Are the items on a chronicle available to us forever or just after that one mission?
Forever I believe. I don't see a level 1 or 2 having the gold to buy the gloves for example.
They're always available if they're on the chronicle sheet! Most chronicle sheets have stuff that you likely can't afford right away but can once you've got more scenarios under that character's belt :)
I have a monk who is saving for a Monk's Robe, and an Amulet of Mighty Fists.
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Looks pretty good, GM Ietsuna - the Prestige Spent, Current Prestige, Final Fame, Gold Spent, and Total should also be completed before sending, as well as the Character Chronicle # - Otherwise, it looks good and seems to be a good resolution for printing and such.
Ok, I have done JAF0's Chronicle. Can someone check it please to make sure I did it right?
Thanks
Ok, Jaf0 and Bearington, if you can get back to me with what you have spent, if anything please I will get those knocked out.
I will spend my 2 PP on a Wand of Cure Light please. Other than that no purchases.
Oh, this is cool. We should also get you all through reporting your event as a scenario!
Then I'd like you to give us feedback on what might help a future run of this (if I ever do another one.) What would you leave out? What would you keep?
1) What were the three best things that helped you learn in GM 101?
2) Any special revelations in your journey?
3) What are you going to run as your first adventure?
No gold expenditures right now but Fran will go ahead and spend her 2 PP on wand of Cure Light Wounds :)
Re: GM 101 feedback - I'll muse on your questions and try to post my thoughts before bed tonight or sometime tomorrow evening after work!
No purchases with gold or Prestige for The Herald.
Imojin isn't buying anything.
Rhasuel will buy a wand of CLW with his prestige points
Hmm - I have a question for you about the reporting part of things. The page of the module where you would have all the players fill things out at a ftf game has requests for gm info... character number for example - is that for which character you are applying your own credit to? And underneath the list of factions for the gm's character, there are boxes with the letters A,B,C and D... what are those for?
Oh I am so glad that you asked about Reporting Boxes! Reporting Boxes came in during Season Five, and have continued.
Many latter season scenarios (but not quests or modules) have reporting conditions that appear in a section at the end called Reporting Notes.
If the party made GM Hmm implode, check box A. If instead they convinced her to GM them all the way back to the Grand Lodge, check box B. If the party entices the mysterious Iron Helixx to make an appearance, you may also check Box C. Finally if the party vanquishes their chronicles and reporting conditions, they may check Box D.
The purpose of these Reporting Boxes is to provide feedback to the ongoing storyline of the campaign about the choices and decisions your parties make. Did they kill the infected Necromancer, or instead heal and redeem her? Did they convince the Prince to join the Society, or did they set him up in his own kingdom? In a way, the Reporting Boxes are our way of contributing to the ongoing story of PFS.
There are no Reporting Boxes for Phantom Phenomena, though.
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Here's Choon's chronicle... did I do it right? I didn't put down some of the info because tbh, none of my online chronicles have had that info filled out for me (chronicle #, starting xp, pp, gold)... should I have done that? If so, let me know and I'll change it. Easy enough to do.
EDIT: The above link is now to the updated chronicle... should be complete now...
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When a GM delivers the chronicle to the player, every section should be complete.
That's a good segue to the next chronicle discussion topic I mentioned earlier... let me go ahead and start typing that up now. ;b
Here's Choon's chronicle... did I do it right? I didn't put down some of the info because tbh, none of my online chronicles have had that info filled out for me (chronicle #, starting xp, pp, gold)... should I have done that? If so, let me know and I'll change it. Easy enough to do.
i'LL fix it and re-load it into the drive.. thanks...
... and done! (see previous post, which has been edited)
i'LL fix it and re-load it into the drive.. thanks...
... and done! (see previous post, which has been edited)
That link is for the trashed file, it says. You may have forgotten to update the url.
hmmm... I put in the new link... at least I thought I did... When I click the link in the post above, it takes me to the new chronicle. I'll try it again....
Try this link - let me know if it doesn't work.
I think it worked. I requested access.
Which is another note, should they be shared so that anyone with the link can view it (if using Google)?
link sharing s/b on now, sorry
Looks good. Thanks, JAFO!
yw!
First of all I would like to thank everyone involved with the GM101 and especially GM HMM. It has been great.
1) What were the three best things that helped you learn in GM 101?
The hand-out bundle was very good. The information in it made me feel more comfortable. Secondly the environment in the group was great. I wasn't afraid to go out on a limb or ask a question because I knew that everyone here is here to help and no-one was going to make a thing out of it. Thirdly, knowing I will mess up, but knowing that ret-cons and the like are ok.
