Magus Spell DCs

[Nyarlathotep]

Hey all,

Dumb question for you - how is a Magus's spell DC calculated is Remastered?

If I have a 1st level Magus, trained in spellcasting, with a dex of +4 and an intelligence of +1 is their spell dc 17 or 14?

[Gisher]

It works the same way that it did before the remaster.

Player Core, pg. 461 wrote:

Spell DC = 10 + spellcasting attribute modifier + proficiency bonus + other bonuses + penalties

In this case we have...

Spellcasting Attribute Modifier = Int = +1

and

Proficiency Bonus = Level + 2 = 1 + 2 = +3.

So Spell DC = 10 + 1 + 3 = 14.

How were you getting 17 as a possibility?

[Tridus]

It's 14, as Gisher pointed out, and your Spell Attack modifier is +4.

Your attack roll with Spellstrike is +7 (assuming you're using a weapon that can use that DEX) as it uses STR/DEX as appropriate, but your spell DC always uses INT.

This didn't change.

[Nyarlathotep]

Thanks,

I was confident that the dc for spells was still intelligence based but one of my players thinks it’s tied to whatever the key attribute was.

[Finoan]

Magus: Arcane Spellcasting wrote:

Some of your spells require you to attempt a spell attack roll to see how effective they are, or have your enemies roll against your spell DC (typically by attempting a saving throw). Your spell attack rolls and spell DCs use your Intelligence modifier.

As noted earlier, Spellstrike uses your Strike result. Which will most likely be STR or DEX attribute.

Direct spellcasting of spell attack roll spells or any save DC spells (including Expansive Spellstrike), are INT.

[Errenor]

Nyarlathotep wrote:

Thanks,

I was confident that the dc for spells was still intelligence based but one of my players thinks it’s tied to whatever the key attribute was.

This only means they haven't read the class, it's explicitly written (for all classes): "Your spell attack rolls and spell DCs use your Intelligence modifier. Details on calculating these statistics appear in Spell Attack Roll. "

[Easl]

Errenor wrote:

it's explicitly written (for all classes): "Your spell attack rolls and spell DCs use your Intelligence modifier. Details on calculating these statistics appear in Spell Attack Roll. "

I'm guessing the player mashed up bits of the spellstrike mechanic description with regular casting in their mind.

[Nyarlathotep]

Thanks all!