Fan-Bearer at the King's Right Hand

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Do a character designed by the feat Fan-Bearer at the King's Hand benefits from the second part of the Shabti Resist Level Drain racial trait?

Resist Level Drain (Ex) wrote:

Resist Level Drain (Ex): A shabti takes no penalties from energy drain effects, though it can still be killed if it accrues more negative levels than it has Hit Dice. After 24 hours, any negative levels a shabti takes are automatically removed without the need for additional saving throws.

Put in bold for convenience.

And does it remove permanent negative levels after 24 hours too? (For a Shabti, and for the designed character if he benefits from the second part.)

[zza ni]

I'd say yes to both, but he must stay within range for the whole time. As this ability doesn't remove the negative levels before 24 hours he would still gain them and the suppression effect only work while he is close by.

He can chose to leave your side, suffer the entire penalties and come back where you can use a swift action to again suppress the penalties. and if you are close to him when the 24 hours pass and use the feat before hand (And he stay close until after the save roll time) he would automatically negate the negative levels then and won't need to roll against making them permanent.

Do note that going back and forth will not heal the damage he take to his current and maximum hp from negative levels. So if he was protected and moved away he lose 5 hp from his current and maximum hp per negative level, and coming back (and re-using the feat as swift action) won't automatically heal that damage. (his maximum hp will rise back up but not his current)

[Conde]

zza ni wrote:

I'd say yes to both, but he must stay within range for the whole time. As this ability doesn't remove the negative levels before 24 hours he would still gain them and the suppression effect only work while he is close by.

He can chose to leave your side, suffer the entire penalties and come back where you can use a swift action to again suppress the penalties. and if you are close to him when the 24 hours pass and use the feat before hand (And he stay close until after the save roll time) he would automatically negate the negative levels then and won't need to roll against making them permanent.

Do note that going back and forth will not heal the damage he take to his current and maximum hp from negative levels. So if he was protected and moved away he lose 5 hp from his current and maximum hp per negative level, and coming back (and re-using the feat as swift action) won't automatically heal that damage. (his maximum hp will rise back up but not his current)

What if they were already permanent. Let's say you just raised a character from the dead. Then target him with the feat, stay adjacent for 24 hours.

Would the Permanent Negative Levels be removed as well?

[zza ni]

nop, because he didn't gain them when the ability was up.
it say any neg level he 'gain' (as in actively while this work). not 'gained'. he would not suffer the penalty of having a negative level when he is under the feat's effect but the roll to lose or gain the permanent level is once and only once. if he missed that and gained a permanent neg level it is permanent (until restoration kick in etc).

shabti themselves can gain negative levels. they just don't take the penalties for them (and die when they hit the limit). the ability to not roll and auto save to not make a temp neg level into a permanent one does not prevent them from gaining permanent neg levels from other sources (like being raised for example)

the words:
"After 24 hours, any negative levels a shabti takes are automatically removed without the need for additional saving throws"

are somewhat misleading, but they talk only about temp nag levels. (as the proof is in the part about 'without the need for additional saving throws' which is the rule for temp nag levels turning into permanent ones. permanent nag levels don't offer saves to remove)

[Conde]

zza ni wrote:

nop, because he didn't gain them when the ability was up.

it say any neg level he 'gain' (as in actively while this work). not 'gained'. he would not suffer the penalty of having a negative level when he is under the feat's effect but the roll to lose or gain the permanent level is once and only once. if he missed that and gained a permanent neg level it is permanent (until restoration kick in etc).

shabti themselves can gain negative levels. they just don't take the penalties for them (and die when they hit the limit). the ability to not roll and auto save to not make a temp neg level into a permanent one does not prevent them from gaining permanent neg levels from other sources (like being raised for example)

the words:
"After 24 hours, any negative levels a shabti takes are automatically removed without the need for additional saving throws"

are somewhat misleading, but they talk only about temp nag levels. (as the proof is in the part about 'without the need for additional saving throws' which is the rule for temp nag levels turning into permanent ones. permanent nag levels don't offer saves to remove)

Thank you for the clarifications. My understanding of the feat was indeed too good to be true.