2) Any special revelations in your journey?
It isn't actually as hard as I thought to GM. I think I had one of the easier quests (That Cerebric Fungus was a nasty creature to control, hats off to ThinkingFlesh) but it isn't as scary as it seems. It is fun and I am for sure doing it again. In fact I am GMing my first F2F PFS game next month for my FLGS.
3) What are you going to run as your first adventure?
I am thinking The Confirmation.
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GMOfAnything, here's your Chronicle.
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When a GM delivers the chronicle to the player, every section should be complete.
That's a good segue to the next chronicle discussion topic I mentioned earlier... let me go ahead and start typing that up now. ;b
Question on this if I may (Lurker here)...
At table top games/cons I've always given (and received) chronicles with just the GM stuff filled in. i.e. the player fills in their own initial xp/prestige/fame and the GM fills in the top, bottom and what was gained.
Is this not the standard for PbP?
Another question ref chronicle sheets. I know if player x is level 7 and the table APL is 8, it bumps up to 8-9 tier. Player x would then get 'out of subtier gold'. Now, say some of the gear is subtier 8-9 only. Since they ran in that subtier, do they get access? This one always throws me.
tbh all the chronicles I've gotten at ftf AND pbp games have just the gm portions filled in, leaving the rest for the player to fill in... may not be right, but that's the standard I've seen.
Another question ref chronicle sheets. I know if player x is level 7 and the table APL is 8, it bumps up to 8-9 tier. Player x would then get 'out of subtier gold'. Now, say some of the gear is subtier 8-9 only. Since they ran in that subtier, do they get access? This one always throws me.
You always get the gear for the level at which you play. The reward for facing tougher monsters is better loot!
Okay, I think I've got everything figured out!
ThinkingFlesh, your chronicle is here: (The) Herald
Pretty sure I got my particular event set up and reported correctly but let me know if there are any issues. I'm going to go ahead and mark my section (Manor) as inactive now.
Answers to Hmm's questions to come tomorrow (I promise)!
You always get the gear for the level at which you play. The reward for facing tougher monsters is better loot!
Thank you.
Ok, I have reported. I hope it is right.
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** Note: Rereading this now, it is WAY more rambly than it should be – I apologize in advance of you reading it – I guess I should not type such things up at 3 AM in the morning - But I wanted to make sure and answer things as best I could while I had the time, since Paizo.com has been wonky all day. Hopefully it will not cause more questions than it answers and it makes sense to you guys. **
It is very true that you see a number of GMs who erroneously leave the player sections of the chronicles blank, both in IRL and Online games.
A new GM, usually, learns from the GM(s) prior to them – most often as a player - and if they see the GM(s) leaving those sections blank, they will probably do the same when it comes their turn on the other side of the GM screen. (Heck, in the very beginning, years ago, I did too – that’s what I saw locally.) It’s like chronicle herpes - it infects each new generation of GM as they are born. ;b It was not until I got more involved in PFS regionally, read the guide fully, and started seeing what the OPC at the time and other VOs were doing at national events that I learned the error of my ways.
That is why it is important to break that cycle now - so it does not keep spreading to the next generation and then the next, and so on.
I had typed up a big formal guide for online chronicles to share here – but I don’t think it is appropriate to the conversational nature of this thread on second thought – so we’ll just wing it right now and I’ll save the big long dry post for a more formal PSA to the whole community later on. (Sans Chronicle Herpes references.)
You may ask “what does it hurt to leave those sections blank?”
Most people do not get the “pleasure” of auditing as many PCs as Venture Officers do. Especially in the online region where there are people from all over the world with a mix of IRL and Online sheets – so they do not see just how important filling those sections out with the PCs are to correct record keeping and just how wrong things can go when they do not get filled in correctly.
We’ve spent many, many hours walking through chronicle sheets and purchase records with players trying to fix their PCs that are broken due to bad record keeping. And it almost always comes down to poor chronicle practices as the root issue.
You may also ask “how will players mark purchases if I fill in all the gold/prestige spent sections now?” (I get that question a lot when this topic comes up)
Players should only buy things at a table during a game sessions. Technically, players are not allowed to make purchases between sessions out of the sight of a GM at all.
The Season 8.0 PFS Guild Guide says that GMs “...must be present in order for you to purchase items. This can be done before, during, or after the adventure. All transactions that occur must be recorded on the character’s Inventory Tracking Sheet and the total cost reflected on the Chronicle sheet.”
