so at 9th level my fighter wants to take Focused Weapon Ex, at 10th level can i take Focused Weapon Ex for a 2nd weapon with my bonus combat feat from fighter? or could i use a normal feat to do it at 11th level?
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you may take the"Advanced Weapon Training" combat feat with the fighter bonus combat feats or normal feats as long as you have the requirements (i think it's to have the class ability of weapon training).
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Pretty much yes (technically as previous poster points out, you have to take the Advanced Weapon Training feat which gives you another Advanced Weapon Training option) though I doubt the efficacy of doing so.
You need to have Weapon Focus feat, in order to be able to select Focused Weapon (Advanced Weapon Training). You also have to have chosen the weapon family for both weapons (which may only be one family) to have it qualify to benefit from Advanced Weapon Training.
So, I have a hard time seeing what benefit you would be gaining.
Because the weapons have to be from the same family (because you've only reached high enough level to choose one family, since you're spending what would have been the second choice at level 9 on an Advanced Weapon training) I have a hard time seeing what you'd end up gaining.
It's also worth noting that unless you're just trying to optimize bad weapons in the first place, that damage boost you would get isn't all that great from Focused Weapon. Going from a d4 to a d8 or d10 isn't nearly as good as some of the other options you can get from Advanced Weapon Training.
Perhaps you should let us know what you're trying to do, and we might have suggestions.
Let me lay down all my cards.
I'm a level 2 fighter right now, my race is Elder Wyrm, I plan on taking Natural Weapons weapon group (family) at 5th level, I already have Weapon Focus Bite(s), and Claws, multiple attack, (DM has spread out my draconic ablilities over the next 20 levels), i have sorcery equal to my character level cap 20 at 20th level.
I was asking because I want to take Focused Weapon Ex at 9th when advanced weapon training options become available. Then use a combat feat or regular feat to take the same feat two more times for my claws and tails rather than wait until 13th and 17th level respectful to take the same feat two more times at those respective levels mentioned earlier.
Of course, I want to take improved natural attack for each weapon Bites, Claws, and Tails. I'm never going to grow in size from medium, so this was the best option i could think of to do damage somewhat comparable to a larger version of my species who normally get to colossal size.
Improved Natural Attack doesn't stack with Focused Weapon (Sacred Weapon). Focused Weapon (Sacred Weapon) replaces the damage die of the weapon, meaning improved natural attack won't work to increase the Sacred Weapon Damage.
i have to beg to disagree with you on that one. The feat specifically says as if the creature has increased in size, focused weapon, and more importantly, sacred weapon from warpriest has a separate chart for creatures of different sizes, and the DM has already allowed them to work together to get me the desired effect.
"The damage for this natural attack increases by one step on the following list, as if the creature’s size had increased by one category"
anyway it seems that you both can and can't do what I was trying to do, I can take a feat, apparently named Advance Weapon Training, then an option that matches my weapon group at 5th lv which will be the first of 3 focused weapon feats, so i guess ill grab one at 5th level, then at 9th level take it again for another natural weapon, then at 10th level i can take the feat version of advanced weapon training again for my 3rd natural weapons?
The feat says you can only take it every 5 fighter levels, am i correct that the 9th level class feature isn't counted toward this?
i have to beg to disagree with you on that one. The feat specifically says as if the creature has increased in size, focused weapon, and more importantly, sacred weapon from warpriest has a separate chart for creatures of different sizes, and the DM has already allowed them to work together to get me the desired effect.
"The damage for this natural attack increases by one step on the following list, as if the creature’s size had increased by one category"
Ultimately if your DM is allowing it then what I say doesn't matter, but the "as if it had increased in size by one category" explains the mechanics but doesn't give an actual size increase. Anyways, no point to argue about it if your DM has approved it.
The feat says you can only take it every 5 fighter levels, am i correct that the 9th level class feature isn't counted toward this?
