anticipation
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Fletch wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Woot Kingmaker! Everyone loves to play in the sand!

Sebastian!!

I'd been hoping to catch you in a conversation about Kingmaker.

I've been looking for San Diego Paizo-ers to form a group for the campaign (here) and thought you might either have an open seat or be in search of an open seat.

Sorry to interrupt. You all may now get back to your anticipation.


Hey Fletch,

Sorry about that, I didn't notice the other thread. I am in the San Diego area, but unfortunately I've got a pretty full group at the moment. I wish I could commit to more gaming, but I barely make my current group on a regular basis. I'll let you know if we lose anyone, but we haven't had a new player in 3+ years.

Eyecandy at Work. Should I feel guilty?
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

If they didn't want you to look, they wouldn't dress that way.

Spoiler:

Oh come on, that's funny.

Bossing Plants Around ... please help.
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Blazej wrote:

If one were trying to force the plants to attack one of their friends.

Wait...plants have friends?

Maybe this is another reason the two spells seem weird. It seems like most plant monsters have animal level intelligence (if that). It seems like it'd be a pretty rare situation where you'd want to command a plant creature to attack its friend.

Bossing Plants Around ... please help.
Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Blazej wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
So, maybe the underlying question is: why is Charm Plants 3 levels higher than Charm Person?

I would say that it is because command plants can effect a number of targets and it has a much longer duration.

Ahhhhh...I missed that.

Okay, that makes me happier.



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