Amps and Metamagics

[siegfriedliner]

I was wandering do you think there is a signifcant balance need to make amped spells incompatiable with Meta Magic feats ?

Do you think they added that as future proofing to avoid potentially broken combinations in the future. Or are there some "illegal" combo of amp and metamagic that would be broken ?

[gesalt]

Probably likely that they wanted to avoid reach+amped imaginary weapon at minimum.

[Xenocrat]

Amps have ALWAYS not worked with Metamagic/Spellshape. It’s in the sidebar amp trait in the original Dark Archive.

What has changed is the new trigger less free action activation that apparently prevents things like Spellstrike and commanders Slip and Sizzle tactic working with amps.

[siegfriedliner]

True I know but the recent flair up had me questioning if that is the way it should be if there was a genuine balance reason for it. I remember a couple years back being annoyed when was playing a sixth pillar archtyped psychic and was sad I couldn't use touch focus on my amped spells and even then I wondered did the amps need this rule.

[The Raven Black]

Amp are really metamagic/spellshape that applies to specific cantrips but that require spending a focus point instead of an additional action.

Allowing them to combine opens the door to possibilities impossible to assess.

Warp space + Reach spell would give 60 ft additional range for example.

You cannot combine spellshape and amp just like you cannot combine 2 amps AFAICT and you cannot combine 2 spellshapes.

[Kilraq Starlight]

The Raven Black wrote:

Amp are really metamagic/spellshape that applies to specific cantrips but that require spending a focus point instead of an additional action.

Allowing them to combine opens the door to possibilities impossible to assess.

Warp space + Reach spell would give 60 ft additional range for example.

You cannot combine spellshape and amp just like you cannot combine 2 amps AFAICT and you cannot combine 2 spellshapes.

Imagine if you could thought, but only for psychic. That would definitely cement them as the masters of manipulation of cantrips.

[siegfriedliner]

The Raven Black wrote:

Amp are really metamagic/spellshape that applies to specific cantrips but that require spending a focus point instead of an additional action.

Allowing them to combine opens the door to possibilities impossible to assess.

Warp space + Reach spell would give 60 ft additional range for example.

You cannot combine spellshape and amp just like you cannot combine 2 amps AFAICT and you cannot combine 2 spellshapes.

So i have to admit i tend to ignore enitrely the pretty meh amp swapping feats (because for the most part they are terrible) and just see the class as having modular cantrips (like the 4e psion).

So i tend to percieve as why cant one class metamagic their focus spells when every other class can.

If they had made the augment swapping viable and interesting i would agree with you.