A big debate has come up with my group. A player wants to make an Unchained Summoner with the Soulbound Summoner archetype. There is disagreement what the eidolon's subtypes would be.
For an example, if the summoner is LN, then the eidolon also LN, per the archetype. However, the eidolon type the summoner wants is Azata, which is normally CG and would normally have the Chaos and Good alignment subtypes. So, what alignment subtypes would this particular eidolon have when summoned?
* Chaos and Good subtypes?
* Lawful subtype only?
* Chaos, Good, and Lawful subtypes?
* Other?
Normally, a summoner's eidolon is the same alignment as the summoner.
For an unchained Summoner, the eidolon can be one alignment step removed.
So a LN summoner could have a LG, LN, LE, or N eidolon.
An eidolon must be within one alignment step of the summoner who calls it (so a neutral good summoner can call a neutral, lawful good, or chaotic good eidolon) and can speak all of his languages.Alignment: The eidolon is a creature of this alignment. If its alignment is chaotic, evil, lawful, or good, it gains that subtype.To my knowledge, an eidolon has the form of the creature chosen, it is not technically that kind of creature, just looks like it. So it would be a LG, LN, LE, or N eidolon that has the form of an azata (or has extra limbs or claws or wings, etc.). It has the subtype of its alignments, so it would be Lawful and Good or Evil, or it would be neutral and have none.
I'm sorry, but I don't feel that you have read the material thoroughly. You reference the Unchained Summoner, but seemed to have missed an aspect of alignment there. Also, I don't see that you did any review on the Soulbound Summoner archetype.
Is there something about how I've set up this question? I keep getting these kinds of answers where people clearly have not referenced the material.
I think the confusion here is with the Eidolon. Your player wants to summon an eidolon that is an Azata. that's not how it works, he is not summoning an Azata, he is summoning an Eidolon, which he can make LOOK like an Azata. None of the Eidolons stats are based off of the Azata, but on the Summoners caster level, and the shape/evolutions he spends on the Eidolon.
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Not an expert on Summoners, but:
Eidolon (Unchained) Subtypes
Description Source: Pathfinder Unchained
The first time a summoner calls his eidolon, he must decide on its subtype. The eidolon’s subtype determines a number of its base statistics and abilities, as well as its overall look and theme. The subtype also determines what sort of evolutions the summoner can select for his eidolon using the evolution pool. Once the choice of subtype is made, it cannot be changed.
If I read that correctly, an Eidolon gets a subtype, and that has a good number of consequences.
N.B: the Eidolon doesn't get the "outsider (azata, chaotic, extraplanar, good)" type and subtype; it gets the outsider (eidolon azata) type and subtype. The Azata subtype and the Eidolon azata subtypes aren't the same thing.
Azata
Source Pathfinder Unchained pg. 30
Embodiments of the untamable beauty and noble passion of Elysium, azata eidolons have wild and beautiful features. They often take graceful forms reminiscent of elves or fey, but they occasionally appear like lillends, with serpentine tails. Azata eidolons are flighty and independent, and they often have their own ideas about how to defeat evil or have a good time. Thus, an azata eidolon is likely to balk if its summoner commands it to perform offensive or nefarious actions. On the other hand, an azata eidolon in sync with its summoner is a passionate and devoted companion.Alignment: Chaotic good.
Base Form: Biped (limbs [arms], limbs [legs]) or serpentine (limbs [arms], tail, tail slap).
Base Evolutions: At 1st level, azata eidolons gain the resistance (electricity) evolution and the 4-point weapon training evolution (proficiency in martial weapons).
At 4th level, azata eidolons gain cold resistance 10 and fire resistance 10.
At 8th level, azata eidolons grow large, feathery wings, gaining the flight evolution.
At 12th level, azata eidolons gain DR 5/evil. They also gain immunity to petrification and the truespeech ability (see the azata subtype on page 311 of the Bestiary).
At 16th level, azata eidolons lose the resistance (electricity) evolution, and instead gain the immunity (electricity) evolution. They also gain the ability increase evolution, applied to an ability score of the summoner’s choice.
At 20th level, an azata eidolon gains the ability to switch between its normal form and an energy form as a standard action. In its energy form, an azata eidolon is incorporeal and doubles its fly speed, but it can’t make natural or manufactured weapon attacks; it can, however, activate any spell-like ability evolutions it possesses.
Pactbond Curse (Ex): A soulbound summoner’s metaphysical connection with his eidolon has profound effects on both of them. The eidolon’s alignment always matches that of the soulbound summoner, regardless of its subtype. In addition, at 1st level, the summoner must choose an oracle curse, using his summoner level as his oracle level for determining the curse’s effects. Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed. A summoner that gains spells for his list of spells known as a result of his curse must be able to cast spells of the appropriate level in order to cast the learned spell.
Here, apparently, there is an implicit authorization to have an LN Eidolon azata.
But, so far, I have seen nothing that gives the eidolon any alignment subtype.
There were a few changes to the eidolon for the unchained summoner. The chained eidolon does not have a subtype, nor does it gain any. Below are those relating to this issue.
Name: This is the name of the eidolon’s subtype. The eidolon gains this as a subtype, but unless otherwise noted, it does not gain any of the features, abilities, or weaknesses of that subtype.
Alignment: The eidolon is a creature of this alignment. If its alignment is chaotic, evil, lawful, or good, it gains that subtype.
The eidolon does gain the subtype matching its name (in this case Azata) but gains no other features of the subtype including any further subtypes. A normal unchained eidolon would have the alignment listed for the subtype which would cause it to gain the alignment subtypes. But that is a function of its alignment itself not the fact that a Azata normally has the chaotic and good subtypes. But the souldbound archetype overrides the normal alignment of the eidolon but does change the part of the eidolon gaining its alignments subtypes.
Therefore, a soulbound Azata eidolon of a LN summoner will have a Lawful subtype. This is RAW, but a GM is of course free to change this in their campaigns.
Name: This is the name of the eidolon’s subtype. The eidolon gains this as a subtype, but unless otherwise noted, it does not gain any of the features, abilities, or weaknesses of that subtype.
Alignment: The eidolon is a creature of this alignment. If its alignment is chaotic, evil, lawful, or good, it gains that subtype.
I've posted this issue on a couple different venues. This is the best argued post I've seen for this position.