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You can get cantrips into your spellbook in the other ways you can learn spells, which is this:
"Spend 1 hour per spell rank, during which you must remain in conversation with a person who knows the spell or have the magical writing in your possession."
There's several ways to do that. Here's some examples:
- Pay someone who knows the spell so they let you copy it (or swap spells).- Get access to a spell library, which might cost money or might not depending on the library (students of the Maaganbaya don't have to pay the school to get a book from the library).
- Find a scroll/spellbook with it in it as loot.
- Research it.
That is all GM dependent to one degree or another
Scrolls just happen to be a common source because they make convenient loot and a lot more classes can make use of them than a spellbook, as in a lot of parties a spellbook is basically vendor loot. (Had that happen in a game I'm in right now, where we found a super cool, really thematic grimoire... that no one in the party can make any use of. Big letdown because it's such a cool unique item which is something casters tend to get fewer of than martials, but a bunch of caster classes can't make any use of it whatsoever.)
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Interestingly, if you learn a spell from someone else, they don't have to be the same tradition as you. A wizard could befriend a druid and learn a lot of spells from the druid, who automatically knows the whole primal spell list. The wizard can just ask about all the spells that also happen to be on the arcane list.
Interestingly, if you learn a spell from someone else, they don't have to be the same tradition as you. A wizard could befriend a druid and learn a lot of spells from the druid, who automatically knows the whole primal spell list. The wizard can just ask about all the spells that also happen to be on the arcane list.In this case would the wizard have to get access to primal spells somehow to learn them.
Perhaps anything on them arcane list and primal list can be considered both.
The requirements for the learner of the spell:
You can gain access to a new spell of your tradition from someone who knows that spell or from magical writing like a spellbook or scroll. If you can cast spells of multiple traditions, you can Learn a Spell of any of those traditions, but you must use the corresponding skill to do so.
is that the spell is on the tradition list that you are learning the spell for and that you use the matching skill for that tradition.
The requirements for the teacher of the spell is simply that they know the spell. No mention of spell tradition is made.
Spend 1 hour per spell rank, during which you must remain in conversation with a person who knows the spell or have the magical writing in your possession.
So a Wizard can learn an Arcane spell from a Druid just fine, as long as the spell is known by the Druid and is on the Arcane spell list (which usually means that the spell is on both the Arcane and Primal lists).
I guess to be sneaky the wizard could buy the druid archetype and thus be able to learn primal cantrips as well.
Not sure how the rules work on that.
A Wizard with multiclass Druid could learn Arcane spells from a Druid using their Arcana skill. They could learn Primal spells from the Druid (needed for Uncommon spells) using their Nature skill.
You can get cantrips into your spellbook in the other ways you can learn spells, which is this:
"Spend 1 hour per spell rank, during which you must remain in conversation with a person who knows the spell or have the magical writing in your possession."
However cantrips don't have a spell rank so technically you can't meet that requirement. :)
However cantrips don't have a spell rank so technically you can't meet that requirement. :)No they absolutely do if you read the "reading spells" section. Everyspell has a nameline or header, The spell's name line also lists the type of spell if it's a cantrip or focus spell, as well as the level.
Most cantrips one can normally learn are level 1 and gains additional benefits per heightened level. But there are still cantrips of higher ranks gained from class features. Shattered Mind for example is third rank because thats whats written in its header.
Thank you!
I hadn't noticed that with the remaster the word "level" had been changed to "rank" in the Reading Spells section.
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However cantrips don't have a spell rank so technically you can't meet that requirement. :)No they absolutely do if you read the "reading spells" section. Everyspell has a nameline or header, The spell's name line also lists the type of spell if it's a cantrip or focus spell, as well as the level.
Most cantrips one can normally learn are level 1 and gains additional benefits per heightened level. But there are still cantrips of higher ranks gained from class features. Shattered Mind for example is third rank because thats whats written in its header.
Thank you!
I hadn't noticed that with the remaster the word "level" had been changed to "rank" in the Reading Spells section.
It's one of the nicer improvements. Instead of spells and counteract "levels" being something different than character/monster/item/feat levels but still being called level, now all those 1-10 scale things are "ranks". Saves confusion.