Plated vesk and flight suits

[Random159]

Since you can wear a flight suit as a plated vesk. If you upgraded the flight suit from commercial to tactical would the +1 ac bonus from the flight suit stack with the armor from plated vesk?

[Christopher#2411504]

Bonuses of the same type never stack and both are Item Bonuses.
In fact Armor Potency and Armor Upgraded need to increase the existing bonus, instead of trying to add one. Or they would run into that stacking rule.

[Random159]

No I meant could I just upgrade my flight suit instead of buying runes for my vesk plate armor.

I could have worded the original question better.

[Christopher#2411504]

The best a Flight Suit can do is give you a +3 Item bonus to AC. Exactly the same as Armor itself does on level 1. And worse then the +4 it gives at Level 5.

I does give you Environmental protection, something the build in armor doesn't.

Note that this implementation of Natural Armor is bad. There are two styles to implementing "Natural Armor" in PF2, and this one somehow combines the downsides of both and the Advantages of neither.

[kaid]

Christopher#2411504 wrote:

The best a Flight Suit can do is give you a +3 Item bonus to AC. Exactly the same as Armor itself does on level 1. And worse then the +4 it gives at Level 5.

I does give you Environmental protection, something the build in armor doesn't.

Note that this implementation of Natural Armor is bad. There are two styles to implementing "Natural Armor" in PF2, and this one somehow combines the downsides of both and the Advantages of neither.

Yeah the natural armor implementation for SF2 seems a bit meh but honestly that probably makes sense. You can sport your natural armor but doing so means forgoing environmental protections which are likely much more important in SF2, armor upgrades/mods which is a huge thing to leave on the table. The real only reason to go that route is because you like the concept but it sort of makes sense in a space game having a space suit or space armor is more useful than running around au naturale.

[Zoken44]

are there rules for wearing armor when you have natural armor? I think that needs clarifying. Like wearing a Abadar Corp flight suit would allow you to add in the basic atmo protections, but would that interfere with your unarmored defense?

[Christopher#2411504]

Zoken44 wrote:

are there rules for wearing armor when you have natural armor? I think that needs clarifying. Like wearing a Abadar Corp flight suit would allow you to add in the basic atmo protections, but would that interfere with your unarmored defense?

You can just read the rules on AoN:

Quote:

Your ancestors were the hardiest specimens of vesk, having traveled far and wide while enduring hostile environments. Your scales count as medium armor in the plate armor group. They grant a +3 item bonus to AC, have a Dex cap of +1, a check penalty of –2, and a Strength threshold of +3, and have the comfort and exposed traits. This item bonus increases to +4 at 5th level. You can wear a flight suit, but you can't wear other armor. You can etch armor runes onto your scales, but you can't install armor upgrades.

Unarmored defense is ruined by taking that Heritage. It is Medium Armor.

[Zoken44]

computer I'm on filters out gaming sites, and thus I can't just look at AoN.

Though, that said, I do have a PDF of the SF2e PC. I just didn't think to check the Vesk entry. I didn't realize it through in that one bit of "you can't wear other armor", which yeah, puts them behind until level 5. when you get an upgrade slot in the flight suit and can install the atmospheric protections.

[Perpdepog]

Christopher#2411504 wrote:

Zoken44 wrote:

are there rules for wearing armor when you have natural armor? I think that needs clarifying. Like wearing a Abadar Corp flight suit would allow you to add in the basic atmo protections, but would that interfere with your unarmored defense?

You can just read the rules on AoN:

Quote:

Your ancestors were the hardiest specimens of vesk, having traveled far and wide while enduring hostile environments. Your scales count as medium armor in the plate armor group. They grant a +3 item bonus to AC, have a Dex cap of +1, a check penalty of –2, and a Strength threshold of +3, and have the comfort and exposed traits. This item bonus increases to +4 at 5th level. You can wear a flight suit, but you can't wear other armor. You can etch armor runes onto your scales, but you can't install armor upgrades.

Unarmored defense is ruined by taking that Heritage. It is Medium Armor.

It's also got a few benefits over standard upgrade-based armor too, come to think. Chiefly, you get your "upgrade slot," meaning property rune, slots sooner than typical armor does, since property rune capacity increases with potency, while upgrade slot capacity increases with resilience. The same is true of bonuses from Armor Specialization, assuming your class grants it to you.

And, since you are allowed to wear flight suits, you can always load it up with the upgrade that makes it lose the Exposed trait and have a set of armor that gives you a day's worth of environmental protections with minimal investment.

[Zoken44]

Flight suit does not have an upgrade slot at commercial level. So until you can obtain a tactical flight suit, you cannot participate in no-atmosphere scenarios.

[Christopher#2411504]

Zoken44 wrote:

Flight suit does not have an upgrade slot at commercial level. So until you can obtain a tactical flight suit, you cannot participate in no-atmosphere scenarios.

The Flight Suit does not have Expossed and the minimum duration of Environmental Protection has been set to 1 day. In the first half of the text.

[Zoken44]

Well, I feel like an idiot, somehow I thought the flight suit had the exposed trait. So... there's no problem with unarmored defense then. unless I'm missing something else.

Edit: Actually, this is a good place to ask a question I've always had: If you have unarmored defense, it states that it counts as light, medium, or heavy armor... are you proficient with it if your class doesn't give you that proficiency?

[NoxiousMiasma]

Zoken44 wrote:

Edit: Actually, this is a good place to ask a question I've always had: If you have unarmored defense, it states that it counts as light, medium, or heavy armor... are you proficient with it if your class doesn't give you that proficiency?

Nope, if your ancestry/heritage gives you innate armour of a category you aren't proficient in, you're just stuck running around with bad AC.

[Zoken44]

That's what I was always worried about. Thank you.