Hey friends, can you point me to some good sources on Chelaxian noble families?


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I want to name a Chelaxian outcast from a noble family, and I'd like to get close to the style. I figure that in amongst the various Chelaxian APs there has got to be a good backmatter article that I can access.

(As a VC from Organized Play, I have all Paizo content in my downloads... somewhere. I just need to be pointed in the right direction.)

Hmm


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Hey! I want to say that I remember reading some stuff about noble titles and families in Cheliax, the Infernal Empire from 1e. The Cheliaxan ethnicity section in 1e’s Inner Sea World Guide at first glance doesn’t seem helpful but at least a few of the surnames listed there are noblility’s surnames like Thrune and Charthagnion. In Godsrain, they reference House Tanessen and Grulios. I vaguely know one of the Cheliax APs has an article on House Thrune specifically, but I don’t know what else they might say about other noble lines there. I hope this is remotely helpful!


I know there's also some good discussion on Chelaxian nobility in the Hell's Rebels adventure path, since they form the core of early opposition to the Silver Ravens in Kintargo, but I sadly don't know which book you'd find them in. They might be in the player's guide?


I believe the Hell's Rebel AP describe the Kintaro noble household quite a lot, both in the free player guide and then in more detail latter in the AP (the third volume I think, the one where the PCs are supposed to gather support). Likewise, Hell's Vengeance fourth volume talk quite a lot about the noble in Egorian (Cheliax capital), and I think may be the best reference to see the dynamic of nobles in cheliax. unfortunately, I don't think there's a backmatter article specifically about cheliaxian nobility, so you'll have to scour the "social chapters" to see all the info you can scrap.

Maybe some campaign book like "Cheliax, the infernal empire" could also give you the info you want, but I don't have it so I'm not sure.

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Perpdepog wrote:
I know there's also some good discussion on Chelaxian nobility in the Hell's Rebels adventure path, since they form the core of early opposition to the Silver Ravens in Kintargo

No they do not. They are mostly non-factors in the first two books (one dispossessed failson is an important ally), and most houses become extremely important supporters (in that gaining their allegiance is a source of "supporters," the mechanical driver of rebellion advancement) in Book 3. There is some token and loyal opposition from a few holdouts in Book 5.

Book 3 of Hell's Rebels contains some cursory information about the Kintargo noble houses (some words about the family patri-/matriarchs in the city and their most important economic interests), but these are largely not applicable to their Chelaxian cousins.

OP, you might have better luck looking into Council of Thieves, or Hell's Vengeance, or Cheliax the Infernal Empire, for information. Generally speaking, the theme around Chelaxian nobility is that they are about as politically neutered as a class as, say, the French aristocracy under Louis XIV, and for the same reason: while unable to truly divest itself of the trappings of vassalage and manorialism without a popular revolution, Cheliax is a mercantile/manufacturing/early capitalist economy equipped with a strong administrative state that empowers its bureaucrats (variously drawn from the old nobility on an individual basis, "ennobled" with "para-" titles, or simply on state salary) and its army over the nobles and their vestigial retinues. The literary portrayal of the Chelaxian nobility draws heavily from Balzac, in that they are by and large historically outmoded by the rising bourgeoisie and both uncomfortably and ironically aware of that fact. The ones who remain successful do so as bureaucrats, or as bourgeois in all but name.


zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Book 3 of Hell's Rebels contains some cursory information about the Kintargo noble houses (some words about the family patri-/matriarchs in the city and their most important economic interests), but these are largely not applicable to their Chelaxian cousins.

That's it, book 3. Thanks.

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

I want to name a Chelaxian outcast from a noble family, and I'd like to get close to the style. I figure that in amongst the various Chelaxian APs there has got to be a good backmatter article that I can access.

(As a VC from Organized Play, I have all Paizo content in my downloads... somewhere. I just need to be pointed in the right direction.)

Hmm

Its not for Cheliax but there is a lot of information on Taldan Noble houses in War for the Crown. And they're pretty similar really (almost as if they were once part of the same Empire or something :-))

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Oooh.. I could use a Para- title. Options, yay! And the idea of looking in on War for the Crown names is also a good one.


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I do have to point out that "para-" titles are apparently non-hereditary, meaning that your outcast can't come from a noble line of para-something.

However, a character that is the child of some Count or something, that was disowned for some reason but then given the title of "Paracount" by the Thrune could create some juicy family dynamics. It could also be a way for the Thrune to publicaly insult a familly while remaining perfectly cordial, by visibly getting involved in their private business to reward their black sheep.

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Scarablob wrote:

I do have to point out that "para-" titles are apparently non-hereditary, meaning that your outcast can't come from a noble line of para-something.

However, a character that is the child of some Count or something, that was disowned for some reason but then given the title of "Paracount" by the Thrune could create some juicy family dynamics. It could also be a way for the Thrune to publicaly insult a familly while remaining perfectly cordial, by visibly getting involved in their private business to reward their black sheep.

Yeah, think of para-nobles as British Life Peers.

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