Two similar feats with the level two feat feeling much stronger than the level 6 one


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I'll just post this here since the survey doesnt include text:

The level 6 feat "tactical team up" seems straight up worse than the level 2 feat "coordinated fire". Coordinated fire allows for two actions you and your drone or turret to each make an attack at the same MAP (dont know why this applies to drone since you dont share MAP). The damage gets combined (which seems to be the only benefit this feat gives drones). The level 6 feat tactical teamup applies only to turrets. It also allows you to make one attack each for two actions, but they apply MAP normally. Your attack needs to be the secone one, but the target is off guard against it. Mathematically, using the same MAP is a lot better than gaining off guard on the second attack. It also doesnt combine damage. The feats themselves feel rather similar, but i dont think a level 2 classfeat should outclass a level 6 one. Maybe coordinated Fire should be Turret only and Tactical Team up would work better as a Drone only feat.


The only way tactical team up might make sense is if you have a high chance to hit on your second shot and the target has a big weakness you want to trigger twice in one round. Not worth it.


Honestly they just need the same wording and it fixes itself basically. By same wording I mean you make 2 attacks at the current MAP and this counts as 2 attacks at the end bit. However the question is rather or not off-guard would be stronger then 2 attacks that are considered one attack.


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On a related note, it is a little weird how coordinated fire works with Drone as opposed to a turret. It makes sense that both subclasses have access to it and its a neat "teamwork" style ability which I think are always cool but spending two actions to let your companion make an extra strike feels very redundant in my opinion since you can command them to make two strikes or even use two of your actions regularly to give them three. It feels like for the Turret, this ability works great, essentially ranged double slice, and works well with the Turret sharing MAP with you and not being a proper minion, but it doesnt quite work as well for the Drone. I feel like in cases like this, it would be to each subclass's benefit to have a slightly different effect (kind of like how the multidisciplinary mechanic feat has the three discipline options nested under the one feat. I could see there being an alteration for drones specifically under there to make it work better)


If you take it has RAW I don't think this increases your Drone's MAP unlike with the Turret. This is most likely not intentional as RAI but like Drones hav3e even less stats then Animal Companions so it only makes sense.


It definitely doesn't affect the drone's MAP. So you Coordinated Fire for you and drone to each Strike (your MAP is now -10), then you Command the Drone to strike twice at 0/-5 MAP.

Three actions gets you 0/0/0/-5 strikes, but three of strikes, and two of the MAPless ones, are from the drone who will lack item bonuses and higher proficiency at many levels.


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Xenocrat wrote:

It definitely doesn't affect the drone's MAP. So you Coordinated Fire for you and drone to each Strike (your MAP is now -10), then you Command the Drone to strike twice at 0/-5 MAP.

Three actions gets you 0/0/0/-5 strikes, but three of strikes, and two of the MAPless ones, are from the drone who will lack item bonuses and higher proficiency at many levels.

My reading was that it definitely does increase your drone's MAP... if you make the "mistake" of not commanding your drone first. "This counts as two attacks when calculating your multiple attack penalty." It doesn't say anything about what you do when calculating your drone's MAP, so it just checks how many attacks the drone has made that round.

Regardless, it could use some cleanup on the wording. Any disagreement on impacting MAP isn't important, because you can just start by commanding your drone.


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Came here to post this exact thing. Read and re-read it many times and got second opinions and could not figure out why you would ever take Tactical Team-up. I honestly wondered if the levels were accidentally reversed. If Tactical was level 2 and coordinated fire was 6 that might make more sense?

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