Double ACP to Swim - Did I imagine it?

[glass]

I have, for the last decade plus, been convinced that the ACP was doubled for the Swim skill. But I just went looking for it and I cannot find it.

So, as the title says, did I imagine it?

(And if not, where is the rule?)

[Java Man]

3.5 had that rule. I'm 90% sure PF does not.

[Taja the Barbarian]

D&D3.0 Swim had a '-1 penalty per 5lbs of gear you are carrying or wearing' instead of the normal armor check penalty.
D&D3.5 Swim had double the normal armor check penalty and encumbrance penalty.
PF1 Swim just has the normal Armor Check Penalty / Encumbrance Penalty.

[glass]

Thanks folks. I've been doing that wrong for nearly sixteen years. Although TBF I do not think I have ever had a heavily armoured character need to make a swim check, so it hasn't made that much difference.

In my defence, part of the reason I thought that was that the Excel character sheet I have been using doubles the ACP, so whoever created that sheet made the mistake first.

[TxSam88]

glass wrote:

Thanks folks. I've been doing that wrong for nearly sixteen years. Although TBF I do not think I have ever had a heavily armoured character need to make a swim check, so it hasn't made that much difference.

In my defence, part of the reason I thought that was that the Excel character sheet I have been using doubles the ACP, so whoever created that sheet made the mistake first.

If it's the same spreadsheet I used early on, then it was written when pathfinder was still mostly 3.5

[glass]

TxSam88 wrote:

If it's the same spreadsheet I used early on, then it was written when pathfinder was still mostly 3.5

I wonder if it is actually the same one.

How can I describe it? It uses a lot of very tiny cells and merges them a lot, which makes it kinda hard to edit (which has not stopped me hacking it a fair amount over the years). The font is generally Goudy Old Style, except for the character's name which is Freestyle Script. Labels like "BAB" are white text on black (I would comment on the other colours, but I think I have changed some of them over the years).

A friend emailed it to me, sufficiently long enough ago that I have forgotten exactly how long. Possibly during the playtest era. I don't know where they got it from.

Now I am wondering: Can anyone remember if they Alpha or Beta of PF1 still doubled the ACP for Swim?

[TxSam88]

so, mine has multiple tabs before you get to the actual character

Legal
What is this Thing
FAQ
Customization
Getting Started Etc.

Looks like it was written around 2009-2010

[glass]

TxSam88 wrote:

so, mine has multiple tabs before you get to the actual character

Legal
What is this Thing
FAQ
Customization
Getting Started Etc.

Looks like it was written around 2009-2010

Seems like the right era, but mine did not have any of those extra tabs (although I suppose it is possible someone else stripped them out before it got to me).

[Azothath]

historical, but
Swim 3.5
ArmrChkPenalty 3.5
Carrying Capacity > weight: ... If your character is wearing armor, use the worse figure (from armor or from load) for each category. Do not stack the penalties.

so like RAW; under a basic description, in it's own paragraph, there's a bit people overlooked. I'd have to get out my books to see if it is worded/formatted the same way. People get lost in the weeds(details), happens to me too.

LOL, IMO PF1 was mostly a cut & paste job with a tense change and then simplification. Corrections/updates etc flowed for about 2 years.