Correct. At 5th level you take your first weapon group via initial weapon training. At 9th level you could get another weapon group via training, or in your case your taking an Advanced Training. None of that is relevant to the feat, which says you can only take the feat once per 5 fighter levels.
So, at 10th level you could have the feat twice. And that means you could have 3 instances of Advanced Weapon Training options, by using your 9th level choice to select it also.
Advanced Weapon Training = weapon training class feature. Not a feat. Some of these apply feats to entire weapon groups although it is likely your PC will only have one or two due to WBL constraints.
As an Elder Wyrm CR 24(not a PC race) you have other options and should check out the Mythic rules... If you are a Home Brew race at about 15-20 Race Points (med sz Kobold?) You could go with your ability score bonuses, like Con into Kineticist or Dex into Gunslinger...
There are other limitations i did not mention, also
zza ni posted a very interesting feat that uses the same name and is a Combat feat, so there is going to be some confusion there.This home brewed campaign, if you pick a monster race you dont get the monster stats or advance as the monster you get a flat 30 point buy, and you have to pick a class to advance in. Also your monster abilities are spread out over 20 levels at least, i think mine are spread out over 21. So im not all powerful and i'll never become bigger thsn medium size. That being said i went with Fighter filling it allowed me to be as class to dragon like wihtout sacrificing my most of the dragons kit, full bab, high fort, potentially decent ref and will with the right advanced weapon training options, high hp, potentially high AC too.
I don't follow, Azothath. The description text in the Weapon Master's Handbook is, best as I can tell, word for word identical to that used by Archives of Nethys. I fail to see any rebranding. Are you just addressing your own earlier post about Advanced Weapon Training not being a feat?
I've always understood it as the Weapon Training class feature (which can be used to pick up Advanced Weapon Training option) is a separate thing from the feat that is also named Advanced Weapon Training.
I can't agree or justify thinking that the feat restriction about taking the feat once per five levels cares what you did with your class feature choices because it says:
"This feat can be taken more than once, but at most once per 5 fighter levels."
The way that is written, it only cares about how many times you've taken the feat.
And the feat is definitely not the same thing as choosing the AWT option instead of adding a weapon group via Weapon Training.
Agreed, Claxon. The feat only cares about your class feature choices insofar as that (A) you didn't choose an archetype that replaces the weapon training class feature, and (B) you apply it to one fighter weapon group you already selected with the weapon training class feature. In that sense, if at 9th, 13th, and 17th level you pick advanced weapon training features instead of new weapon groups, then the options you have for the advanced weapon training feat at levels 5, 10, 15, and 20 are limited to weapons from that weapon group (or, in some cases, just a specific weapon from said weapon group).
regardless it basically exist to allow fighters to gain options from advance weapon training more often, 3 from the class feature beginning at 9th level, 13th, and 17th, (the one at 5th level im using to select the weapon group: Natural), so this feat which shares the same name is very helpful in expanding my options and quickening my advancement, since i can spend fighter bonus feats on combat feats and a few other similar options, ill be taking that feat at some later point as my 6th and 8th level bonus feats are reserved for Arcane Armor Training, and Arcane Armor Mastery. and my 5th level normal feat is reserved for improved natural attack bites, 7th improved natural attack claws, 9th improved natural attack tails, 10th level bonus feat i guess will be weapon focus tail, and the 12th level bonus feat will begin the advanced weapon training feat, which would be 3 levels after i used the class feature option to finally get focused weapon bites, 13th level will see me take that again for claws, beyond this point
I still don't understand what your argument is, Azothath.
Of course the Weapon Master's Handbook got incorporated into the Core product. The pertinent sections on the Archives of Nethys website--the class feature and feat alike--specifically cite that book. What are we supposed to be seeing, and how does it indicate that a Fighter with sufficient levels can access Advanced Weapon Training options less than the indicated seven times?
And yes, multiclass characters can benefit from the Advanced Weapon Training feat (provided they had access to the Weapon Training class feature to begin with), but only once per 5 Fighter levels.