This does not mean that a player cannot make a list, between sessions, to bring with them to the next session so it can be added to the next chronicle sheet.
It does mean that the chronicle of the current session must be completed and finalized at the end of each session though – nothing should be added or changed after the GM signs off on it.
The next comment I usually get is “but it adds so much time to the process.”
I can only say to that “Not Really.” Once you’ve been doing it for a while it goes quite quickly and adds only seconds to each sheet in comparison to leaving the player sections blank. (I’ve, literally, done thousands of chronicle sheets and boons at this point and I can say with certainty that it barely adds any time at all to the process.)
PFS has a ten step process mandated for filling out chronicle sheets after a session. [See pages 13-15 of the current guide for details]
Steps 1, 8, 9 in the guide would normally have a player physically fill in certain sections of the chronicle sheet before handing the the sheet back to the GM to fill in the GM sections and signing off on it.
As you can all imagine - filling in a sheet at a physical table, with the players physically sitting around it, is a little different than filling out sheets for online games. You cannot hand the sheet to players to have them fill it in as directed by the guide, before you verify and sign off on it. (And sending sheets back and forth to fill out each section would be time consuming and problematic.)
So, for online play we have to do thing a little differently.
Pretty much all of the information you need will be available on the PCs prior chronicle sheet, if they have played anything prior to your session. So asking for the last chronicle they have prior to the start of the game serves a few purposes. It gives you a chance to verify the PCs level and available resources, a mini audit of sorts. It gives you a copy of all of the PCs information – PFS #, PC #, Faction, et cetera. It also shows you all the gold prestige and other numbers you need for filling out the “starting” values of the sheet you will be filling out. (You can also ask for any purchases they would like to make at the start of the session so you have that information as well.)
Then when you send the sheet for your session every section should be filled in and locked down before sending the sheet to the player using the information the player provided prior to that start of the game and the information you collected during the game session. (With steps 1, 8, and 9 completed by the GM getting the information off the prior sheet instead of having the player fill them in themselves prior to signing.)
Finally, see step 10:
Step 10: Review the completed Chronicle sheet and check the player’s math. Ensure that the character has access to any items bought and that the correct costs were paid. Verifying this information now helps prevent errors from going unnoticed on future Chronicle sheets. Once you’re satisfied with the information on the Chronicle sheet, fill in the gray box at the bottom of the sheet and sign (W). For “Event,” write in the name of the event you are playing at—if this is a home game or in-store game, just write “home game” or the name of the store. If it’s a convention, write the name of the show and the year. For “Event Code,” write in the event code associated with your event found on paizo.com/pathfinderSociety.
As you can see, the final step is to verify that all the information is on the sheet is correct. By signing your name on the sheet you are saying “I checked this and it’s all good”. So you don’t want to leave a bunch blank spots for the player to fill in later since you won’t be able to verify it at that point (and your name will be attached to the incorrect data if they mess up since you already signed the sheet).
I know that paperwork is not the fun part of GMing – running the game is – but paperwork is the necessary side effect of a well run organized play system – and a proper chronicle sheet is an important part of making things run smoothly.
We can’t make you do it, frankly – but I promise your little bit of extra effort will go a LONG way if you do.
Here's how Tonya explained this to me:
With in person Chronicle Sheets, it is assumed that the person takes them home, adds the remaining information, and tallies everything back up.
With online chronicle sheets it is very unlikely that the player will download, print, fill it in and re-upload. The sheets have to get filled in sometime so that mistakes are caught. The best time to get them filled in when online is at the point that the GM distributes them.
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Are we going to bust you for filling out a grey boxes only chronicle once you leave GM 101? No. But we are trying to set an expectation and a standard here. What you do from here is up to you, but we wanted to take the time to teach how to do it correctly from the get-go.
Does this make sense?
Hmm
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This all makes sense to me! I think it is easier to to fill out the chronicle sheet fully as a GM during a PbP game since you can ask for all that information up front.
As far as I can tell, filling out the sheet fully puts the character purchases on a chronicle one after the one it would be on if they did it themselves at home. They would still receive the equipment at the same time though, so it shouldn't matter on the player end of things while helping to insure accurate chronicles.
I'll definitely be trying to do this more often. I had always thought that it would either force people to some how know their post game purchases in advance, but you can still do all your shopping post game and then at the start of the next game have it officially recorded on the chronicle sheet you will (hopefully) be receiving at the end.
Is what I'm saying correct?
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That makes tisk sense to me. Thanks for helping prevent herpes!
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That is beary correct.
