
Fussings |
Dear Paizo,
Pathfinder is YOUR brand. It is Your I.P. You have had an alternative to the alignment system all along;
The NINE virtue *RUNES*
The NINE sin *RUNES*
The NINE schools of magic
The NINE outer planes
Nine Avistani Deifics of good
Nine Avistani Deifics of evil
The 18 aeon stones
how to write a character's morals and world view:
_Morality: "Good" +"virtue" rune.
Ike Gunterhoff
Human, Male, 19, 6ft 2in, 200 lbs, muscled build, hair: black, eyes: blue.
Faith: "The ladies" a Pantheon of the good goddesses (Desna, Iomedae, Pharasma, Sarenrae, Shelyn)
_Morality: "Evil" +"SIN" rune.
Zeritor Ruebringer
ORC, Male, 39, 7ft 8in, 500 lbs, Heavily muscled, Hair: Clay grey, Eyes: glowing red.
Faith: Tar'Baphon - for how else does one return from death as an immortal?
Bring runes to the FOREFRONT, incorporate them into game design, game accessories, and more!

QuidEst |
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I'm not really seeing runes adding anything here. Are you suggesting tagging NPCs with their biggest virtue and/or sin...? There aren't nine of each of those in the setting, just seven. (The Thassilonians didn't really respect Divination very much, and "universal" isn't a school with an associated rune/sin/virtue.) And there are twenty aeon stones, not counting dull grey.
I'd suggest this as a solid basis for a Thaumaturge character (with their nine potential implements and the class working well with obscure or even inaccurate connections and patterns), but I don't think that it fills in for alignment.

Fussings |
I'm not really seeing runes adding anything here. Are you suggesting tagging NPCs with their biggest virtue and/or sin...? I'd suggest this as a solid basis for a Thaumaturge character (with their nine potential implements and the class working well with obscure or even inaccurate connections and patterns), but I don't think that it fills in for alignment.
Replying to you.
YES! for example:Abadar "Good" +diligence rune. (ethics and hard work pays off!)
Shelyn "Good" +Love rune. (exclusive commitment to surrender to one)
Sarenrae "Good" +Mercy rune. (That what is wrong is to be corrected)
Iomedae "Good" +Valor rune. (strive to never fail in your oaths)
Pharasma "Good" +Judgement rune. (to award the good and punish the wicked)
Desna "Good" +voyage rune. (to witness the glory of the creator) (divination school?)
Kurgess "Good" +Charity rune. (to serve others through action)
Iori "Good" +Temperance rune. (regimented practice, disciplined training, wise discernment of the truth)
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Rovagug "Evil" +Gluttony rune. (*Eats everything)
Norgorber "Evil" +Greed rune. (*It is not enough to have, one must take)
Milli/acecheck(Spell?) "Evil" +Murder rune (*revolution is far too easy when you just "Silence" the opposition. Argument and debate is not allowed, because facts might hurt fewlings)
Calistria "evil" +Lust rune (Lust, capriciousness, vengeance; short term thinking, hedonism? these acts feel great! All along, on the inside you rot.)
"AzmoDan" "Evil" +Liar (deceit as a path to power)
You may have other ideas, and other opinions regarding the above descriptions. That's beside the point. The purpose is to replace alignment with the Virtue and Sin runes!
This can also work for the Pantheon!
This can also work for the outer planes!
This can also work for the schools of magic!
And yes,
This can also work for the thaumaturge!
********not really on this topic***********
I am well aware that there are currently only "Seven deadly sins" and
"Seven holy virtues". I am well aware that the rune lords didn't appreciate divination nor collective study of all arcane magic as a whole (universal).
twenty one aeon stones? oops, I have miscounted.
The pathfinder 2e runes (sins and virtues)
The seven sins are:
Envy, Lust, Sloth, Greed, Gluttony, Pride, Wrath
The seven virtues are:
Love, charity, zeal, generosity, temperance, humility, kindness
Now, we can create two more sin runes and two more virtue runes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues
The lists offered here sometimes contain one or the other addition that the other lists do not include (though dictionary meanings may overlap) the primary effort is to find a single word which offers a unique definition of something that is good or something that is evil and apply it!

breithauptclan |
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There is nothing wrong with Homebrew. The idea is reasonable. But it isn't something that exists in the current rules, and it isn't something that the rules are likely to be changed to. So the rules forum really isn't the place for it.
So use the First Rule. You don't need to convince the Paizo development team that your idea is good. Or the entire internet - or at least the subset of them that are on these forums.
You just need to convince the people that you play with. So if you run your ideas by people who are on the Homebrew subforum here, you can get better advice and suggestions for how to implement and balance your idea so that it works well.
Here on the rules subforum all you are likely to get are people saying that this isn't how the rules run, it isn't likely to be implemented, and they wouldn't run the game that way. Which isn't what you are looking for.

QuidEst |
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Look, you're posting a bunch of suggestions, but you're doing it in the section for discussing existing rules. (Presumably because you saw somebody else make the same mistake; that's entirely understandable for somebody new to the forums.) If you post it in the section for people discussing existing rules, you will get people showing up to discuss why this wouldn't fit with existing rules.
If you post it in homebrew, you'll get more people coming to discuss its merits as a hypothetical rule.
If you post it as something you want to persuade Paizo to adopt, well... you're going to get everybody's opinion on whether or not Paizo should adopt it.

Fussings |
Look, you're posting a bunch of suggestions, but you're doing it in the section for discussing existing rules. (Presumably because you saw somebody else make the same mistake; that's entirely understandable for somebody new to the forums.) If you post it in the section for people discussing existing rules, you will get people showing up to discuss why this wouldn't fit with existing rules.
If you post it in homebrew, you'll get more people coming to discuss its merits as a hypothetical rule.
If you post it as something you want to persuade Paizo to adopt, well... you're going to get everybody's opinion on whether or not Paizo should adopt it.
okay. I did see a Suggestion/request thread in this forum. the request regarding minor sensory cantrips. I thought that was a suggestion thread and shared ideas there.
Then five of my posts where deleted with the claimed justification being; that I was off topic.
So I started my own threads.
Seeing as how I had some comments (more than one topic) on the subject matter of my ideas: both for and against. it seemed like this was the place to post such requests/suggestions.
being told that I am better off pounding sand somewhere else and not having anything to say about my ideas, yeah. that came off as hostility.

breithauptclan |
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let's try to avoid that in the future. yes?
Yes. I spend a great deal of effort trying to avoid misunderstandings. Sometimes it even works.
Another bit of information about these forums is that people often don't duplicate information. So if one person says something and 30 people agree with it, those 30 people are not always going to jump in just to say that they agree. If they jump in to the conversation, it will be to add something that hasn't already been said. Even if that ends up being only one sentence.

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I've removed several posts that don't belong on our message boards (or branches from said messages) and moved this discussion to the Homebrew and House Rules forum.
As always, follow the Golden Rule and Be Awesome to One Another and read the Community Guidelines if you have questions about what is allowed.
Good Gaming!
-Jim

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Having just seen this in the Homebrew forum... I think it's a neat idea. If you packaged it up into a 1-pager and made it easy to digest, I think it'd be a fun little thing.
I'm not sure about the nitty gritty like the numbers of each thing, and how it's supposed to translate to and from alignment precisely, but it seems like you have a decent idea.