Stormbringer


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What kind of stats would the sword Stormbringer have if it were set loose in the world of Pathfinder/.


Well at a minimum it's got the property rune Animated, and some sort of home brew Vampiric property rune that converts enemy HP taken into slow-burn Str and Con boosts (instead of Temp HP). There's also a good argument for giving it Fearsome.

So you're talking L13 Greater Striking at least, in order to get two property runes where one of them is Animated. For Fearsome added in, L19 Major striking.

If you wanted to stay absolutely RAW, L13 greater striking, Fearsome and Animated property runes, magus class, and use the Vampiric Feast spell in your spellstrike. That doesn't capture Elric's reliance on the sword for strength and stamina, but it's pretty close to the overall effect.

For Elric, I generally think a Fetchling Inexorable Iron Magus would fit quite well.


Are we trying to keep things moderately balanced or simply porting the sword over as is? Because those lead to two very different outcomes.

In both cases it'd be an Intelligent Artifact with both mythic striking and mythic potency. It'd also have a better version of Drink of My Foes from Barrow's Edge, but activated as a Free Action after every succesful Strike and giving you more bonuses than just healing, likely Temporary HP, status bonus to FORT saves and a status bonus to melee damage.

If you go book accurate it'd also ignore Hardness and Item bonuses to Armor Class, and anybody it damages would instantly die.

Liberty's Edge

TheFinish wrote:

Are we trying to keep things moderately balanced or simply porting the sword over as is? Because those lead to two very different outcomes.

In both cases it'd be an Intelligent Artifact with both mythic striking and mythic potency. It'd also have a better version of Drink of My Foes from Barrow's Edge, but activated as a Free Action after every succesful Strike and giving you more bonuses than just healing, likely Temporary HP, status bonus to FORT saves and a status bonus to melee damage.

If you go book accurate it'd also ignore Hardness and Item bonuses to Armor Class, and anybody it damages would instantly die.

Maybe Elric was also MC Exemplar once he found the sword.

Do we know how Stormbringer behaves in another character's hands ?

Maybe Mournblade would be interesting to assess too since it has been wielded by many characters in the books.


I mean Elric (like quite a lot of fantasy characters) doesn't fit neatly into any kind of class based RPG, but particularly not PF2e.

He's not a Magus because he's not Spellstriking or doing anything close. Most of the time he just wins because of Stormbringer, and when he does cast spells he doesn't really "cast" anything, he asks Arioch (or the demons that serve him) to aid him (because they must, due to him being the last Emperor of Melniboné) and they pull out whatever cool thing Moorcock could think of that also solves the problem.

He does use special tonics to keep up his strength, which makes you think of Alchemist, but he's not really an Alchemist in the PF2e sense either.

The best fit is really Fighter (he is a very good swordsman, when he's not in one of his weakness periods) with a ton of extra benefits the GM threw on top because boy did this solo campaign get out of hand!

The Raven Black wrote:

Do we know how Stormbringer behaves in another character's hands ?

Maybe Mournblade would be interesting to assess too since it has been wielded by many characters in the books.

It's never really explained too well, Mournblade and the other Demon-Turned-Swords that appear sporadically seem to all work the same way as Stormbringer, which itself seems to work fine no matter who wields it. People just don't because the swords are intelligent and drive you mad with bloodlust unless you feed them souls, which is not something most people want to deal with...for obvious reasons.


Bishopp5 wrote:
What kind of stats would the sword Stormbringer have if it were set loose in the world of Pathfinder/.

It's a relic that scales its level and power with the wielder, or the plot.

It could also be a PC.


TheFinish wrote:

I mean Elric (like quite a lot of fantasy characters) doesn't fit neatly into any kind of class based RPG, but particularly not PF2e.

He's not a Magus because he's not Spellstriking or doing anything close.

He does use special tonics to keep up his strength, which makes you think of Alchemist, but he's not really an Alchemist in the PF2e sense either.

The best fit is really Fighter (he is a very good swordsman, when

People just don't because the swords are intelligent and drive you mad with bloodlust unless you feed them souls, which is not something most people want to deal with...for obvious reasons.

Agree. Stormbringer spells are all rituals. Dude is just a fighter/alchemist with arcana skill.

I know a bunch of people who don't play APs or society, or came from D&D, or other games, and they are very "not Paizo coded" in the sort of game they like.


While I'm down to read/talk about Stormbringer as much as the next perp, perhaps this should be moved to Homebrew rather than Rules?

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NotADragon wrote:
TheFinish wrote:

I mean Elric (like quite a lot of fantasy characters) doesn't fit neatly into any kind of class based RPG, but particularly not PF2e.

He's not a Magus because he's not Spellstriking or doing anything close.

He does use special tonics to keep up his strength, which makes you think of Alchemist, but he's not really an Alchemist in the PF2e sense either.

The best fit is really Fighter (he is a very good swordsman, when

People just don't because the swords are intelligent and drive you mad with bloodlust unless you feed them souls, which is not something most people want to deal with...for obvious reasons.

Agree. Stormbringer spells are all rituals. Dude is just a fighter/alchemist with arcana skill.

I know a bunch of people who don't play APs or society, or came from D&D, or other games, and they are very "not Paizo coded" in the sort of game they like.

So, White Wolf Elric = White Wolf Geralt.

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Scooting over to homebrew! It's about rules, but they are homebrew rules!


NotADragon wrote:
Bishopp5 wrote:
What kind of stats would the sword Stormbringer have if it were set loose in the world of Pathfinder/.

It's a relic that scales its level and power with the wielder, or the plot.

It could also be a PC.

As much as I kind of poo on the old Spheres of Might and Spheres of Power 3pp rulesets for 1e, they had some conceptually wild character options. My favorite was the hive mind that split over several lower level bodies but there was an option to be a living weapon. If I remember correctly, it sort of turned the wielder PC into a pseudo-gestalt character and let the weapon PC take some actions through their wielder.

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This fondly reminds me of the Bloodlust french TTRPG of yore where you played both a god-weapon and their wielder.


The Raven Black wrote:


So, White Wolf Elric = White Wolf Geralt.

Geralt is who? Am not familiar with the reference. Magic in Elric takes minutes or hours to cast, and he takes potions to survive his condition. He doesn't throw bombs, and he can't "just fireball" (mostly)

Liberty's Edge

NotADragon wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:


So, White Wolf Elric = White Wolf Geralt.

Geralt is who? Am not familiar with the reference. Magic in Elric takes minutes or hours to cast, and he takes potions to survive his condition. He doesn't throw bombs, and he can't "just fireball" (mostly)

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