Elementalist and other Spellcasting Archetypes


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


What is the real point of the Elementalist Archetype if you are a Druid or other primal caster? I can see a case argument if you are a Wizard or another form of Arcane Caster. Well we are on this topic, what is the benefit of some of the other Spll-caster Archetypes added in the Secrets of Magic?


Basically allows to get Druid's Elemental Orders Focus Spells to Elemental Sorcerers.

For example combustion is pretty good offensive spell vs fortitude to take at level 6 and will get the bloodline dmg bonus into it. Yet I still understand that the trade-off may not worth specially when you looses the healing spell. But if you don't care about most supportive spells of primal tradition may worth for you.

For Druids it simply doesn't worth at all.


How does it benefit Arcane casters if I may ask?


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Depends on what arcane caster you're talking about, whether they're feeling better about a focus spell option they gain (a lot of the wizard focus options aren't very popular, for example), and what interest they have in the other feats in the archetype. Just going from arcane list to elementalist list is generally a downgrade.

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ElementalofCuteness wrote:
How does it benefit Arcane casters if I may ask?

There are pros and cons.

Con: a small spell list. Only elemental spells and a few support spells.
Pro: that small list doesn't care about original tradition.

But the most interesting one is the curriculum: with the remaster most wizard curriculae are 2-3 spells per level, but the elementalists has all spells from their favorite element in their curriculum. Potentially that means you get more mileage out of your bonus slots.

I dunno if that really outweighs the cons of the narrow scope of the overall spell list, but it's a thing at least.


Elementalist suffers really badly from the fact that most of the iconic elemental spells are already on one or both of the arcane and primal lists, which means by design you lose a lot more than you gain (imo the archetype would be much more appealing, albeit still kind of bad, if diviners and occultists could take it just because the hard pivot would be interesting).

But if you don't care too much about those other spells anyways, you might be interested in the alt focus spells and feats. The list is noticeably better post-remaster with a handful of old spells getting elemental flair added to them, though the core issues still remain.

... Not counting electric spells is a big bummer tho, feel like lightning bolt should be iconic tool for an elementalist but they aren't allowed to cast it.

Also for some reason Paizo never gave Witches, Magi, or Summoners a focus spell adjustment option so keep in mind you don't get all the options with them.


ElementalofCuteness wrote:
How does it benefit Arcane casters if I may ask?

For wizards it gives better Focus Spells but for arcane sorcerers, magus and witches it gives nothing. But you may ask to your GM if it allows to get the elementalist focus spells with the archetype to these classes/subclasses once that this won't break the game and will make it useful.

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