Fey Form 1 and size bonuses


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The spell Fey Form 1 says:
Small Fey: If you assume this form, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity and Constitution scores.

Medium Fey: If you assume this form, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength and Constitution scores.

Several questions:
1) If I choose Small, besides the +2 size bonus to DEX and CON, I also become Small. Becoming small generally gives you a +2 size bonus to Dexterity, a –2 size penalty to Strength (to a minimum of 1), and a +1 bonus on attack rolls and AC due to its reduced size. Do I take these additional bonuses/penalties as well as what is listed?
2) It lists all the abilities that you will get if the fey you transform into also has it. However, it never explicitly says you get all its attacks. If I take the form of a Boggle, do I get a bite, gore and 2 claws? And are these at the same damage die (d6 for gore and d4 for the rest). Usually small creatures have claws that do d3.
3) I'm already a medium creature. Why does changing to a Medium Fey give me size bonuses to Str and Con?

If it matters, I'm playing PFS with a Shifter (Fey Form archetype) and their major form behaves as Fey Form spell.
Thanks!

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This appears to be a Pathfinder 1 question rather than Pathfinder 2: I've flagged it to be moved.

The key thing to do here is review the Polymorph subschool rules: You will absolutely need to understand them.

talon74 wrote:

The spell Fey Form 1 says:

Small Fey: If you assume this form, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity and Constitution scores.

Medium Fey: If you assume this form, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength and Constitution scores.

Several questions:
1) If I choose Small, besides the +2 size bonus to DEX and CON, I also become Small. Becoming small generally gives you a +2 size bonus to Dexterity, a –2 size penalty to Strength (to a minimum of 1), and a +1 bonus on attack rolls and AC due to its reduced size. Do I take these additional bonuses/penalties as well as what is listed?

"If a polymorph spell causes you to change size, apply the size modifiers appropriately, changing your armor class, attack bonus, Combat Maneuver Bonus, and Stealth skill modifiers. Your ability scores are not modified by this change unless noted by the spell."

talon74 wrote:
2) It lists all the abilities that you will get if the fey you transform into also has it. However, it never explicitly says you get all its attacks. If I take the form of a Boggle, do I get a bite, gore and 2 claws? And are these at the same damage die (d6 for gore and d4 for the rest). Usually small creatures have claws that do d3.

"In addition to these benefits, you gain any of the natural attacks of the base creature, including proficiency in those attacks. These attacks are based on your base attack bonus, modified by your Strength or Dexterity as appropriate, and use your Strength modifier for determining damage bonuses."

talon74 wrote:
3) I'm already a medium creature. Why does changing to a Medium Fey give me size bonuses to Str and Con?

Because magic is funny that way...

talon74 wrote:

If it matters, I'm playing PFS with a Shifter (Fey Form archetype) and their major form behaves as Fey Form spell.

Thanks!


That is helpful. Thank you!

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Thread has been moved to the proper place! Thank you for your help, Taja!


Fey Form 1:T4
Magic Basics and scroll down for the schools and transmutation(polymorph).
Magic Item Body Slots(MIBS & MIBS for PFS) for non-humanoids set what does and does not meld in a polymorph. Note that manufactured weapon and wand use is also set for familiars in the PFS FAQ link.
The Ring of Eloquence [ring] $3500 is key to polymorphing and verbal components without Beastspeak:D2 or ability/feat like Natural Spell feat.
Lastly, there's Polymorphamory document, a guide to shapeshifting and polymorph usage.

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