Elven Branched Spear builds any good?

[Taz'Raul]

In PF1 I played an elven fighter who was high in dex, used an elven branched spear and had elven training, combat patrol, and combat reflexes to focus primarily in attacks of opportunity, tripping or slowing down a foe with wolf stance. Very battle field control, with attrition. A very 'come at me' build.

There have been talks about having that character return in a pf2e campaign, but I don't see any decent feats or builds that bring them into the same line as the previous build. I see lunge and lunging stance to get additional reach. And impassible wall stance, but that relies on crits to stop an enemy. And nearly every dex based, duelisty ability seems to require a 1 handed weapon.

Has anyone come across any good dex-reach builds yet in this game? I seem to be better suited just taking a one handed finesse weapon, I'll lose 5ft of reach, but gain access to a ton of feats that aren't locked out by my weapon choice.

[The Raven Black]

There are 1-handed weapons with Finesse and Reach. Such as the Whip. Which also lets you trip with it thanks to the Trip trait.

[shroudb]

Keep in mind that Trips, Grapples, and etc maneuvers will still be based on Str even if you use a finesse weapon.

[masda_gib]

You could make it a Thief Rogue since it's a finesse weapon. There are some Trip feats for Rogue and you could take Fighter dedication for AoO later.

[aobst128]

It's a good contender for the staff acrobat archetype which is great for tripping and moving around using your spear.

[Dragonhearthx]

There's also the "Dancer's Spear" which would give you backswing and sweep for more than 1 attack. Bladed scarf has trip built into it, if you have uncommon weapons.

[breithauptclan]

Taz'Raul wrote:

In PF1 I played an elven fighter who was high in dex, used an elven branched spear and had elven training, combat patrol, and combat reflexes to focus primarily in attacks of opportunity, tripping or slowing down a foe with wolf stance. Very battle field control, with attrition. A very 'come at me' build.

There have been talks about having that character return in a pf2e campaign, but I don't see any decent feats or builds that bring them into the same line as the previous build. I see lunge and lunging stance to get additional reach. And impassible wall stance, but that relies on crits to stop an enemy.

Requiring crits in order to disrupt actions is simply a balance point of PF2. You won't find much of anything that will disrupt on a regular success.

For the build you are looking at, I would say Elf ancestry Monk with Monastic Weaponry, Ancestral Weaponry, Staff Acrobat archetype, and Stand Still.

Without Free Archetype you can get all of that by level 6. With Free Archetype you have it at level 4.

Fighter with Staff Acrobat would also work fairly well. Reactive Strike (Attack of Opportunity) doesn't disrupt move actions - only manipulate actions.

[Ectar]

breithauptclan wrote:

Requiring crits in order to disrupt actions is simply a balance point of PF2. You won't find much of anything that will disrupt on a regular success.

Unless you're a Paragon Weapon Thaumaturge.

[Dragonhearthx]

breithauptclan wrote:

For the build you are looking at, I would say Elf ancestry Monk with Monastic Weaponry, Ancestral Weaponry, Staff Acrobat archetype, and Stand Still.

Without Free Archetype you can get all of that by level 6. With Free Archetype you have it at level 4.

Fighter with Staff Acrobat would also work fairly well. Reactive Strike (Attack of Opportunity) doesn't disrupt move actions - only manipulate actions.

The big problem with getter staff acrobat as a free archetype is that you are kinda forced to use a bo staff or a war lance past level 10. Due to the feat that's there. [Unless you just want to treat it as a DOA feat] You can go grab another dedication by that time but it seems kind of a waste.

[breithauptclan]

Ectar wrote:

breithauptclan wrote:

Requiring crits in order to disrupt actions is simply a balance point of PF2. You won't find much of anything that will disrupt on a regular success.

Unless you're a Paragon Weapon Thaumaturge.

True. There aren't none available. But there are very, very few.

Ectar wrote:

You can go grab another dedication by that time but it seems kind of a waste.

Not sure why that is a waste. There are a lot of other good archetypes to go get.

[Dragonhearthx]

breithauptclan wrote:

Ectar wrote:

breithauptclan wrote:

Requiring crits in order to disrupt actions is simply a balance point of PF2. You won't find much of anything that will disrupt on a regular success.

Unless you're a Paragon Weapon Thaumaturge.

True. There aren't none available. But there are very, very few.

Ectar wrote:

You can go grab another dedication by that time but it seems kind of a waste.

Not sure why that is a waste. There are a lot of other good archetypes to go get.

because you are probably only going to grab just the one.

[Ectar]

breithauptclan, I didn't say that second thing you're quoting me in.

[breithauptclan]

Ectar wrote:

breithauptclan, I didn't say that second thing you're quoting me in.

Terribly sorry. Yeah, I didn't notice that. Dragonhearthx doesn't have a picture and that threw me off a bit. Apologies.