| ElementalofCuteness |
They train you in skills and gives you Additional Lore your Ancestry but they say if you are Automatically trained you get another skill, does this mean if you chose it as a class trained skill you do not get another training in a different skill compaired to the Multiclass Dedication now?It seems more like a step backwards for the Ancestry Lore feats.
| PossibleCabbage |
Is this a question about order of operations? Since you'd choose "Dwarf Lore" in step 3 of your Dwarven Cleric but wouldn't choose "Cleric" until step 5 and both train you in religion.
I think RAI, you're supposed to be refunded one skill training that way. Since the "building a character" section is more of a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules. I don't see a reason a player could not start out by saying "I'm going to play a Cleric" then choosing an Ancestry and Background afterwards, like that doesn't seem proscripted by rule.
| Finoan |
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The order of character creation has always been flexible.
The steps of character creation are presented in a suggested order, but you can complete them in whatever order you prefer.
That sentence still exists in Player Core too, though I can't link to it currently.
And anything that can be fixed with Retraining shouldn't have been a problem in the first place.
| ElementalofCuteness |
Example
GOBLIN LORE FEAT 1
GOBLIN
You’ve picked up skills and tales from your goblin
community. You gain the trained proficiency rank in Nature
and Stealth. If you would automatically become trained
in one of those skills (from your background or class, for
example), you instead become trained in a skill of your
choice.
You also gain the Additional Lore general feat for Goblin Lore.
Vs
ROGUE DEDICATION FEAT 2
ARCHETYPE DEDICATION MULTICLASS
Prerequisites Dexterity +2
You gain a skill feat and the rogue’s surprise attack class
feature (page 167). You become trained in light armor. In
addition, you become trained in Stealth or Thievery plus one
skill of your choice; if you are already trained in both Stealth
and Thievery, you become trained in an additional skill of
your choice. You become trained in rogue class DC.
One says Automatically trained in (Goblin Lore) Vs if you are trained in both Stealth and Thievery you get to choose another skill to be trained in. So if you choose a Lore Ancestry Feat past level 1, do you lose the "Get 1 more skill training because you are already trained in X skill because you chose it at level 1 and not level 5?"
| Finoan |
Yes. Since you are trained in Stealth and Thievery, then when you take Goblin Lore at level 5:
If you would automatically become trained in one of those skills ..., you instead become trained in a skill of your choice.
The examples that they give are just examples. Not an exhaustive list of all possibilities. Being trained automatically in Stealth and Thievery from Rogue Dedication is still being trained automatically.
An example of not being trained automatically is if you use your free skill boost at level 2 to become Trained in Stealth and then take Goblin Lore at level 5. You didn't get trained automatically, so you just have redundant Trained proficiency in Stealth ... until you take the downtime to retrain your level 2 skill boost to something else. Because you can do that when you don't get your skill proficiencies granted automatically from a feat.
That wording in these types of feats is to prevent you from being locked into having reduntant skill proficiencies and having no recourse to fix it.