Adding Leap bonuses to HighJump and Long Jump


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

If a given game rule says to add extra distance to your Leap, but doesn't reference High Jump or Long Jump, does that bonus also apply to High Jumps and Long Jumps, since they are also considered Leaps?


How about some examples


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Something like spry sinews or Crane Stance for example.

The latter does reference High Jump and Long Jump, but only in regards to lowering the DC, which I consider to be a separate effect from increasing the distance of Leaps.

Also, boots of bounding.


It would affect the "Failure: You Leap normally" result of High Jump and Long Jump.

I would probably also allow you to use your normal (and item/spell/stance modified) Leap distance if it is better than what you rolled with a successful High Jump or Long Jump.

But since High Jump and Long Jump are intended to be used instead of Leap when you want to go farther than Leap allows - and mechanically High Jump and Long Jump are setting their distances traveled on their own rather than referencing* Leap distance: no I wouldn't have a bonus to Leap distance also apply to the final result of a High Jump or Long Jump distance.

*: They are setting an explicit distance or using the result of a roll. They aren't saying something like "you jump your Leap distance plus a distance determined by your roll". They reference the Leap action, but don't use the character's Leap distance in their calculations.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

But on a Success it says "you Leap" with a capital L. And these abilities add a bonus when you Leap.

Is it your intent to argue that the character is not in fact taking a Leap subordinate action?

I myself would not add it if the same ability ALSO added extra distance to High Jump and Long Jump (as Dancing Leaf does), in effect doubling up, but I find it hard to believe you don't add a bonus to X when an ability says to add a bonus to X.

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