Size with Telekinetic Volley?


Rules Questions

Silver Crusade

Do they have to be medium weapons and medium ammo?


so, the item has to weigh less than 5 pounds, which probably excludes anything larger than a medium weapon. It might include large ammunition, but ammunition has a specific list of weapons they would be considered as being fired from, so no mechanical benefit (in fact, probably would do less damage since it would be inappropriately sized ammo)

Silver Crusade

Does the weapon for the ammunition match the size of the caster? Does the weapon firing it match the ammunition size?


Based on the wording of the spell, "The ranged attack is made as if you had thrown the item unless it’s ammunition for a weapon, in which case the attack is made as if fired from," I would suggest it would work based on the size of the caster. The spell explicitly allows the caster to ignore proficiency penalties, but not the improvised weapon penalty, and it is silent on improperly sized weapons. So, the final point is left to the GM: improper-sized weapons can't be used because the spell doesn't say they can be; over- or undersized weapons still take the appropriate penalty and do lesser or greater damage as sized; or ignore the "you" as being specific, and all weapons (within weight limits of spell) do damage as medium sized weapons, so the size of the caster doesn't matter.

For myself, I would probably either go with the weapon damage being as if appropriately sized for the caster (with the proviso it cannot be more than one size category smaller than the caster), or the damage is based on the weapon size with normal rules and penalties for inappropriately sized weapons being applied. Depends on how munchkiny the player tries to be.


Oli Ironbar wrote:
Does the weapon for the ammunition match the size of the caster? Does the weapon firing it match the ammunition size?

RAW - it's always as though from a medium weapon with medium ammunition.

Silver Crusade

Small and Medium are the standard character sizes, but what about in a town of Cyclopes? (let's pretend they invented the spell millennia ago):

Their magic always performs at the scale of a medium creature, incurring a -2 penalty for using the wrong sized ranged weapon with their standard large ammunition and, on impact, it deals damage as a medium sized weapon.

Conversely, if a Halfling learned this spell while staying with them, the spell would fail to fire a bolt from a crossbow or an arrow from a bow because the two-handed ranged weapons are outside of their size capacity.

This is not how magic works in game, or how many GM's would describe the spell failure to a lvl 3 Small caster, and that in total could never be the RAW and automatic spell failure for small casters depending on the ammunition is far from RAI. There has to be something else.


"The ranged attack is made as if you had thrown the item unless it’s ammunition for a weapon, in which case the attack is made as if fired from a heavy crossbow (if a bolt), a halfling sling staff (if a sling bullet), a blowgun (if a blowgun dart), a composite longbow with a +2 Strength rating (if an arrow), an atlatl (if an atlatl dart), or a pistol (if a firearm bullet). "

RAW: since the spell makes no mention of small or large weapons, then it can only use standard weapons, which would be medium ones.

any size creature casting this spell, would use the stats for a medium weapon.


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