This all makes sense to me! I think it is easier to to fill out the chronicle sheet fully as a GM during a PbP game since you can ask for all that information up front.
As far as I can tell, filling out the sheet fully puts the character purchases on a chronicle one after the one it would be on if they did it themselves at home. They would still receive the equipment at the same time though, so it shouldn't matter on the player end of things while helping to insure accurate chronicles.
I'll definitely be trying to do this more often. I had always thought that it would either force people to some how know their post game purchases in advance, but you can still do all your shopping post game and then at the start of the next game have it officially recorded on the chronicle sheet you will (hopefully) be receiving at the end.
Is what I'm saying correct?
Here's how Tonya explained this to me:
With in person Chronicle Sheets, it is assumed that the person takes them home, adds the remaining information, and tallies everything back up.
With online chronicle sheets it is very unlikely that the player will download, print, fill it in and re-upload. The sheets have to get filled in sometime so that mistakes are caught. The best time to get them filled in when online is at the point that the GM distributes them.
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Are we going to bust you for filling out a grey boxes only chronicle once you leave GM 101? No. But we are trying to set an expectation and a standard here. What you do from here is up to you, but we wanted to take the time to teach how to do it correctly from the get-go.
Does this make sense?
Hmm
Makes sense. Thank you guys for the clarification. :-D
Okay, Q&A time! *cracks knuckles*
1) What were the three best things that helped you learn in GM 101?
The main thing that helped is that everyone was very patient with everyone else as well as being pretty enthusiastic about learning together as a group! Also special shout-out to the lurkers (silent and vocal) for the additional input and moral support.
The next big thing that helped me learn was...well, actually doing everything. I tend to learn best by doing and so it was very helpful to me to have to actually sit down and read and re-read my section, write the posts, check and double-check stat blocks and tactics, fiddle with the maps and slideshow until I got it arranged to my satisfaction, and then create and report an event as well as fill out a chronicle sheet. Now that I know that it's really not all that hard or complicated to do, I feel much more confident about doing it again.
Third, watching how each person tackled their specific quest (and any questions/issues that came up) was a good learning experience because I got to see 5 other ways of formatting combat posts and handling RP sections!
2) Any special revelations in your journey?
Like Ietsuna, a big revelation was that it's really not that hard to GM as long as you and everyone else is enjoying themselves. I'd been hesitant about trying my hand at GMing for years but I was surprised by just how much fun I had and how satisfying it was to see how everyone responded to my posts!
3) What are you going to run as your first adventure?
The Confirmation. Pretty vanilla I know, but since I still basically have almost no GM experience of any kind, I want to start out with something pretty basic that I'm already familiar with. I suspect if I'd already done some GMing F2F then I'd feel more comfortable running a more complex or higher-level scenario right out of the gate.
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Also, big thanks to IronHelixx for offering some insight into why proper bookkeeping and chronicle-filling is important for PFS. Though I've not done a huge amount of PFS online I can definitely say that I've seen some variation as to just how much information a given GM fills in when they do chronicles. I'll be sure to fill everything in when I do mine!
Ietsuna and Ladile --
Thank you both for your answers!
Hmm
1) What were the three best things that helped you learn in GM 101?
-Chronicle standard practices
-That paperwork (for PFS) isn't quite as scary as I thought. I'd give it a CR 10 or so as opposed to the 15 I thought before.
-I enjoy a good tactical challenge. That's less of a new discovery and more of a confirmation of what I already expected.
2) Any special revelations in your journey?
-That being a tagalong GM can be just as fun as playing!
3) What are you going to run as your first adventure?
I'm not sure yet. I don't have the time to run a game right now so this decision is down the road for me.
1) What were the three best things that helped you learn in GM 101?
... a)learning how to use google drive
... b)proper paper work (ie chronicles)
... c)do spoilers for info like skill check results and how to nest spoilers
2) Any special revelations in your journey?
... That I can do it! That I definitely need some refinement in my online GM skills... I've been GMing since 1974 and I do pretty well face to face, at least my players tell me so, and I ran on irc for many years as well, but it's very different in a forum style pbp!
3) What are you going to run as your first adventure?
... Not sure yet... won't have time til after the convention end of May... but I'm thinking House of Harmonious Wisdom if it's okay to run that pbp. Just played it yesterday ftf, and LOVED it!
1) What were the three best things that helped you learn in GM 101?
2) Any special revelations in your journey?
3) What are you going to run as your first adventure?
I'm actually playing that one now with my inquisitor. It's been interesting so far.