Embrace Nothingness


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Did they make this focus spell more powerful?

From what I read, you can fight in this form with full ability. Am I reading this right or am I missing something?

You get physical resistance equal to level
Concealed when taking move actions. Invisible when not making move actions up and including attacking?
Move in all directions at half speed and through solid objects?

Is this right?


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That looks about right, Since it no longer references Ethereal Jaunt it no longer has the restriction of making you unable to affect the material plane. In exchange creatures can now also affect you during this ability.


It looks like it is quite a bit different than the Legacy version. I don't think it is more powerful though.

I also don't think it is more powerful than other 9th Rank focus spells like Storm Lord.

Ancestral Form compares fairly closely. Ancestral Form has lower damage reduction that doesn't scale but it applies to more damage types, and you can move faster and with pretty much the same maneuverability. Embrace Nothingness doesn't have the restrictions on casting spells, using items, or making attacks and it gives the invisibility/concealed condition. But Ancestral Form is also only a 6th Rank spell instead of a 9th Rank spell.


Finoan wrote:

It looks like it is quite a bit different than the Legacy version. I don't think it is more powerful though.

I also don't think it is more powerful than other 9th Rank focus spells like Storm Lord.

Ancestral Form compares fairly closely. Ancestral Form has lower damage reduction that doesn't scale but it applies to more damage types, and you can move faster and with pretty much the same maneuverability. Embrace Nothingness doesn't have the restrictions on casting spells, using items, or making attacks and it gives the invisibility/concealed condition. But Ancestral Form is also only a 6th Rank spell instead of a 9th Rank spell.

One important note however is that unlike Ancestral form Embrace Nothingness is not a Sustained effect, doesn't force you to use one action per turn to stay afloat and lets you pass trough solid objects.

In practice I find Embrace Nothingess to be a MAJOR improvement to its legacy version in which essentially was a Monks bailout button to leave the rest of combat to their allies since Empty Body could not be dismissed and had a duration. Since with the exception of Ki-spells the Monk had no way to attack from the etheral plane to my knowledge.


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This is a very powerful ability. Invisibility combined with physical damage resistance. It's a no brainer ability to take. Better than Qi Body if you already have a way to fly.


Well, I don't really have a lot of points of comparison with other 9th rank effects, but this really does seem very cool :) With no visible drawbacks (apart from speed, but at that level a monk should have plenty of it). I guess that's what 9th rank can give you.


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Gives off some pretty cool Predator vibes, where you only become visible during movement.

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